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You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!You only have a fallacy of false cause. It clouds your judgment.Skyscrapers cover a lot of area.
Right..and there might be a few minutes a day when any ONE outside wall is directly in line with the sun, and even then, the glass walls are vertical...that means that they aren't angled to take advantage of incoming sunlight...and you are talking about sky scrapers which tend to cluster in groups which would then put the lower half of the structure in semi permanent shade.
It is clear that whoever has thought about this, hasn't put much actual thought into it....the only place where such buildings might be useful is far north where the sun is never high in the sky...that would allow the vertical angle of the glass to capture more sunlight...of course, that far north, solar becomes very inefficient.
In short..bad idea...unworkable..but I am sure than some green with more money than sense will actually build the thing and prove to the rest of the world that it doesn't work.
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!You only have a fallacy of false cause. It clouds your judgment.Skyscrapers cover a lot of area.
Right..and there might be a few minutes a day when any ONE outside wall is directly in line with the sun, and even then, the glass walls are vertical...that means that they aren't angled to take advantage of incoming sunlight...and you are talking about sky scrapers which tend to cluster in groups which would then put the lower half of the structure in semi permanent shade.
It is clear that whoever has thought about this, hasn't put much actual thought into it....the only place where such buildings might be useful is far north where the sun is never high in the sky...that would allow the vertical angle of the glass to capture more sunlight...of course, that far north, solar becomes very inefficient.
In short..bad idea...unworkable..but I am sure than some green with more money than sense will actually build the thing and prove to the rest of the world that it doesn't work.
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant... Just like Old Crock..lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!You only have a fallacy of false cause. It clouds your judgment.Right..and there might be a few minutes a day when any ONE outside wall is directly in line with the sun, and even then, the glass walls are vertical...that means that they aren't angled to take advantage of incoming sunlight...and you are talking about sky scrapers which tend to cluster in groups which would then put the lower half of the structure in semi permanent shade.
It is clear that whoever has thought about this, hasn't put much actual thought into it....the only place where such buildings might be useful is far north where the sun is never high in the sky...that would allow the vertical angle of the glass to capture more sunlight...of course, that far north, solar becomes very inefficient.
In short..bad idea...unworkable..but I am sure than some green with more money than sense will actually build the thing and prove to the rest of the world that it doesn't work.
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!You only have a fallacy of false cause. It clouds your judgment.
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
The field of astronomy has experienced, "exponential gains from efficiencies", from new technologies. So will the solar energy sector.Same here; links, or it didn't happen:That was then, This is now:I graduated college with a degree in architectural design in 1976. At that time solar energy was the next "big thing". Easy peasy.
That was 41 years ago.
Mark
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
I'll wait until we have real proof. I don't know your age, but I have heard this "now" stuff for 40 years.
Almost every year, I have heard that they have a cure for diabetes, and its still not here.
Until it happens, I will remain unconvinced.
Mark
Emerging Technologies in Solar Power Market Report 2017-2027
Forecasts are not what happened. Its projection. Hell, in the 1980's Photovoltaic shingles were the next new thing, and your link shows that Photovoltaic is STILL being forecast.
Mark
There is a cure for Type 2 diabetes, but then it requires the person with it, to stop eating like a pig. But then that is called FAT SHAMING, and the political correct crowd, mostly candidate of the type 2, don't want to have to stop being gluttonous, because then the EBT cards that the liberals are willing to give will come to an end.That was then, This is now:Advances in technologies will make this a moot point. There is already, solar windows technologies that can upgrade current windows on any building or skyscraper.An exceedingly long read here but absolutely fatal to advocates of wind and solar. This shit is even far more expensive than I thought!!! Has a future but will remain a fringe energy source like Ive been saying for 20 years.
Article goes deeply into the mega-costs of "intermittent" renewables........something I knew little about before reading this article. Didn't know almost all renewable energy is intermittent.Also.....everything you see in here from the climate crusaders on pricing does not include any mention of projections on future increase in subsidies as the pricing increases ( due to staggering costs of building transmission lines for example )
Renewable energy is a scam and always has been as scam...........and most interesting is from this article, the reduction of CO2 has been vastly overstated by advocates of renewables!!
There may be some cases where intermittent renewables are helpful additions without buffering (especially when the current fuel is oil, and wind or solar can help reduce fuel usage), but there are likely to be many other instances where the costs involved greatly exceed the benefits gained.
If we look at recently published information about how much intermittent electricity is being added to the electric grid, the amounts are surprisingly small. Overall, worldwide, the amount of electricity generated by a combination of wind and solar (nearly all of it intermittent) was 5.2% in 2016. On an area by area basis, the percentages of wind and solar are as shown in Figure 1.
http://www.theenergycollective.com/gail-tverberg/2409208/researchers-underestimating-cost-wind-solar
I graduated college with a degree in architectural design in 1976. At that time solar energy was the next "big thing". Easy peasy.
That was 41 years ago.
Mark
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
I'll wait until we have real proof. I don't know your age, but I have heard this "now" stuff for 40 years.
Almost every year, I have heard that they have a cure for diabetes, and its still not here.
Until it happens, I will remain unconvinced.
Mark
Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.Let me put this in your language and age ability to understand... IT WON'T FUCKING WORK YOU MORON!!
Angle of incidence is greater than 15 deg, all of the time, which means your photo cell will only receive about 1/100 of its 90 deg optimal operating requirement. its output would them be just .35 amps @ 12 volts (4.2 watts) for a panel rated at 350 watts @ 12 volts...
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
Irrelevant since technology is improving all the time. What was the efficiency, just a few years ago.Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
Here is the important part you failed to see because you have no clue about how or why they work..From your own links..
"The prototype TLSC currently has an efficiency of around 1%."
What is 1% of 0.15? PV Cells at 45-90 deg to downwelling radiation have about 15% efficiency. Your such an idiot...
Back in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”
Dear Mark,The field of astronomy has experienced, "exponential gains from efficiencies", from new technologies. So will the solar energy sector.Same here; links, or it didn't happen:That was then, This is now:
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
I'll wait until we have real proof. I don't know your age, but I have heard this "now" stuff for 40 years.
Almost every year, I have heard that they have a cure for diabetes, and its still not here.
Until it happens, I will remain unconvinced.
Mark
Emerging Technologies in Solar Power Market Report 2017-2027
Forecasts are not what happened. Its projection. Hell, in the 1980's Photovoltaic shingles were the next new thing, and your link shows that Photovoltaic is STILL being forecast.
Mark
Maybe. But there are limits to technology. Trying to squeeze more energy out of something might not work. If it did, cars would be getting 500 mpg today.
Mark
Back in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..You simply don't understand economies of scale. That is just one building.
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
They were saying the same things in 1980. And 1990. And 2000. The telling word in your links is "could".
Mark
You really are an ignorant dupe...Irrelevant since technology is improving all the time. What was the efficiency, just a few years ago.Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
Here is the important part you failed to see because you have no clue about how or why they work..From your own links..
"The prototype TLSC currently has an efficiency of around 1%."
What is 1% of 0.15? PV Cells at 45-90 deg to downwelling radiation have about 15% efficiency. Your such an idiot...
Back in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”
WOWBack in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?You don't know how a photovoltaic cell works and why it would take billions of windows to get what a properly placed PV array would... You do not understand Ohms law or power distribution issues..
My original statement stands.. Your a fucking moron..
How do Photovoltaics Work? | Science Mission Directorate
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
They were saying the same things in 1980. And 1990. And 2000. The telling word in your links is "could".
Mark
Tell me again, what market is selling this? this is not reality..Dear Mark,The field of astronomy has experienced, "exponential gains from efficiencies", from new technologies. So will the solar energy sector.Same here; links, or it didn't happen:I'll wait until we have real proof. I don't know your age, but I have heard this "now" stuff for 40 years.
Almost every year, I have heard that they have a cure for diabetes, and its still not here.
Until it happens, I will remain unconvinced.
Mark
Emerging Technologies in Solar Power Market Report 2017-2027
Forecasts are not what happened. Its projection. Hell, in the 1980's Photovoltaic shingles were the next new thing, and your link shows that Photovoltaic is STILL being forecast.
Mark
Maybe. But there are limits to technology. Trying to squeeze more energy out of something might not work. If it did, cars would be getting 500 mpg today.
Mark
We are discussing market based realities, not right wing fantasy.
There is no limit to high a (stock) market can go.
What part of economies of scale, do you not understand?You really are an ignorant dupe...Irrelevant since technology is improving all the time. What was the efficiency, just a few years ago.Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
Here is the important part you failed to see because you have no clue about how or why they work..From your own links..
"The prototype TLSC currently has an efficiency of around 1%."
What is 1% of 0.15? PV Cells at 45-90 deg to downwelling radiation have about 15% efficiency. Your such an idiot...
Back in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”
Current PV panels average 65-80% of rated capacity for just 4 hours a day and 0-30% the rest of the time.
Solar ABCs:Angle of Incidence Effect on Photovoltaic Modules
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which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell
Economy of scale, is an economic term; no wonder the right wing, never gets it.WOWBack in August 2014, researchers at Michigan State University created a fully transparent solar concentrator, which could turn any window or sheet of glass (like your smartphone’s screen) into a photovoltaic solar cell. Unlike other “transparent” solar cells that we’ve reported on in the past, this one really is transparent, as you can see in the photos throughout this story. According to Richard Lunt, who led the research at the time, the team was confident the transparent solar panels can be efficiently deployed in a wide range of settings, from “tall buildings with lots of windows or any kind of mobile device that demands high aesthetic quality like a phone or e-reader.”Nothing but diversion?You have no clue how or why PV cells work.. You are ignorant...lol. You simply don't understand, economies of scale. How many individual windows on that one building?
The technology is improving all the time.
This fully transparent solar cell could make every window and screen a power source - ExtremeTech
Revolutionary new solar windows could generate 50 times more power than conventional photovoltaics
They were saying the same things in 1980. And 1990. And 2000. The telling word in your links is "could".
Mark
With just a 1% rated output as compared with current PV technology... And they said they COULD get as much as 10% in theory... SO this is WORSE than current tech... LOL your such an idiot..
Any given window at any given time.Most buildings are in the no output region due to AOI.
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Anything below about 55 deg AOI has very little output..
