Republicans Unpopular, Just Less So than Democrats

[del]

How much of Obamacare would Barry Goldwater have "compromised" on?

probably very little, but he wouldn't have stomped his feet and had a hissy fit.

he would have worked toward getting as much for his constituents as he could, and come back to fight another day.

 

[Revere]

How much of Obamacare would Barry Goldwater have "compromised" on?

probably very little, but he wouldn't have stomped his feet and had a hissy fit.

he would have worked toward getting as much for his constituents as he could, and come back to fight another day.

An "actual conservative" is first and foremost concerned with bringing home the pork?

 

[Sallow]

"We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"-guess who

the republican party is drowning in the shit of social "conservatives" who wouldn't know actual conservatism if it grew fangs and bit them in the ass.

good luck with the cleansing; i'm sure all 17 of you will be happy.

Tell us what "actual conservatism" is, in your world.

fiscally responsible govt, the ability to compromise, nonactivist foreign policy, staying out of other people's bedrooms for starters.

Well historically..by these standards, lets check the last few "Conservative" Presidents:

Eisenhower:
Fiscal Conservative - Spent money..but wise investments.
Ability to compromise - Worked well with others..yes.
Nonactivist foreign policy - Korea (not really his fault), Iran (whoo boy), Vietnam (well there goes that crazy domino theory). So..no.
Staying out of people's bedrooms - Not sure if this includes stuff like political afflilation but then again, McCarthy wasn't really Eisenhower's fault.
Conclusion: (My Take) Well rounded moderate President.

Nixon:
Fiscal Conservative - Started new agencies like the EPA, Escalted the war in Vietnam and combated inflation with a wage freeze.
Ability to compromise - Worked well with others (when not spying on them).
Nonactivist foreign policy - Knocked over Chile, We all know about Vietnam, bright spot was China. But hardly non-activist.
Staying out of people's bedrooms - You kiddin?
Conclusion: A sociopath that made it into the White House.

Ford:
Fiscal Conservative - Basically curbed domestic spending on social programs.
Ability to compromise - Worked well with others and generally admired by his opposition.
Nonactivist foreign policy - Well no. But not necessarily in a bad way. Integral in helping Israel after they were attacked by an alliance of Arab states. Beefed up funding for Israel's defense.
Staying out of people's bedrooms - Pretty moderate on these issue. Domestically very helpful to people.
Conclusion: A gentleman who healed the nation after a very difficult time.

Reagan:
Fiscal Conservative: This boy broke the bank on brand shiny new weapons systems that didn't work..amoung other things.
Ability to compromise: Worked very well with opponents. Was admired by Democrats.
Nonactivist foreign policy - Secret inventions in South America and deals with the Middle East. Invaded Grenada. Worked extremely well with Gorbachev to fundamentally change the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe
Staying out of people's bedrooms - Pretty moderate.
Conclusion: Wild eyed optimist that got things wrong domestically..but did some extraordinary things internationally.

Bush I:
Fiscal Conservative - Spent money like it was going out of style..but with some wise investments. Had to raise taxes despite an election promise.
Ability to compromise - Definitely worked well with his opponents.
Nonactivist foreign policy - Interventions in Central America and the Middle East. Supported limited and effective military action.
Staying out of people's bedrooms - Hmm..not so much.
Conclusion: Level headed pragmatist that made hard decisions about the economy which paid off after he left office.

Bush II:
Fiscal Conservative - Unfunded tax cut for the wealthy, Started two wars, Formed a brand spanking new department and expensive new unfunded benefit.
Ability to compromise - In a word: No.
Nonactivist foreign policy - If you look in the dictionary for "Activist foreign policy" you see Bush's picture. Crazy new protocol: The Bush Doctrine - Strike first, ask questions later.
Staying out of people's bedrooms - Does wiretapping count?
Conclusion: Wholly not suited for the job. Did a great deal of damage both domestically and internationally.

 

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How much of Obamacare would Barry Goldwater have "compromised" on?

probably very little, but he wouldn't have stomped his feet and had a hissy fit.

he would have worked toward getting as much for his constituents as he could, and come back to fight another day.

An "actual conservative" is first and foremost concerned with bringing home the pork?

what pork? is fighting to eliminate as much of obamacare as possible, bringing home pork?

what color is the sky on your native planet?

 

[Sallow]

probably very little, but he wouldn't have stomped his feet and had a hissy fit.

he would have worked toward getting as much for his constituents as he could, and come back to fight another day.

An "actual conservative" is first and foremost concerned with bringing home the pork?

what pork? is fighting to eliminate as much of obamacare as possible, bringing home pork?

what color is the sky on your native planet?

Most congress members, well, the ones worth their salt, are concerned about bringing home money for various projects in their home state. Not necessarily a bad thing..

But to the other states..that's "bringing home the bacon" or pork.

 

[Revere]

probably very little, but he wouldn't have stomped his feet and had a hissy fit.

he would have worked toward getting as much for his constituents as he could, and come back to fight another day.

An "actual conservative" is first and foremost concerned with bringing home the pork?

what pork? is fighting to eliminate as much of obamacare as possible, bringing home pork?

what color is the sky on your native planet?

What parts of Obamacare do you favor eliminating?

You, know, the parts that are inconsistent with "actual conservatism?"

Or, what parts of Obamacare are acceptable to "actual conservatives?"

 

[del]

An "actual conservative" is first and foremost concerned with bringing home the pork?

what pork? is fighting to eliminate as much of obamacare as possible, bringing home pork?

what color is the sky on your native planet?

What parts of Obamacare do you favor eliminating?

You, know, the parts that are inconsistent with "actual conservatism?"

Or, what parts of Obamacare are acceptable to "actual conservatives?"

i'd dump the whole thing.

keep swinging

 

[Toro]

How much of Obamacare would Barry Goldwater have "compromised" on?

None. But that's not the point.

When Goldwater said that "One day, my party will see me as a liberal" he was talking about social issues. He saw the rise of the religious right in his party. He was not a social conservative. He was a libertarian. Social conservatives have no problem using the power of the state to impose their version of social morality on others. Goldwater supported gay rights, for example. So when Small Tent Republicans say they are going to "purge the RINOs" "RINO" include those who aren't in lock-step with the hardcore conservative ideologues of all stripes.

I often wonder whether or not the Small Tent Republicans who want to purge the "RINOs" have any clue about business. They claim to be all for business, but they go about making their product unappealing to more and more people. Business wants to sell its product to as many people as possible, not to a select few who assiduously toe the party line.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

The kids in college should ask that liberal professor what he makes a year, and then learn why many can't afford a higher education. The better schools are making it cost prohibitive for lower and middle income families to obtain the same education as the rich. Plus, remember, colleges and universities are NOT big business, so they get tax breaks no other corporation gets............

That needs to be reviewed, along with so-called "non-profit" salaries.