Republicans' laughable/despicable hypocrisy on ACA

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

You're the one who supports a welfare state, dipshit.

And programs to help people off welfare, like ACA and training and infrastructure/jobs bills, DUMBASS CHUMP. lol

If those programs are so successful why are millions of people still on welfare you hater poop?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Of course greedy idiot a-hole megarich Pubs

Of the top ten wealthiest members of Congress eight are Democrats ya dumb hater poop.

RollCall.com - Wealth of Congress

Yeah, and they fight for higher taxes on themselves and programs to help the nonrich help themselves and the country, Pub dupe. See sig.

So why are they the very ones getting richer while there are a record number of people on public assistance you hater poop?

 

[francoHFW]

Of course greedy idiot a-hole megarich Pubs

Of the top ten wealthiest members of Congress eight are Democrats ya dumb hater poop.

RollCall.com - Wealth of Congress

Yeah, and they fight for higher taxes on themselves and programs to help the nonrich help themselves and the country, Pub dupe. See sig.

So why are they the very ones getting richer while there are a record number of people on public assistance you hater poop?

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down. Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

 

[francoHFW]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

What's good a tax cut going to do the non-rich if they can't get a job you poopy dunder blunder head?

 

[FA_Q2]

read part way and got bored b/c I know this is another; Reps should pay for it but not use it and leave their states to suffer for it so we can bitch about them letting people suffer thread


so predictable it's boring

Second post and you already nailed the OP to the wall.
Bitching that they are participating in a program that the democrats set up and forced them to pay for - what an asinine and idiotic complaint.

 

[emilynghiem]

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

francoHFW
Why force health care through govt and then have to force more policies to deal with people not paying. That makes it worse.

Why not solve the problems so effectively that ppl want the programs to work so they want to pay. Nobody has to force ppl to pay more to go to colleges they want to attend because it benefits them. Why cant health care be set up through medical training programs that work so cost effectively people naturally support education and services that cover the needs sustainably.

Did it ever occur to you there might be a better way? And that's why ppl on both left and right object to ACA that goes against what both sides want, and violates beliefs of both prochoice and prolife who dont agree to be governed under the policies or creeds of the other. if all the objectors united this would never have passed or lasted. Its just that the opposition was divided, that people can blame the other for passing it. Everyone is getting screwed, when we could unite and insist the politicians and parties who passed this pay for it without taking rights freedom liberty or taxes from citizens by mandate. But give us free choice to participate to make it constitutional. And the extra costs are paid by the political parties and leaders who passed it. Not the taxpayers who didnt consent to this business contract with insurance companies.

 

[chikenwing]

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

Yep you just proved you are the dumbest poster today,Obama care has created a shit ton of more "free Loaders"

 

[emilynghiem]

H

Republicans are blatantly profiting off of ObamaCare while also implementing some of its provisions:.:

Several Republican governors likely to run for president have secured hundreds millions of dollars under Obamacare while working to dismantle the healthcare law, according to a Reuters review of federal spending records.

Governors Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Chris Christie of New Jersey, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and former Texas Governor Rick Perry, all staunch opponents of President Barack Obama's 2010 Affordable Care Act, have collectively applied for and won at least $352 million through grant programs set up by the law, federal records show.

The action is at odds with the public stance of all four potential candidates, who have blasted the law as an unprecedented expansion of government and called for its repeal.

Now of course, there is going to be an argument about this defending these republicans on this forum but learn the facts first okay?. These candidates' aids - not the the candidates themselves - but aids to the candidiates made a statement in defense of their bosses. Obviously the candidates themselves are too much of pussies to make their own statements.

Aides told Reuters they saw no contradiction in applying for these grants while criticizing the law as a whole.

"It's critically important that we continue these services for our citizens," said Walker spokeswoman Laurel Patrick. "Receiving federal grants that existed prior to the ACA is not the same as participating in the core elements of the ACA."

Of course, that is complete bullshit, These candidates are profiting off both programs before the law was implemented AND programs created by ObamaCare:

Walker's administration has accepted at least $69 million through Affordable Care Act grant programs, according to a Reuters analysis - a figure that does not include programs that the U.S. Health and Human Services Department says existed before the law took effect. It also excludes grants that went to state universities or other entities not directly under Walker's control.

In Texas, Perry took in at least $148 million in Obamacare grants while refusing money tied to the insurance exchange and the Medicaid expansion. He stepped down as governor in January

.

"Governor Perry has long called for flexibility from the federal government so the states can implement health care programs in the best interests of their citizens," spokeswoman Lucy Nashed said.

In New Jersey, Christie has not set up an exchange but has accepted the Medicaid expansion on the grounds that it will help low-income residents and hospitals in his state. His administration has secured at least $75 million in grant money, on top of the additional Medicaid dollars.

"The governor has said he will make decisions with respect to the law that are in the best interest of New Jerseyans," spokesman Kevin Roberts said.

Exclusive Republican White House hopefuls attack Obamacare but take money Reuters

Hi Billy000
What's sad is the Democrats who rallied against contested war spending (just to exploit citizen outrage to get campaign financing to get into.office and get Bush out) but then continue to spend and waste.

When those same trillions if demanded in credits back to taxpayers for unathorized war contracts could pay for health care reforms and rebuilding programs in both countries Iraq and US whose economies were affected.

Where are the Democrats to ask for accountability? Are they equally just exploiting that for political benefits while taxpayers pay more and more while nothing gets fixed that was being protested

Aren't both left and right equally guilty of taking advantage while dumping costs on taxpayers.

 

[chikenwing]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

Try this one ya putz,which tax bracket enjoyed the largest cut,in 2003,who benefited the most?

 

[francoHFW]

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

francoHFW
Why force health care through govt and then have to force more policies to deal with people not paying. That makes it worse.

Why not solve the problems so effectively that ppl want the programs to work so they want to pay. Nobody has to force ppl to pay more to go to colleges they want to attend because it benefits them. Why cant health care be set up through medical training programs that work so cost effectively people naturally support education and services that cover the needs sustainably.

Did it ever occur to you there might be a better way? And that's why ppl on both left and right object to ACA that goes against what both sides want, and violates beliefs of both prochoice and prolife who dont agree to be governed under the policies or creeds of the other. if all the objectors united this would never have passed or lasted. Its just that the opposition was divided, that people can blame the other for passing it. Everyone is getting screwed, when we could unite and insist the politicians and parties who passed this pay for it without taking rights freedom liberty or taxes from citizens by mandate. But give us free choice to participate to make it constitutional. And the extra costs are paid by the political parties and leaders who passed it. Not the taxpayers who didnt consent to this business contract with insurance companies.

The only problem is misinformation and ignorance. Get your affordable health care.

 

[francoHFW]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

Try this one ya putz,which tax bracket enjoyed the largest cut,in 2003,who benefited the most?

The top 0.1%, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

H

Republicans are blatantly profiting off of ObamaCare while also implementing some of its provisions:.:

Several Republican governors likely to run for president have secured hundreds millions of dollars under Obamacare while working to dismantle the healthcare law, according to a Reuters review of federal spending records.

Governors Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Chris Christie of New Jersey, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and former Texas Governor Rick Perry, all staunch opponents of President Barack Obama's 2010 Affordable Care Act, have collectively applied for and won at least $352 million through grant programs set up by the law, federal records show.

The action is at odds with the public stance of all four potential candidates, who have blasted the law as an unprecedented expansion of government and called for its repeal.

Now of course, there is going to be an argument about this defending these republicans on this forum but learn the facts first okay?. These candidates' aids - not the the candidates themselves - but aids to the candidiates made a statement in defense of their bosses. Obviously the candidates themselves are too much of pussies to make their own statements.

Aides told Reuters they saw no contradiction in applying for these grants while criticizing the law as a whole.

"It's critically important that we continue these services for our citizens," said Walker spokeswoman Laurel Patrick. "Receiving federal grants that existed prior to the ACA is not the same as participating in the core elements of the ACA."

Of course, that is complete bullshit, These candidates are profiting off both programs before the law was implemented AND programs created by ObamaCare:

Walker's administration has accepted at least $69 million through Affordable Care Act grant programs, according to a Reuters analysis - a figure that does not include programs that the U.S. Health and Human Services Department says existed before the law took effect. It also excludes grants that went to state universities or other entities not directly under Walker's control.

In Texas, Perry took in at least $148 million in Obamacare grants while refusing money tied to the insurance exchange and the Medicaid expansion. He stepped down as governor in January

.

"Governor Perry has long called for flexibility from the federal government so the states can implement health care programs in the best interests of their citizens," spokeswoman Lucy Nashed said.

In New Jersey, Christie has not set up an exchange but has accepted the Medicaid expansion on the grounds that it will help low-income residents and hospitals in his state. His administration has secured at least $75 million in grant money, on top of the additional Medicaid dollars.

"The governor has said he will make decisions with respect to the law that are in the best interest of New Jerseyans," spokesman Kevin Roberts said.

Exclusive Republican White House hopefuls attack Obamacare but take money Reuters

Hi Billy000
What's sad is the Democrats who rallied against contested war spending (just to exploit citizen outrage to get campaign financing to get into.office and get Bush out) but then continue to spend and waste.

When those same trillions if demanded in credits back to taxpayers for unathorized war contracts could pay for health care reforms and rebuilding programs in both countries Iraq and US whose economies were affected.

Where are the Democrats to ask for accountability? Are they equally just exploiting that for political benefits while taxpayers pay more and more while nothing gets fixed that was being protested

Aren't both left and right equally guilty of taking advantage while dumping costs on taxpayers.

No way. See sig.

 

[emilynghiem]

You're so gd stupid. To get health care, sick people and people with pre-existing contions had to quit their jobs and go on welfare to get care. Also, with Pub scam insurance, 500k people year WITH insurance went bankrupt and lost everything. Change the gd channel and learn something. And 45k people a year DYING.

So let me get this right, francoHFW
in order to regulate insurance companies, first you force every citizen in the nation to buy insurance, as a bribe to corporate
Insurance lobbies to pass regulations where they pass those expenses to the taxpayers anyway.

Sounds like the deal to reorganize house loans to prevent Muslims from paying usury -- by increasing the base cost so much the total cost divided over monthly payments still comes out to the same as paying less per month plus the interest added,

franco you just shifted the cost back to the public, where the insurance companies still cover their costs. But you forget that similar to the idea of selling out free choice to lobbies who demand prolife laws be mandated, you've SOLD OUT the freedom of the public to invest in building health care directly through medical programs, charity, and paying for insurance by FREE Choice which is different. i explain the same to prolife ppl that its more important to preserve Free Choice and to make the right decisions without forcing it by law; and now youre saying the opposite? Its better to give up free choice to govt making everyone buy insurance? you would sell freedom to corporate lobbies over insurance regulations, when the same liberals would even risk the harm to babies and mothers by keeping the choice of abortion free from govt control or penalty! But then penalize citizens over insurance when it causes no harm to pay other ways. How is refusing govt mandates any more harmful than choosing abortion which remains unpenalized as a FREE CHOICE. Why regulate one but defend the other, really?

I would not want govt telling me what kind of house i have to buy to insure all ppl have a house. Having an address is more important for voting rights than buying insurance which still doesnt guarantee you can pay the rest of the costs. Its not 100% coverage and yet its mandated for 100% of the population; therefore the other choices for covering the rest, including charity, paying health care costs directly, and developing service providers and facilities ARE STILL NEEDED in addition to insurance yet these other choices are FINED. Why fine ppl fir investing in the other ways of providing health care when these are still needed? Would you let politicians pass a bill making Christian spiritual healing requiredfor all citizens to cut costs, save lives and reserve more resources to serve broader numbers of the population by increased prevention and cure? Just because it saves money and lives can you justify a federal law making it mandatory for the public? Why are secular beliefs in right to health fair to impose on religious ppl of other beliefs, while religious beliefs in right to life cant be imposed without violating Constitutional free choice to avoid religious imposition by govt ajd discrimination by creed. How is right to govt health care NOT a belief that must remain freely chosen like any other belief?

 

[francoHFW]

You're so gd stupid. To get health care, sick people and people with pre-existing contions had to quit their jobs and go on welfare to get care. Also, with Pub scam insurance, 500k people year WITH insurance went bankrupt and lost everything. Change the gd channel and learn something. And 45k people a year DYING.

So let me get this right, francoHFW
in order to regulate insurance companies, first you force every citizen in the nation to buy insurance, as a bribe to corporate
Insurance lobbies to pass regulations where they pass those expenses to the taxpayers anyway.

Sounds like the deal to reorganize house loans to prevent Muslims from paying usury -- by increasing the base cost so much the total cost divided over monthly payment

The TRANSPARENT COMPETITION in the exchanges bring down the costs. The taxpayers were already paying for that health care- in the stupidest, cruelest way possible. NOW the poorer workers will pay what they can afford, get preventive care, NOT go on welfare to get Medicaid, etc etc. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, Pub dupe.

 

[chikenwing]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

Try this one ya putz,which tax bracket enjoyed the largest cut,in 2003,who benefited the most?

The top 0.1%, dupe.

Bwhahahahah
NOPE try again!

 

[emilynghiem]

You're so gd stupid. To get health care, sick people and people with pre-existing contions had to quit their jobs and go on welfare to get care. Also, with Pub scam insurance, 500k people year WITH insurance went bankrupt and lost everything. Change the gd channel and learn something. And 45k people a year DYING.

Why cant insurance be regulated against fraud without forcing everyone to buy it. Do we regulate car or phone manufacturers by first forcing all citizens to purchase one? Cant you see the profit going to insurance is still taking away resources thatvcould build medical programs directly. Why not invest there directly in developing teaching hospitals clinics and service provisions and leave private insurance as a free choice and business decision not required as it doesnt directly pay for health care and doesnt cover all costs anyway. We still need to reform VA mental health and prison care anyway, so why penalize ppl for the choice of investing directly there instead of buying insurance?

 

[francoHFW]

Because we all still live under Reaganist tax rates and policy, that your greedy idiot megarich Pubs and bought off minions defend to the death. DUH.

This administration raised the top tax bracket. It hasn't done anything to help anyone.

Blame their victims? Well duh...record number earn so little they're eligible for some food stamps, but the amount of MONEY continues to go down.

They're earning nothing at all you dumb hater poop. 93.1 million Americans aren't working. That includes over 12 million blacks (why do you hate brown people) and over 56 million women.

Was a trillion in 2010, now 400 billion- almost the whole deficit BTW, dingbat.

And how has that helped all those people who aren't working and/or on public assistance you big dummy pooper dooper stupid head?

A)Pubs blocked tax cuts on the non-rich, aJOBS ACT, training and ed programs. DUH.

Try this one ya putz,which tax bracket enjoyed the largest cut,in 2003,who benefited the most?

The top 0.1%, dupe.

Bwhahahahah
NOPE try again!

Read something!!

 

[emilynghiem]

You're so gd stupid. To get health care, sick people and people with pre-existing contions had to quit their jobs and go on welfare to get care. Also, with Pub scam insurance, 500k people year WITH insurance went bankrupt and lost everything. Change the gd channel and learn something. And 45k people a year DYING.

So let me get this right, francoHFW
in order to regulate insurance companies, first you force every citizen in the nation to buy insurance, as a bribe to corporate
Insurance lobbies to pass regulations where they pass those expenses to the taxpayers anyway.

Sounds like the deal to reorganize house loans to prevent Muslims from paying usury -- by increasing the base cost so much the total cost divided over monthly payment

The TRANSPARENT COMPETITION in the exchanges bring down the costs. The taxpayers were already paying for that health care- in the stupidest, cruelest way possible. NOW the poorer workers will pay what they can afford, get preventive care, NOT go on welfare to get Medicaid, etc etc. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, Pub dupe.

You're so gd stupid. To get health care, sick people and people with pre-existing contions had to quit their jobs and go on welfare to get care. Also, with Pub scam insurance, 500k people year WITH insurance went bankrupt and lost everything. Change the gd channel and learn something. And 45k people a year DYING.

So let me get this right, francoHFW
in order to regulate insurance companies, first you force every citizen in the nation to buy insurance, as a bribe to corporate
Insurance lobbies to pass regulations where they pass those expenses to the taxpayers anyway.

Sounds like the deal to reorganize house loans to prevent Muslims from paying usury -- by increasing the base cost so much the total cost divided over monthly payment

The TRANSPARENT COMPETITION in the exchanges bring down the costs. The taxpayers were already paying for that health care- in the stupidest, cruelest way possible. NOW the poorer workers will pay what they can afford, get preventive care, NOT go on welfare to get Medicaid, etc etc. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, Pub dupe.

Hi francoHFW thanks for explaining that you want transparency. I believe we can work toward that, but NOT by punishing taxpayers losing liberties who committed no crimes. What about the transparency in costs that law abiding citizens pay for convicts in prison costing us 50K a year each, including medical costs?
Where is the outrage to go after freeloaders there? Clearly there is a power grab involved, using the IRS to go after EASY targets which are working taxpayers who will comply with laws. So that's punishing the wrong ppl, and letting people off the hook who are costing way more. If you compare the 49 billion in medical costs versus what PRISONS spend, there is no comparison as to where our money is wasted that could pay for health care.

1. As for exchanges NO: My coworkers cannot afford the insurance options, and still have to pay the penalties as the only thing they can afford. I have two friends, one liberal prochoice lifelong Democrat who can't afford the cost of insurance and the deductible to get treatment, and one conservative who can't afford to fix his broken arm after he lost his job and his insurance through that. All I could offer them is to do an online gofundme raiser and try to set up microlending to pay these costs. So why would the option of microlending be FINED if it's needed anyway to pay costs that insurance doesn't cover? Especially for people who can't afford this "discounted insurance" you boast about. So out of all that money that is REQUIRED for citizens to pay for INSURANCE (which isn't directly covering health care but is going to private insurance companies) why can't people count as an exemption the money they pay directly for health care costs. Why can't it be counted if you pay costs directly, why is insurance the only option when insurance isn't enough to cover all the costs or all the population!

2. francoHFW what do you think of the idea of going after inmates and immigrants who owe restitution for violations of law? What about transparency and responsibility for paying back costs that we CAN TRACE directly to the people incurring these costs.

Doesn't it make more sense to hold people accountable who CAN BE PROVEN by DUE PROCESS to incur thousands of dollars each in costs, and billions per state in border states of CA and TX alone, and use THOSE credits reimbursed back to taxpayers to pay for health care.

What sense does it make to punish the lawabiding taxpayers, who are already paying for health care for people in prison, by forcing us to pay more (for costs we didn't incur) and taking away our liberty with federal mandates. Aren't you punishing the wrong people and letting others off the hook who are responsible for costs?

How transparent do you want to go with this?