Republicans inadvertantly admit that Bush was responsible for 9/11

[Dad2three]

Just MORE right wing noise on BENNNNGAZZZI WHERE 4 PEOPLE DIED VERSUS 3,0000+? LOL

The documents also included an “ACTION MEMO” for Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy dated December 27, 2011, and written by US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman. With the subject line: “Future of Operations in Benghazi, Libya,” the memo states: “With the full complement of five Special Agents, our permanent presence would include eight U.S. direct hire employees.”

This would seem to suggest that Undersecretary Kennedy had approved a plan for five permanent security agents in Benghazi, but that never happened. It should be noted that there were ultimately a total of five Diplomatic Security Agents in Benghazi that night since there were two stationed at the Benghazi compound, and three escorted Ambassador Chris Stevens to the compound.

Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi - ABC News


Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.
Pelosi Attacks Republicans For Withholding Embassy Security Funding ThinkProgress

GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security

O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this — 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.

GOP Rep I Absolutely Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security ThinkProgress

"Ms. Shea-Porter."
Before this attack there had been budget cutbacks. And there was
a lot of talk about impact on budget cutbacks. So I would just like
to ask you did budget cutbacks in any way set up a stage for this event or any future events that you can see?

"General Ham .
"
No, ma'am, not as far as Africa Command was
concerned. There was not a budgetary constraint that affected my
decision-making in this event.

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=AAEBCAA5-4C8F-4820-BACD-2DB9B53C3424

Did I mention how extensive the testimony was?
Didn't I advise you to read it?

The same General who offered Amb Stevens more troops he turned down, twice? Weird, good to hear he made the offer despite the GOP gutting nearly $300 million from Obama's request for security!

AND the Bennngggaaazzzi post had 3 extra security officers the night of the attack, the number right wingers hold onto. Weird

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

 

[KissMy]

Bush got 8,000 Americans killed & 45,000 wounded. Caused massive inflation & wasted $Trillions. He barely killed any Al-Qaeda Terrorist. Obama is the man who had Al-Qaeda Terrorist exterminated.

 

[Antares]

The only way Obama could be killing people via drones is because Bush went in first with ground troops. Now, we've been told ad nauseum that toppling Saddam Hussein was a Bad Thing. Is it now a good thing for Obama to be continuing the killing?

Dear mindless retard. Al-Qaeda terrorist were not in Iraq. Obama killed far more Al-Qaeda terrorist than Bushtard.

Bush also conquered Afganistan (something the Soviets gave up as impossible) and gave Obama a playground there, that is true.

Oh, and maybe I missed the memo, but is this the place where feeble minded mounds of malodorous monkey muck resort to childish faux insults?

Bush let Al-Qaeda terrorist & Bin Laden escape Afganistan. Very few Al-Qaeda terrorist were killed. The Taliban were not Al-Qaeda or terrorist. Bush also let all the Al-Qaeda terrorist who bombed the USS Cole escape from Yemen. Obama exterminated Al-Qaeda terrorist. Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush.

Tin foil alert, you are a moron.

You're the moron who can't prove me wrong, so attempting insults is all you got.

You DO realize that the burden of proof is on you?

Let's start here.....

"Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush."

MMMMMkay?

 

[Antares]

"Ms. Shea-Porter."
Before this attack there had been budget cutbacks. And there was
a lot of talk about impact on budget cutbacks. So I would just like
to ask you did budget cutbacks in any way set up a stage for this event or any future events that you can see?

"General Ham .
"
No, ma'am, not as far as Africa Command was
concerned. There was not a budgetary constraint that affected my
decision-making in this event.

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=AAEBCAA5-4C8F-4820-BACD-2DB9B53C3424

Did I mention how extensive the testimony was?
Didn't I advise you to read it?

The same General who offered Amb Stevens more troops he turned down, twice? Weird, good to hear he made the offer despite the GOP gutting nearly $300 million from Obama's request for security!

AND the Bennngggaaazzzi post had 3 extra security officers the night of the attack, the number right wingers hold onto. Weird

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

Yup, my links to Ham's testimony prove me correct.

"Ms. Shea-Porter."
Before this attack there had been budget cutbacks. And there was
a lot of talk about impact on budget cutbacks. So I would just like
to ask you did budget cutbacks in any way set up a stage for this event or any future events that you can see?

"General Ham .
"
No, ma'am, not as far as Africa Command was
concerned. There was not a budgetary constraint that affected my
decision-making in this event.

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=AAEBCAA5-4C8F-4820-BACD-2DB9B53C3424

Did I mention how extensive the testimony was?
Didn't I advise you to read it?

The same General who offered Amb Stevens more troops he turned down, twice? Weird, good to hear he made the offer despite the GOP gutting nearly $300 million from Obama's request for security!

AND the Bennngggaaazzzi post had 3 extra security officers the night of the attack, the number right wingers hold onto. Weird

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

I've already proven that Stevens did not have the "authority" to request OR accept Ham's offer.
That the REQUEST had to be made Dept to Dept, not AMB to military commander.
I've already proven there were NO budget cuts that affected Ham's ability to provide security.
The Report linked was the House Bi-Partisan Sub Committee

No matter how you keep trying to deflect you still lose.

 

[Dad2three]

The same General who offered Amb Stevens more troops he turned down, twice? Weird, good to hear he made the offer despite the GOP gutting nearly $300 million from Obama's request for security!

AND the Bennngggaaazzzi post had 3 extra security officers the night of the attack, the number right wingers hold onto. Weird

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

Yup, my links to Ham's testimony prove me correct,y

The same General who offered Amb Stevens more troops he turned down, twice? Weird, good to hear he made the offer despite the GOP gutting nearly $300 million from Obama's request for security!

AND the Bennngggaaazzzi post had 3 extra security officers the night of the attack, the number right wingers hold onto. Weird

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

I've already proven that Stevens did not have the "authority" to request OR accept Ham's offer.
That the REQUEST had to be made Dept to Dept, not AMB to military commander.
I've already proven there were NO budget cuts that affected Ham's ability to provide security.
The Report linked was the House Bi-Partisan Sub Committee

No matter how you keep trying to deflect you still lose.

According to the House committee's SELECT questions. Got it Bubba

Bi partisan? LOL

General Carter Ham, commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM), asked Stevens directly if he wanted a special forces security team for Benghazi, which Ham could provide operating under military command. The offer was made because of Stevens’s concerns that the DOD-provided team he had was set to leave, when its term expired in August 2012.

And Stevens did say no, when faced with this question from Ham.

 

[KissMy]

Dear mindless retard. Al-Qaeda terrorist were not in Iraq. Obama killed far more Al-Qaeda terrorist than Bushtard.

Bush also conquered Afganistan (something the Soviets gave up as impossible) and gave Obama a playground there, that is true.

Oh, and maybe I missed the memo, but is this the place where feeble minded mounds of malodorous monkey muck resort to childish faux insults?

Bush let Al-Qaeda terrorist & Bin Laden escape Afganistan. Very few Al-Qaeda terrorist were killed. The Taliban were not Al-Qaeda or terrorist. Bush also let all the Al-Qaeda terrorist who bombed the USS Cole escape from Yemen. Obama exterminated Al-Qaeda terrorist. Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush.

Tin foil alert, you are a moron.

You're the moron who can't prove me wrong, so attempting insults is all you got.

You DO realize that the burden of proof is on you?

Let's start here.....

"Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush."

MMMMMkay?

Can you prove the Anthrax attacks were not committed by Bruce Edwards Ivins of the United States Army?

 

[hadit]

Bush got 8,000 Americans killed & 45,000 wounded. Caused massive inflation & wasted $Trillions. He barely killed any Al-Qaeda Terrorist. Obama is the man who had Al-Qaeda Terrorist exterminated.

Well, that is until Benghazi shone the light of truth on that farce.

 

[Antares]

Bush also conquered Afganistan (something the Soviets gave up as impossible) and gave Obama a playground there, that is true.

Oh, and maybe I missed the memo, but is this the place where feeble minded mounds of malodorous monkey muck resort to childish faux insults?

Bush let Al-Qaeda terrorist & Bin Laden escape Afganistan. Very few Al-Qaeda terrorist were killed. The Taliban were not Al-Qaeda or terrorist. Bush also let all the Al-Qaeda terrorist who bombed the USS Cole escape from Yemen. Obama exterminated Al-Qaeda terrorist. Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush.

Tin foil alert, you are a moron.

You're the moron who can't prove me wrong, so attempting insults is all you got.

You DO realize that the burden of proof is on you?

Let's start here.....

"Anthrax terror attacks on US were committed by the US military commanded by Bush."

MMMMMkay?

Can you prove the Anthrax attacks were not committed by Bruce Edwards Ivins of the United States Army?

YOU need to prove it was ordered by Bush and facilitated by the Army, it is YOUR allegation.

You really aren't this stupid are you?

 

[Antares]

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

Yup, my links to Ham's testimony prove me correct,y

You aren't very good at this, a lot of that is because you can only hear what Lefty's say and choose to ignore any truth that doesn't meet with your own predetermined "way it is".

Especially since Ham already said that Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for, or accept .
You also just saw that Ham said he was not affected by any "budget cuts".

Now couple that the fact that the State Dept had already asked and received the Security extension TWICE (per Ham) one must wonder why when it expired on Aug 3 it was not asked for again?

You want to make the case that 5 security guards were a suitable replacement for a Detachment of Marines?

Sorry pops you lose.

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

I've already proven that Stevens did not have the "authority" to request OR accept Ham's offer.
That the REQUEST had to be made Dept to Dept, not AMB to military commander.
I've already proven there were NO budget cuts that affected Ham's ability to provide security.
The Report linked was the House Bi-Partisan Sub Committee

No matter how you keep trying to deflect you still lose.

According to the House committee's SELECT questions. Got it Bubba

Bi partisan? LOL

General Carter Ham, commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM), asked Stevens directly if he wanted a special forces security team for Benghazi, which Ham could provide operating under military command. The offer was made because of Stevens’s concerns that the DOD-provided team he had was set to leave, when its term expired in August 2012.

And Stevens did say no, when faced with this question from Ham.

Maybe if I type VERY slowly.......nobody is denying that Ham OFFERED help,got it?

"Ms. Tsongas. "
And is it customary to make these requests through
the Ambassador and for the Ambassador to bless it and make this request
or the assent back to you in order for you to you have the authority
to move forward?

"Gneral Ham
"
Actually ma'am it is a fairly formalized a very
formalized process that the Department of State formally requests
<snip>
but it is a formalized
process that is department to department rather than the combatant
commander and ambassador.

You are going to lose this argument every time pops.
Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for OR accept the offer.

 

[Antares]

Dad2three

Just as an aside, the answers from Ham that I am posting are in response to questions posed by Dem Representatives.

 

[Dad2three]

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

Yup, my links to Ham's testimony prove me correct,y

Only in right wing world do I lose Bubba

In reality Amb Stevens turned down the security offered by Gen Ham, the GOP cut $300 million from Embassy security and yes, the 5 was the number that was deter,ined to be needed. Now there were fuck ups, but unlike the GOP standing behind Dubya and his 3,000+ deaths after 40+ PDB's were ignored. there is no there there on BENNNNGGGAZZZZIII... Try again Bubba

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

I've already proven that Stevens did not have the "authority" to request OR accept Ham's offer.
That the REQUEST had to be made Dept to Dept, not AMB to military commander.
I've already proven there were NO budget cuts that affected Ham's ability to provide security.
The Report linked was the House Bi-Partisan Sub Committee

No matter how you keep trying to deflect you still lose.

According to the House committee's SELECT questions. Got it Bubba

Bi partisan? LOL

General Carter Ham, commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM), asked Stevens directly if he wanted a special forces security team for Benghazi, which Ham could provide operating under military command. The offer was made because of Stevens’s concerns that the DOD-provided team he had was set to leave, when its term expired in August 2012.

And Stevens did say no, when faced with this question from Ham.

Maybe if I type VERY slowly.......nobody is denying that Ham OFFERED help,got it?

"Ms. Tsongas. "
And is it customary to make these requests through
the Ambassador and for the Ambassador to bless it and make this request
or the assent back to you in order for you to you have the authority
to move forward?

"Gneral Ham
"
Actually ma'am it is a fairly formalized a very
formalized process that the Department of State formally requests
<snip>
but it is a formalized
process that is department to department rather than the combatant
commander and ambassador.

You are going to lose this argument every time pops.
Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for OR accept the offer.

Weird,

General Ham. Yes, ma'am, I did have multiple conversations with Ambassador Stevens and with Ambassador Cretz when he was serving as Chief of Mission before Ambassador Stevens and we did talk a lot about security. There were meetings face to face, there were meetings by phone, there were meetings by video teleconference. Both Ambassador Cretz and, as mentioned, Ambassador Stevens did visit the headquarters in Stuttgart. So we had a good free flow of information. As we talked about security with the decision to deploy and then extend the deployment of the Site Security Team, the Department of Defense team operating under the Ambassador's authority, which expired on the 3rd of August of last year, I did have many conversations with Ambassador Stevens about whether that force would be extended. And the nature of my conversation with Ambassador Stevens was basically if you want this, if you want to extend the team beyond the 3rd of August, we, U.S. Africa Command, are prepared to do so.


Ham-...And I understand that on several occasions you did talk to the Ambassador. I don't know if it was buy phone or in person) but that in those conversations in every instance he did not accept your offer of additional help.


Ham - I am not aware of the internal discussions either at the embassy or between the
embassy and Main State as to why the SST was not extended beyond the 3rd
of August and that is not a topic Ambassador Stevens and I discussed.

Ham. -At that point when it was apparent that the Department of State
was not going to seek anextension of the site 15 Security Team,
Ambassador Stevens and I had a discussion about what then should be the right DOD presence in addition to the attache and the normal embassy team.


Ham- Sir I am sorry but I can't answer about the Ambassador's travel.
I just don't have any knowledge about the decisions made (to either go or
stay) or return.Again (in consultation with not just the embassy in
Tripoli) but across the Africa Command AOR and heightened awareness(
and given the missions that we expected) I felt that at that time knowing
what I knew then that we had the right posture.


http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=ACD8F08D-39B9-4FD8-B98C-210BF9D11CD9

 

[Antares]

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

Yup, my links to Ham's testimony prove me correct,y

I feel sorry for you now,you are showing yourself to a very dishonest person.

I've proven that Stevens didn't have the authority to ask for or accept what Ham offered.
I've proven that there were no budget cuts that would have hampered Ham's ability to provide his Marines.
The very same Marines that had BEEN protecting right up until August 3rd, the very same Marines whom the State Dept had ALREADY twice requested but refused to AFTER Aug 3rd.

5 was the number left not the number "determined" by anyone.

This isn't about Dubya kid, this is about Benghazi and you will never be allowed to deflect by me
Ever.

Got it, Amb Stevens didn't REALLY turn down more security AND the GOP didn't really gut $300 million from what Obama asked for on Embassy security, after all your links to the GOP committee's report proves you correct. Not like they would want to politicize anything right Bubba?

After all we all know BEENNNGAAAZZZIII was WAY bigger than Dubya allowing 3,000+ US citizens to die when he ignored 40+ PDB's!

I've already proven that Stevens did not have the "authority" to request OR accept Ham's offer.
That the REQUEST had to be made Dept to Dept, not AMB to military commander.
I've already proven there were NO budget cuts that affected Ham's ability to provide security.
The Report linked was the House Bi-Partisan Sub Committee

No matter how you keep trying to deflect you still lose.

According to the House committee's SELECT questions. Got it Bubba

Bi partisan? LOL

General Carter Ham, commander of Africa Command (AFRICOM), asked Stevens directly if he wanted a special forces security team for Benghazi, which Ham could provide operating under military command. The offer was made because of Stevens’s concerns that the DOD-provided team he had was set to leave, when its term expired in August 2012.

And Stevens did say no, when faced with this question from Ham.

Maybe if I type VERY slowly.......nobody is denying that Ham OFFERED help,got it?

"Ms. Tsongas. "
And is it customary to make these requests through
the Ambassador and for the Ambassador to bless it and make this request
or the assent back to you in order for you to you have the authority
to move forward?

"Gneral Ham
"
Actually ma'am it is a fairly formalized a very
formalized process that the Department of State formally requests
<snip>
but it is a formalized
process that is department to department rather than the combatant
commander and ambassador.

You are going to lose this argument every time pops.
Stevens did not have the Authority to ask for OR accept the offer.

Weird,

General Ham. Yes, ma'am, I did have multiple conversations with Ambassador Stevens and with Ambassador Cretz when he was serving as Chief of Mission before Ambassador Stevens and we did talk a lot about security. There were meetings face to face, there were meetings by phone, there were meetings by video teleconference. Both Ambassador Cretz and, as mentioned, Ambassador Stevens did visit the headquarters in Stuttgart. So we had a good free flow of information. As we talked about security with the decision to deploy and then extend the deployment of the Site Security Team, the Department of Defense team operating under the Ambassador's authority, which expired on the 3rd of August of last year, I did have many conversations with Ambassador Stevens about whether that force would be extended. And the nature of my conversation with Ambassador Stevens was basically if you want this, if you want to extend the team beyond the 3rd of August, we, U.S. Africa Command, are prepared to do so.


Ham-...And I understand that on several occasions you did talk to the Ambassador. I don't know if it was buy phone or in person) but that in those conversations in every instance he did not accept your offer of additional help.


Ham - I am not aware of the internal discussions either at the embassy or between the
embassy and Main State as to why the SST was not extended beyond the 3rd
of August and that is not a topic Ambassador Stevens and I discussed.

Ham. -At that point when it was apparent that the Department of State
was not going to seek anextension of the site 15 Security Team,
Ambassador Stevens and I had a discussion about what then should be the right DOD presence in addition to the attache and the normal embassy team.


Ham- Sir I am sorry but I can't answer about the Ambassador's travel.
I just don't have any knowledge about the decisions made (to either go or
stay) or return.Again (in consultation with not just the embassy in
Tripoli) but across the Africa Command AOR and heightened awareness(
and given the missions that we expected) I felt that at that time knowing
what I knew then that we had the right posture.


http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=ACD8F08D-39B9-4FD8-B98C-210BF9D11CD9

Oh my, you just aren't very bright.....context is EVERYTHING son.

What date were they talking about in the passage YOU quoted?

"
Mr. Scott. If I may~ just to follow up on that~ on page 3~
paragraph 3 it starts on September 10th~ Ambassador Stevens traveled
to Benghazi on official business.

"
am- Sir I am sorry but I can't answer about the Ambassador's travel.
I just don't have any knowledge about the decisions made (to either go or
stay) or return.Again (in consultation with not just the embassy in
Tripoli) but across the Africa Command AOR and heightened awareness(
and given the missions that we expected) I felt that at that time knowing
what I knew then that we had the right posture."

"and given the missions that we expected"

You do understand this line don't you?

The date being discussed is Sept 10th, the DOD security Mission had expired on Aug 3rd and was never renewed so they were now working with what they had.....with no missions being "expected"

I can go on beating you up all day long

 

[Antares]

Dad2three

No deflection and everything will remain in context.

I agree, protection was offered several times.
State Dept had to request or accept it,not Stevens.

I agree, Stevens turned it down,he had NO authority to accept it.

You crowed that there were FIVE security people there, YOUR post says that original detail was FIFTEEN.

 

[TemplarKormac]

They are running all over the place blaming Obama for not suspending entry into the US to people from a small handful of countries, resulting in two Americans coming down with ebola.

This is a tacit admission on their part that Bush should have suspended entry into the US of people from a small handful of countries, which resulted in 3,000 people being killed by said people.

And by blaming Bush for 9/11, you inadvertently showed how much of an idiot you are.

 

[MaryL]

They are running all over the place blaming Obama for not suspending entry into the US to people from a small handful of countries, resulting in two Americans coming down with ebola.

This is a tacit admission on their part that Bush should have suspended entry into the US of people from a small handful of countries, which resulted in 3,000 people being killed by said people.

How are these two issues even remotely connected? Bush WAS the Idiot in chief. Obama IS the present idiot in chief. Present tense.

 

[Faun]

Dad2three

No deflection and everything will remain in context.

I agree, protection was offered several times.
State Dept had to request or accept it,not Stevens.

I agree, Stevens turned it down,he had NO authority to accept it.

You crowed that there were FIVE security people there, YOUR post says that original detail was FIFTEEN.

It's been investigated 8 times (so far). How many more investigations do you need to finally accept reality?