Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs

[Flash]

That is funny because Democrats don't seem to understand the ramifications of high taxation.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Trump is proposing cuts to Medicare. Granted, he is never going to get them. Do you agree with him?

Every government program is bloated with fraud, inefficiencies and redundancies. You can cut Medicare and boost benefits to individuals at the same time.

You could cut medicare fraud and inefficiencies by 4 billion and increase benefits by two billion and end up with a 2 billion savings.

So yes, I agree with Trump. But he will NOT cut off those is need.

 

[pknopp]

Insulin to treat a patient was discovered in 1921. (To note, in Canada). The price of insulin in Canada is a fraction of what it is in the US.

Quinn Nystrom, a leader of T1International’s Minnesota chapter, said on May via Twitter that the price of insulin in the United States per vial was $320, while in Canada the same medication under a different name was $30.

American caravan arrives in Canadian 'birthplace of insulin' for cheaper medicine - Reuters

To get to a point........from the same link.

Insulin prices in the United States nearly doubled to an average annual cost of $5,705 in 2016 from $2,864 in 2012, according to a study in January.

Why? Let's take other consumer items. How much less expensive today is a flat screen television from what it was in 2012? There was a lot of costs involved to develop a flat screen television and when they came out they were priced out of the reach of most consumers. The costs quickly came down.

Insulin for the use by diabetics was discovered almost 100 years ago and not by the companies charging such unjustifiable prices in the United States. There is no justification for the continued skyrocketing prices.

Now the "Socialist" Bernie Sanders introduced a bill to allow the "free markets" to work here. His bill would have allowed American's to simply order their prescriptions off a Canadian source.

Sanders offers bill to allow purchase of prescription drugs from Canada

Did the free market Capitalists go for this? No.

Cory Booker Joins Senate Republicans to Kill Measure to Import Cheaper Medicine From Canada

( I used the above link to make an additional point)

The article points out why Booker will never be president and why I will never vote for him regardless of any other positions he takes.

Since we will not allow the free markets to work here, I support making those who will not support that pay for the medicine that people can not afford because of their policies.

 

[pknopp]

Trump is proposing cuts to Medicare. Granted, he is never going to get them. Do you agree with him?

Every government program is bloated with fraud, inefficiencies and redundancies. You can cut Medicare and boost benefits to individuals at the same time.

You could cut medicare fraud and inefficiencies by 4 billion and increase benefits by two billion and end up with a 2 billion savings.

So yes, I agree with Trump. But he will NOT cut off those is need.

So why is Trump not dealing with the fraud, inefficiencies and redundancies if that is the issue? He doesn't need to propose something that isn't going to pass. He could simply do this. Take the issue on and show how savings can be made.

It is his job afterall.

 

[usmcstinger]

Let's understand something about cheaper drugs in Europe. Firstly, they allow them to be approved with much less oversight which reduces prices. In reality the Governments of Europe do not provide free Health Care. As the cost of Health Care rises, they increase taxes or create new taxes to pay for it. We saw in France that the people vehemently protested the increase of fuel taxes to pay for Health Care. As they say, these Government Social Programs sooner or later run out of other peoples money. The British ran into basically the same issue. Lots of Third World Doctors in these programs. Summing it up, the governments decide what your health care needs not you.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

What I am asking is for you to provide proof, an example, of the statement you made about republicans saying you should just die if you can’t afford the medicine. You cant, so you deflect. The idea of creating a narrative that smears conservatives and republicans, a narrative that has no basis in fact, is standard leftwing procedure. The left has no use for the truth and I will point this out at every opportunity.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system....f

I have never heard any republican say that.

Me too, though I haven't heard a word from a real Republican in years. Callous conservatives dominate the once GOP, they blame the poor for being poor, and the working poor for being too lazy to improve their station in life.

 

[pknopp]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

What I am asking is for you to provide proof, an example, of the statement you made about republicans saying you should just die if you can’t afford the medicine. You cant, so you deflect. The idea of creating a narrative that smears conservatives and republicans, a narrative that has no basis in fact, is standard leftwing procedure. The left has no use for the truth and I will point this out at every opportunity.

Nicole Nichols sent an email Monday to each state representative, asking for help in obtaining her diabetic daughter's insulin pump supplies.

State Rep. Jeffrey Guice, R-Ocean Springs, responded, "I am sorry for your problem. Have you thought about buying the supplies with money that you earn?"

State representative to mom: Buy your own meds

 

[Crepitus]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system....f

I have never heard any republican say that.

Really? Stick around for a while, one of them is bound to blurt it out at some point in this thread.

 

[KissMy]

Republicans are on the take from big pharma. Repubtards extend patent protection like Epi-Pen for Big Pharma while most of their money goes to Republicans in Congress?

 

[Crepitus]

Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs…

It's not that we don't understand. We just don't care that some pathetic drug addict such as you is struggling to come up with the money to buy your next “fix”. The sooner you die from an overdose, or withdrawal, or just the general self-neglect to which your kind are prone, the sooner we'll be relieved of the burden that you impose on society.

Correll here's the first one, on the same page you said republicans didn't say that.

 

[Crepitus]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

I understand it perfectly. The US does the R & D (that is research and development, for the retarded liberals), then they produce the product and have to sell it at a cost that recuperates the R & D, plus some so they can R & D other drugs. Now in comes Canada, buys a pill, reverse engineers it, and then a generic is now produced. If no one in the US buys up the US product then the US company goes out of business, and then there is no R & D anymore and no more cures. Why are you still alive, producing tons of CO2 every year? Why do you bitch and moan about this country, when your Socialist Utopian Paradise has been opened to you. Buy that ticket to Cuba, use their universal healthcare, get their cheap drugs. Just leave this country alone, you worthless fucks, we like it fine here.

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That is what they would like you to believe, but in reality drug research is an international effort.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

What I am asking is for you to provide proof, an example, of the statement you made about republicans saying you should just die if you can’t afford the medicine. You cant, so you deflect. The idea of creating a narrative that smears conservatives and republicans, a narrative that has no basis in fact, is standard leftwing procedure. The left has no use for the truth and I will point this out at every opportunity.

Nicole Nichols sent an email Monday to each state representative, asking for help in obtaining her diabetic daughter's insulin pump supplies.

State Rep. Jeffrey Guice, R-Ocean Springs, responded, "I am sorry for your problem. Have you thought about buying the supplies with money that you earn?"

State representative to mom: Buy your own meds

Doesn’t even come close. And this is a state govt deal. Did nichol Nichols respond to the legislators request, like is this taken out of context?

 

[pknopp]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

What I am asking is for you to provide proof, an example, of the statement you made about republicans saying you should just die if you can’t afford the medicine. You cant, so you deflect. The idea of creating a narrative that smears conservatives and republicans, a narrative that has no basis in fact, is standard leftwing procedure. The left has no use for the truth and I will point this out at every opportunity.

Nicole Nichols sent an email Monday to each state representative, asking for help in obtaining her diabetic daughter's insulin pump supplies.

State Rep. Jeffrey Guice, R-Ocean Springs, responded, "I am sorry for your problem. Have you thought about buying the supplies with money that you earn?"

State representative to mom: Buy your own meds

Doesn’t even come close. And this is a state govt deal. Did nichol Nichols respond to the legislators request, like is this taken out of context?

The request was for a Republican. There you go.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

What I am asking is for you to provide proof, an example, of the statement you made about republicans saying you should just die if you can’t afford the medicine. You cant, so you deflect. The idea of creating a narrative that smears conservatives and republicans, a narrative that has no basis in fact, is standard leftwing procedure. The left has no use for the truth and I will point this out at every opportunity.

Nicole Nichols sent an email Monday to each state representative, asking for help in obtaining her diabetic daughter's insulin pump supplies.

State Rep. Jeffrey Guice, R-Ocean Springs, responded, "I am sorry for your problem. Have you thought about buying the supplies with money that you earn?"

State representative to mom: Buy your own meds

Sadly he's not the only callous conservative in a Republican Caucus.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Here is good news:

A Cure for Ebola? Two New Treatments Prove Highly Effective in Congo

Thankfully the World Health Organization created this treatment, had Big Pharma in the US done so the cost would be thousands of dollars per dose.

 

[hadit]

Let's understand something about cheaper drugs in Europe. Firstly, they allow them to be approved with much less oversight which reduces prices. In reality the Governments of Europe do not provide free Health Care. As the cost of Health Care rises, they increase taxes or create new taxes to pay for it. We saw in France that the people vehemently protested the increase of fuel taxes to pay for Health Care. As they say, these Government Social Programs sooner or later run out of other peoples money. The British ran into basically the same issue. Lots of Third World Doctors in these programs. Summing it up, the governments decide what your health care needs not you.

Our military presence also allows them to spend significantly less on defense. We are subsidizing their welfare states.

 

[Correll]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system....f

I have never heard any republican say that.

Me too, though I haven't heard a word from a real Republican in years. Callous conservatives dominate the once GOP, they blame the poor for being poor, and the working poor for being too lazy to improve their station in life.

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No True Scotsman Fallacy. Dismissed.

 

[Correll]

Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs…

It's not that we don't understand. We just don't care that some pathetic drug addict such as you is struggling to come up with the money to buy your next “fix”. The sooner you die from an overdose, or withdrawal, or just the general self-neglect to which your kind are prone, the sooner we'll be relieved of the burden that you impose on society.

Correll here's the first one, on the same page you said republicans didn't say that.

Sounds more like a personal attack aimed at Billy, than a policy position....

 

[KissMy]

Republican DEA & FDA only allow their largest campaign donors to sell drugs here in the USA at HUGE PROFITS!!!