Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs

[Dana7360]

Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs…

It's not that we don't understand. We just don't care that some pathetic drug addict such as you is struggling to come up with the money to buy your next “fix”. The sooner you die from an overdose, or withdrawal, or just the general self-neglect to which your kind are prone, the sooner we'll be relieved of the burden that you impose on society.

What in the world?

Are you on drugs?

The OP was about life saving drugs such as insulin for diabetics.

A person's next fix isn't paid by anyone but the addict who is buying the drugs from a black market dealer. Tax dollars aren't involved with a "fix." Prescription drugs aren't a "fix."

Meanwhile do you have the money to pay for chemotherapy? Do you have the money to pay for cancer surgery? Do you have the money for life saving drugs for heart conditions? Do you have the money to pay for an epipen if you're severely allergic to bees or something else?

This is a very real problem. It was made much worse when the bush boy passed his prescription drug socialism for medicare. The republicans who wrote that bill made it illegal for the government to negotiate lower prices for drugs for medicare patients. Overnight the price of all drugs went up even more.

A good start in lowering the price of drugs is to remove that law and allow the government to negotiate lower prices for prescription drugs.

Stop with the lies and hate. You're only driving people away from the republican party.

 

[Slyhunter]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Blame Deals made by Liberal Politicians with Drug Manufacturing to pay for all the R & D with Americans money and not distributing it to other countries moneys as well. Which is why we need to make it legal to buy our medication via Canadian Web Sites who have just as good of a FDA as we have. For those that dare let them buy from Mexico Web sites as well. This will drive drug prices down in the US and up in Canada and Mexico.

 

[22lcidw]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

At some point it is not about personal affordability it is about the government affording to subsidize it. That will happen here. Some drugs are very cheap and even if previous generations of the product. As people die off, the immunity built up to versions will disappear also and cheaper variants will be produced. So stop wishing for bad times. Because that is the best of what will happen if things are not nice.

That doesn’t explain why these drugs can be paid for for a fraction of the cost in other countries.

You are right. Many of the drugs are cheaper. But not all. For the most part is it the American companies that do the research and development on these products? Is there a payback for the money spent? If we spend less on prescriptions will there be a massive reduction in research and development? Of course it may not make a difference and they are taking advantage of us just for greed. And that exists in our nation as we know.

 

[Billy000]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

Please give me one example of a republican saying if they can’t afford a drug it is the patients fault.

Think about what you want of this claim. How about you just tell me what is the solution to people not getting the drugs they need because they can’t afford them?

At some point it is not about personal affordability it is about the government affording to subsidize it. That will happen here. Some drugs are very cheap and even if previous generations of the product. As people die off, the immunity built up to versions will disappear also and cheaper variants will be produced. So stop wishing for bad times. Because that is the best of what will happen if things are not nice.

That doesn’t explain why these drugs can be paid for for a fraction of the cost in other countries.

You are right. Many of the drugs are cheaper. But not all. For the most part is it the American companies that do the research and development on these products? Is there a payback for the money spent? If we spend less on prescriptions will there be a massive reduction in research and development? Of course it may not make a difference and they are taking advantage of us just for greed. And that exists in our nation as we know.

The profit made off of these drugs far outweighs the initial cost of R&D. More importantly, the US isn’t the only country that does R&D.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

What in the world?

Are you on drugs?

The OP was about life saving drugs such as insulin for diabetics.

A person's next fix isn't paid by anyone but the addict who is buying the drugs from a black market dealer. Tax dollars aren't involved with a "fix." Prescription drugs aren't a "fix."

Meanwhile do you have the money to pay for chemotherapy? Do you have the money to pay for cancer surgery? Do you have the money for life saving drugs for heart conditions? Do you have the money to pay for an epipen if you're severely allergic to bees or something else?

This is a very real problem. It was made much worse when the bush boy passed his prescription drug socialism for medicare. The republicans who wrote that bill made it illegal for the government to negotiate lower prices for drugs for medicare patients. Overnight the price of all drugs went up even more.

A good start in lowering the price of drugs is to remove that law and allow the government to negotiate lower prices for prescription drugs.

Stop with the lies and hate. You're only driving people away from the republican party.

Did you notice who the OP is?

No, I am not the one on drugs.

 

[Billy000]

What the fuck ever. Republicans say that shit all the time.

Nope. Never heard that. I think you're imagining things.

Um okay whatever. Let me ask you this. What is your solution to millions of people being unable to afford life-saving medicine?

I have multiple things that would help, but are you sure you really want a thoughtful, reasoned response in such an obviously tainted hit piece like this thread?

Do you now disavow your own OP?

We both know you don’t have them.

Okay, since you're dodging, we'll assume you're disavowing it. It was stupid anyway. Let's look at some things that could reduce some drug prices.

1. Competition. Shorten but don't eliminate the trademark period.
2. Go back to the days when you could not advertise prescription drugs. Now drug companies have massive (read expensive) marketing campaigns and patients are demanding drugs from doctors, thus driving up demand and price.
3. Change the culture that expects a pill to eliminate the consequences of a lifetime of poor health practices.

Now, what would you do to reduce drug prices that wouldn't stifle innovation?

How do we do all of this exactly? Also, why do you support some government meddling but not other?

 

[Defiant1]

Republicans don't care about the consequences of high drugs costs.

The voters do when they realize they can’t afford them.

and what do a whole bunch those voters do?.....they vote for the same useless piece of shit they voted for last time and the time before that....hence our 20% congress....

Nope. Never heard that. I think you're imagining things.

Um okay whatever. Let me ask you this. What is your solution to millions of people being unable to afford life-saving medicine?

I'm sure you have heard of "survival of the fittest."
It's science, right? You're all about science, right?

lol just as predicted. You prove my point with this post.

What's your point?
Do you think people have a right to life saving drugs?

Yes, they should because the drugs exist.

They are the property of the drug company that created them, not you or the government.

 

[Oddball]

Note that the partisan hack dope OP refuses to deal with the FDA jacking the shit out of everything having to do with medical care in Murica.

Newp....It's all on the lobbyists and corporations, but not the politicians and bureaucracy.

 

[JBond]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

It is a shame Obama and the leftists allowed the insurance companies to write the healthcare bill. Shame on you.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

I understand it perfectly. The US does the R & D (that is research and development, for the retarded liberals), then they produce the product and have to sell it at a cost that recuperates the R & D, plus some so they can R & D other drugs. Now in comes Canada, buys a pill, reverse engineers it, and then a generic is now produced. If no one in the US buys up the US product then the US company goes out of business, and then there is no R & D anymore and no more cures. Why are you still alive, producing tons of CO2 every year? Why do you bitch and moan about this country, when your Socialist Utopian Paradise has been opened to you. Buy that ticket to Cuba, use their universal healthcare, get their cheap drugs. Just leave this country alone, you worthless fucks, we like it fine here.

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Billy can't comprehend that, he thinks scientist should work for free developing new drugs.

 

[Papageorgio]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system. It’s self-righteous ranting that makes them feel more manly but in reality doesn’t come from a place of experience therefore they come across as stupid and petty.

They like to pretend that all other nations have inferior healthcare systems when really this is complete bullshit. They then rather say our healthcare system sucks because of ACA but are too childish to admit our healthcare system sucked before ACA. Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option. Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries? Government red tape isn’t the reason. We know this because the exact same drugs are much more accessible in other 1st world countries. Now are these healthcare systems perfect? Of course not, but many of them are sure as hell better than what we have here.

Sure, the for-profit system we have has some advantages in how sophisticated certain treatments can be, but that hardly means jack shit if MOST people can’t afford those sophisticated treatments. Republicans do get that right? The foreigners that come here for treatment that is not available in their countries are WEALTHY.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that 1/4th of diabetics in the US can’t afford the insulin they need on a daily basis? No of course not. They would only care if they became both diabetic and poor. Then they would get it lol.

What happens when diabetics can’t afford insulin? They go to the emergency room and drive up healthcare costs.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/si..._podcasts_cmwf_podcast_transcript_rxdrugs.pdf

The human cost of insulin in America

I think you have no idea of what anyone thinks, especially Republicans and Conservatives.

 

[Papageorgio]

Republicans don't care about the consequences of high drugs costs.

More left wing lies.

 

[Muhammed]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system.

Can you quote a few Republicans saying that, or are you simply presenting another one of you inane strawman arguments, jackass?

 

[pknopp]

The voters do when they realize they can’t afford them.

and what do a whole bunch those voters do?.....they vote for the same useless piece of shit they voted for last time and the time before that....hence our 20% congress....

Um okay whatever. Let me ask you this. What is your solution to millions of people being unable to afford life-saving medicine?

I'm sure you have heard of "survival of the fittest."
It's science, right? You're all about science, right?

lol just as predicted. You prove my point with this post.

What's your point?
Do you think people have a right to life saving drugs?

Yes, they should because the drugs exist.

They are the property of the drug company that created them, not you or the government.

Who funded it should play no role?


Pharmaceutical corporations need to stop free-riding on publicly-funded research


In reality, companies receive substantial publicly-funded support from the government. A recent study found that all 210 drugs approved in the U.S. between 2010 and 2016 benefitted from publicly-funded research, either directly or indirectly.

Taxpayers contribute through public university research, grants, subsidies, and other incentives. This means people are often paying twice for their medicines: through their tax dollars and at the pharmacy.

Pharmaceutical corporations need to stop free-riding on publicly-funded research

 

[pknopp]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault. That’s their excuse for our shitty healthcare system.

Can you quote a few Republicans saying that, or are you simply presenting another one of you inane strawman arguments, jackass?

It's said here all the time. The argument is made over and over that if you do not have a good paying job it's no one else's fault but your own.

 

[justoffal]

Republicans don’t seem to understand all of the ramifications of high drug costs…

It's not that we don't understand. We just don't care that some pathetic drug addict such as you is struggling to come up with the money to buy your next “fix”. The sooner you die from an overdose, or withdrawal, or just the general self-neglect to which your kind are prone, the sooner we'll be relieved of the burden that you impose on society.

Class A drug abusers should be left to their own fate... They are after all a self regulating population.

Jo

 

[hadit]

Nope. Never heard that. I think you're imagining things.

Um okay whatever. Let me ask you this. What is your solution to millions of people being unable to afford life-saving medicine?

I have multiple things that would help, but are you sure you really want a thoughtful, reasoned response in such an obviously tainted hit piece like this thread?

Do you now disavow your own OP?

We both know you don’t have them.

Okay, since you're dodging, we'll assume you're disavowing it. It was stupid anyway. Let's look at some things that could reduce some drug prices.

1. Competition. Shorten but don't eliminate the trademark period.
2. Go back to the days when you could not advertise prescription drugs. Now drug companies have massive (read expensive) marketing campaigns and patients are demanding drugs from doctors, thus driving up demand and price.
3. Change the culture that expects a pill to eliminate the consequences of a lifetime of poor health practices.

Now, what would you do to reduce drug prices that wouldn't stifle innovation?

How do we do all of this exactly? Also, why do you support some government meddling but not other?

I told you what I would do, what would you do?

 

[BluesLegend]

Our system is a joke and always will be a joke if there isn’t a public option.

^^^ free healthcare paid for by someone else is your true goal.

Doesn’t it bother republicans that drug prices of the exact same drugs are a fraction of the cost in other countries?

^^^ typical left wing double talk. They prattle on about how America should share the wealth with other countries, then bitch when we do.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault..........

As usual you start off your OP being a lowlife lying sack of shit. No Republican has EVER said that, and your punk ass cannot provide a quote either.

The FACT is that GW Bush was the first president to provide prescription drugs to those in need, you littler pissant bitch.

Bush signs landmark Medicare bill into law
President Bush: 'Giving older Americans better choices'
CNN.com - Bush signs landmark Medicare bill into law - Dec. 8, 2003
Monday, December 8, 2003 Posted: 1:23 PM EST (1823 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Monday signed into law landmark Medicare reform legislation that includes prescription drug benefits and has sparked a bitter fight between opponents and supporters.

 

[pknopp]

Often republicans will say (as armchair critics only) that if a person can’t afford life-saving drugs for themselves, it is their own fault..........

As usual you start off your OP being a lowlife lying sack of shit. No Republican has EVER said that, and your punk ass cannot provide a quote either.

The FACT is that GW Bush was the first president to provide prescription drugs to those in need, you littler pissant bitch.

Bush signs landmark Medicare bill into law
President Bush: 'Giving older Americans better choices'
CNN.com - Bush signs landmark Medicare bill into law - Dec. 8, 2003
Monday, December 8, 2003 Posted: 1:23 PM EST (1823 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Monday signed into law landmark Medicare reform legislation that includes prescription drug benefits and has sparked a bitter fight between opponents and supporters.

Trump is proposing cuts to Medicare. Granted, he is never going to get them. Do you agree with him?