francoHFW
Diamond Member
Clinton also wanted more training and college opportunity along with free trade. Pubs stopped that part of it...
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Clinton also wanted more training and college opportunity along with free trade. Pubs stopped that part of it...
corrupt politicians on both sides of the isle are the problem
denial of this may help you sleep at night though.
I think before Clinton or Obama or Carter or even Kennedy got the nomination, they had to promise to be business friendly. If not maybe the DNC gives Hillary the nomination in 2008. And Kennedy maybe went too far and business had him offed. And Carter wasn't friendly enough and they sabotaged his re election bid with the whole Iran/Contra deal.
Clinton was a triangulator. He went along on way too much. So business didn't fuck with him. That is why they attacked him with Monica. It was all they had on the guy.
Obama is business friendly, but he is also middle class friendly. Certainly more than Romney.
Notice the repuglicans hold us to a higher standard than they hold Romney or Newt or Rick Perry or Palin or Bachmann.
Clinton was a scumbag for cheating, but they all supported Newt for awhile. Clinton signed NAFTA, but we all know its the GOP who protect free trade despite the fact that it is killing the middle class.
Middle class republicans who go along must not think it affects them. Of course they don't. Because if they realized it was GOP policies that tanked the economy, homes values and their 401K's, they'd have to be stupid to keep voting GOP.
Don't let them try to come at you with that Ron Paul shit either. Ron Paul just figured out a way to make himself different in 4 ways that sound good to all of us, but don't forget his free market theories will take us back to a time when we had a small ruling class, small middle class merchantile class and a huge working poor class. Liberal democracies created the middle class. Labor laws and unions. Teachers, auto workers, police and even government employees should make a living wage.
We all agree there are a lot of high level government salaries that are rediculous. Not to mention the high cost pentagon projects and waste/frauld corruption. But Republicans don't go after them. They go after the teachers, police, firefighter salaries when they need to find ways to save.
Are Democrats perfect? No. But their spending is spent inside America, on the middle class and poor. That money gets the economy moving, not giving it to the top 1%. They need to start paying their fair share.
I could go on and on, but I won't.
glad i wore my boots......
Can you show me one union that likes free trade Harry? And clearly since NAFTA we have seen that free market theories greatly benefit the top 1% but haven't been so good for the middle class or poor. Am I mistaken Harry?
Can you explain how free trade helped the middle class Harry? Didn't think so.
glad i wore my boots......
Can you show me one union that likes free trade Harry? And clearly since NAFTA we have seen that free market theories greatly benefit the top 1% but haven't been so good for the middle class or poor. Am I mistaken Harry?
Can you explain how free trade helped the middle class Harry? Didn't think so.
Not that I am on board with the claims of the left.....
But, even if it were true...let's look at what the left is saying.
They don't want "good" jobs to go to places like China because it hurts the middle class. That money is helping to improve the lives of people overseas.
And here I thought the left was all about social justice and equity. I thought they would be happy to sacrafice our middle class to lift up those in poverty.
Guess not.
Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post
Like we didn't already know this?
Before you rw's get all whiny about being the (**sob**) victims of The Great Liberal Media Conspiracy, you might want to read these two, linked from the first one.
Five myths about conservative voters - The Washington Post
Top five cliches liberals use to avoid real arguments - The Washington Post
Nonetheless, the FACT still stands that the pubs are the problem.
glad i wore my boots......
Can you show me one union that likes free trade Harry? And clearly since NAFTA we have seen that free market theories greatly benefit the top 1% but haven't been so good for the middle class or poor. Am I mistaken Harry?
Can you explain how free trade helped the middle class Harry? Didn't think so.
Not that I am on board with the claims of the left.....
But, even if it were true...let's look at what the left is saying.
They don't want "good" jobs to go to places like China because it hurts the middle class. That money is helping to improve the lives of people overseas.
And here I thought the left was all about social justice and equity. I thought they would be happy to sacrafice our middle class to lift up those in poverty.
Guess not.
Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. - The Washington Post
Like we didn't already know this?
Before you rw's get all whiny about being the (**sob**) victims of The Great Liberal Media Conspiracy, you might want to read these two, linked from the first one.
Five myths about conservative voters - The Washington Post
Top five cliches liberals use to avoid real arguments - The Washington Post
Nonetheless, the FACT still stands that the pubs are the problem.
washington post; enough said libnut
John Edwards, most democrats held onto him to the bitter end.corrupt politicians on both sides of the isle are the problem
denial of this may help you sleep at night though.
We don't deny it. What we do is replace them when we find them out. Did you see the recent blue dogs that we just booted? They acted just like Republicans. Served corporations instead of their constituents. So we got rid of them. That is how you take the government back from the rich who own both sides.
But you don't out your corruption. You don't even consider it corruption. You accept that the GOP answer to the corporations. Because you are a house slave.
Or you say, "oh it exists on both sides". Or, "all politicans are corrupt", except Ron Paul, Reagan and now Romney of course. If you are buying that?
Perhaps another nation would be more appropriate for you...................
I may go to another country before too much longer. I'm getting tired of living in this fascist police state. I'm beginning to think it isn't salvagable.
Keep saving that allowance, lil' guy.
Republican's problem is it's lack of people with zero backbone....
The party's biggest problem is its own messengers. They're terrible representatives and they're turning too much of the party into a gross caricature. The damage can certainly be repaired, but only after the loons have been marginalized.
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You mean they should change their mascot from the elephant to the squid?
What are the democrats plan to balance the budget?
What are the democrats plan to balance the budget?
They didn't have a budget in 2010 remember?
What are the democrats plan to balance the budget?
They didn't have a budget in 2010 remember?
seriously? NO SERIOUSLY?
Government without a budget is like handing the credit card to your teenager and saying spend on what ever you think you need.