Republican Debate: February 13, 2016

[rdean]

Kasich the big loser tonight...

In my opinion:

1. Rubio
2. Trump/Bush
4. Cruz
5. Kasich
6. Carson

Is that from the bottom up?

 

[rdean]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Those are all things Republicans call failures. Makes you wonder how they define success.

 

[Faun]

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

What part of Record do you not understand?
Record 94,031,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Stuck at 38-Year Low for 3rd Straight Month

How predictable of you to switch from full time employed folks to those not in the labor force when called on your bullshit.

The only reason those two numbers don't mesh is if we had a large increase in births these past few years, and we haven't. The increase to the full time numbers, you use, is due to IMMIGRANTS. Which is my point. ie people who aren't Americans.

More bullshit.

More jobs under Obama have been filled by American born people than foreign born, many of whom, are also U.S. citizens.

If truth and reality was on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like you do.

 

[Faun]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Those are all things Republicans call failures. Makes you wonder how they define success.

What I couldn't help but notice was when the candidates were asked what were the 3 things they would tackle first, not one said the economy.

Because the economy is not nearly as bad as the brain-dead right pretends.

 

[bobdrake]

Unfortunately the economy is a huge problem as displayed by the labor force participation rate.

Labor Participation Rate and (lack of) Wage Inflation - The Big Picture

 

[Dovahkiin]

When Republicans decide to criticize the weak recovery, I tend to agree. It's funny though, they fail to recognize why the recovery is so weak..
Let's look at history:
Over the past, say, 35 years, only 2 efforts have been taken to lower the deficit:
Under clinton, we had the revenue driven surpluses, which were followed by a recession, and then we have Obama's deficit reduction, which actually contributes to the slow recovery! The government needs to spend freely for a booming recovery.

 

[edthecynic]

Unfortunately the economy is a huge problem as displayed by the labor force participation rate.

Labor Participation Rate and (lack of) Wage Inflation - The Big Picture

The LFPR is worthless when not corrected for demographics.

 

[Faun]

Unfortunately the economy is a huge problem as displayed by the labor force participation rate.

Labor Participation Rate and (lack of) Wage Inflation - The Big Picture

You do know the labor force participation rate is not an indicator of the health of the job market, right?

 

[Slyhunter]

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

What part of Record do you not understand?
Record 94,031,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Stuck at 38-Year Low for 3rd Straight Month

How predictable of you to switch from full time employed folks to those not in the labor force when called on your bullshit.

The only reason those two numbers don't mesh is if we had a large increase in births these past few years, and we haven't. The increase to the full time numbers, you use, is due to IMMIGRANTS. Which is my point. ie people who aren't Americans.

More bullshit.

More jobs under Obama have been filled by American born people than foreign born, many of whom, are also U.S. citizens.

If truth and reality was on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like you do.

Facts are on my side.
All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

Government data show that since 2000 all of the net gain in the number of working-age (16 to 65) people holding a job has gone to immigrants (legal and illegal).

All of the net increase in employment went to immigrants in the last 14 years partly because, even before the Great Recession, immigrants were gaining a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth. In addition, natives' losses were somewhat greater during the recession and immigrants have recovered more quickly from it. With 58 million working-age natives not working, the Schumer-Rubio bill (S.744) and similar House measures that would substantially increase the number of foreign workers allowed in the country seem out of touch with the realities of the U.S. labor market.

Three conclusions can be drawn from this analysis:

• First, the long-term decline in the employment for natives across age and education levels is a clear indication that there is no general labor shortage, which is a primary justification for the large increases in immigration (skilled and unskilled) in the Schumer-Rubio bill and similar House proposals.
  
  
• Second, the decline in work among the native-born over the last 14 years of high immigration is consistent with research showing that immigration reduces employment for natives.
  
  
• Third, the trends since 2000 challenge the argument that immigration on balance increases job opportunities for natives. Over 17 million immigrants arrived in the country in the last 14 years, yet native employment has deteriorated significantly.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

More people are out of work that don't count against unemployment than in over 35 years. Foreign policy is in shambles. We have the slowest growing economy in many, many years. Immigration is a mess. Healthcare is worse than before.

You people are like robots.

When the freaks campaigning for POTUS on your side start giving us specifics regarding how they will grow the economy.....then you can believe that they believe it is so awful.

I can't tell you how stupid you seem when you post garbage like that.

 

[ptbw forever]

Rafael Edwardo Cruz is nasty.

Obama was the one who made a big deal about his name.
Do Democrats ever stop lying?

It is the same thing with you idiots saying "obamacare" is racist or disrespectful to the president.

 

[Toro]

So trump is talking about Carrier closing in the US and moving 1400 jobs to Mexico, there is a video where these people are distraught of course. And I am on the side of the workers make no mistake.

trump though says he would tell Carrier if you move 'he will get consensus and tax Carrier so much their move wouldn't be worth it'.

So by every measure that conservatives 'trump up' about not wanting government to interfere with their lives or business, this certainly qualifies as 'government heavily regulating business'. For trump its to the point of threatening a single company with the overwhelming power of the federal government.

Simply put, this represents, in its most naked form, conservative ideas?

Trump isn't a conservative.

This isn't conservative economics.

 

[Toro]

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.

That's just simply factually incorrect.

 

[Avatar4321]

Rafael Edwardo Cruz is nasty.

This is an endorsement for Cruz

For the GOP, it's definitively an endorsement.

I agree. Any time you attack a Republican you are endorsing them. After all, if someone drinking the koolaid as much as you are needs to lie about Cruz, he has to be good

 

[Faun]

Bullshit.

What part of Record do you not understand?
Record 94,031,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Stuck at 38-Year Low for 3rd Straight Month

How predictable of you to switch from full time employed folks to those not in the labor force when called on your bullshit.

The only reason those two numbers don't mesh is if we had a large increase in births these past few years, and we haven't. The increase to the full time numbers, you use, is due to IMMIGRANTS. Which is my point. ie people who aren't Americans.

More bullshit.

More jobs under Obama have been filled by American born people than foreign born, many of whom, are also U.S. citizens.

If truth and reality was on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like you do.

Facts are on my side.
All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

Government data show that since 2000 all of the net gain in the number of working-age (16 to 65) people holding a job has gone to immigrants (legal and illegal).

All of the net increase in employment went to immigrants in the last 14 years partly because, even before the Great Recession, immigrants were gaining a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth. In addition, natives' losses were somewhat greater during the recession and immigrants have recovered more quickly from it. With 58 million working-age natives not working, the Schumer-Rubio bill (S.744) and similar House measures that would substantially increase the number of foreign workers allowed in the country seem out of touch with the realities of the U.S. labor market.

Three conclusions can be drawn from this analysis:

• First, the long-term decline in the employment for natives across age and education levels is a clear indication that there is no general labor shortage, which is a primary justification for the large increases in immigration (skilled and unskilled) in the Schumer-Rubio bill and similar House proposals.
  
  
• Second, the decline in work among the native-born over the last 14 years of high immigration is consistent with research showing that immigration reduces employment for natives.
  
  
• Third, the trends since 2000 challenge the argument that immigration on balance increases job opportunities for natives. Over 17 million immigrants arrived in the country in the last 14 years, yet native employment has deteriorated significantly.

You just can't stop lying, can you, you POS? Typical conservative. Let me remind you with what you actually said (with emphasis added)...

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

That is complete unadulterated bullshit. As the numbers I gave you links to demonstrate, most jobs under Obama went to American-born people. Even more so since the recovery from Great Recession began.

Furthermore, you conservative bigot, while you refer to foreign born folks as "immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place," the fact of the matter is most immigrants here are here legally. In fact, many of them are U.S. citizens.

And lastly, I point to the massive lie you told. While you initially pointed to the Obama years for jobs mostly going to immigrants, to back your claim, you point to an article dating back to 2000. Meaning if your article is correct that 100% of job growth since 2000 has gone to immigrants, it's because of Bush and not Obama; since most jobs under Obama went to native born Americans.

Like I said, and I reiterate -- if truth and reality was on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like you do.

 

[rdean]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

What part of Record do you not understand?
Record 94,031,000 Americans Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Stuck at 38-Year Low for 3rd Straight Month

Those number have already been debunked asswipe. More than 54 million of those 90 (not 94) million are OVER 65. Another 15 million over 75. Millions more between 16 and 19. Keep going and we are doing remarkable well.
Like Trump says, you kind lies. A lot.

 

[rdean]

Rafael Edwardo Cruz is nasty.

This is an endorsement for Cruz

For the GOP, it's definitively an endorsement.

I agree. Any time you attack a Republican you are endorsing them. After all, if someone drinking the koolaid as much as you are needs to lie about Cruz, he has to be good

What's the lie? That his name is Rafael Edwardo Cruz?

 

[leftwinger]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

ahhh........here I go again. $10T/10mil jobs == $1mil/job. not worth it for part time phony CVS jobs.
Could have handed out $67K to 150mil working American families instead over BHO eight years. I don't want to pay political debt + interest every year, no sirreee Bob.

 

[Faun]

Rubio just said that if our next president is HALF as great as Ronald Reagan - our country will be greater than it's ever been.

What the hell does that mean? That don't make no sense. Wouldn't the country only be HALF as great?

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

ahhh........here I go again. $10T/10mil jobs == $1mil/job. not worth it for part time phony CVS jobs.
Could have handed out $67K to 150mil working American families instead over BHO eight years. I don't want to pay political debt + interest every year, no sirreee Bob.

Under Bush we got only 4 million jobs for $5 trillion. Looks like Obama's numbers are a bargain.

 

[rdean]

It means Obama sucks. But you're right the math doesn't add up. Sounds like a good MSNBC sound bite.

Obama has dropped unemployment from 10.0% to 4.9%
Obama has created 10 million jobs..The majority being private sector!
Obama has lowered the price of gas and we're pumping more oil out of our ground at any time in the history of our country.

We'd have to be growing at China levels for you to be right.

Fewer Americans have full time jobs than ever.
Obama unemployment numbers are fueled by mostly immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Bullshit.

ahhh........here I go again. $10T/10mil jobs == $1mil/job. not worth it for part time phony CVS jobs.
Could have handed out $67K to 150mil working American families instead over BHO eight years. I don't want to pay political debt + interest every year, no sirreee Bob.

Under Bush we got only 4 million jobs for $5 trillion. Looks like Obama's numbers are a bargain.

But weren't the majority of those jobs in China?