Rep. Paul Says Defense Bill Assures 'Descent Into Totalitarianism...

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Totally unnecessary Bullshit. Big Brother is out of control. It's hard to fathom how they can still be milking 911 all these years later. All because a couple of Terrorist assholes attacked us one time ten years ago. How many more rights are they gonna take away from us in the name of 'Security?' How much more power & control does Big Brother need to fight the Terrorist Boogeyman? But the most important question is,why are so many Americans just going along with this descent into Totalitarianism? Is it all just fear?

What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

You have been spammed this answer many time. Just like the bill you said you know NOTHING ABOUT you chose to not know the answer.

Gramps give up, you have become a joke on these boards. You are willfully ignorant then demand your option hold some amount of credibility.

The very bill you don't know anything about takes away everyone’s personal rights... You would know this if all you did was casually sit back and listen... But the blinders are on and the hate for Paul overwhelms your ability to educate yourself in fear you might agree with him.

He swings, and he misses. Strike one.

Pitch two: What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

It's the exact same pitch. Maybe this time you can hit it? And the reason I keep asking is because no one ever answers.

 

[Avorysuds]

I didn't condemn, I lol'd

It's easy to take a position against something when you don't vote. It's the same shit Obama did when he was in the state legislature and we all called him out for it.

My personal opinion of the bill is moot as I don't know all the details as you claim to.

If you don't even know what the bill is about then wtf are you doing here? Oh, Trolling the Paul supporters another issue that you self admittedly don't even understand... Shocking, lol.

Gramps, you sure do know how to own yourself.

BTW, if this make Paul like Obama than that means you might be able to vote for him over Obama if he wins the nomination right? You know cuz you said you could vote Obama in 2012…

As I have said Gramps, what are you not a huge Progressive Liberal on.

I will never vote for Paul. Ever, the man would destroy our country. Maybe even faster than Obama has.

Lucky you Gramps! You have a man you agree with 90% of his policies, Obama to vote for in the case a conservative wins the nomination. Maybe you will get lucky and get a flip flopping Neocon like Newt who used to support almost every Obama position, and sometimes goes back on his flip flop to re support Obama's position!

 

[Avorysuds]

What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

You have been spammed this answer many time. Just like the bill you said you know NOTHING ABOUT you chose to not know the answer.

Gramps give up, you have become a joke on these boards. You are willfully ignorant then demand your option hold some amount of credibility.

The very bill you don't know anything about takes away everyone’s personal rights... You would know this if all you did was casually sit back and listen... But the blinders are on and the hate for Paul overwhelms your ability to educate yourself in fear you might agree with him.

He swings, and he misses. Strike one.

Pitch two: What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

It's the exact same pitch. Maybe this time you can hit it? And the reason I keep asking is because no one ever answers.

Uhh, the right to a fair trial and blah blah blah.... Are you fucking retarded????? I don't actually have to get rounded up, stuck in a prison and tortured for 5 years to lose a right... You do understand this Gramps, please tell me you understand this, it's REALLY basic.

 

[Mr.Nick]

GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul warned that the National Defense Authorization Act, which was passed by Congress this month, will accelerate the country’s “slip into tyranny” and virtually assures “our descent into totalitarianism.”


“The founders wanted to set a high bar for the government to overcome in order to deprive an individual of life or liberty,” Paul, the libertarian congressman, said Monday in a weekly phone message to supporters. “To lower that bar is to endanger everyone. When the bar is low enough to include political enemies, our descent into totalitarianism is virtually assured. The Patriot Act, as bad as its violations against the Fourth Amendment was, was just one step down the slippery slope. The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act continues that slip into tyranny, and in fact, accelerates it significantly.”

The NDAA is the nearly $670 billion defense spending bill that covers the military budget and funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

One controversial provision mandates the detention of terror suspects and reaffirms the administration’s authority to detain those suspected of having ties to terrorist organizations.

“The Fifth Amendment is about much more than the right to remain silent in the face of government questioning,” Paul continued. “It contains very basic and very critical stipulations about the due process of law. The government cannot imprison a person for no reason and with no evidence presented and without access to legal council. The danger of the NDAA is its alarmingly vague, undefined criteria for who can be indefinitely detained by the U.S. government without trial.”

“It is no longer limited to members of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, but anyone accused of substantially supporting such groups or associated forces,” Paul continued. “How closely associated, and what constitutes substantial support? What if it was discovered that someone who committed a terrorist act was once involved with a charity? Or suppose a political candidate? Are all donors of that candidate or supporters of that candidate now suspects and subject to indefinite detainment? Is that charity now an associated force?”

Read More:
Rep. Paul says defense bill assures
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

The Patriot Act has certainly been abused..

These pieces of legislation grant more power to the government..

At first I believed ideas like the Patriot Act were good ideas initially, however they've been massively abused and precedent has been reached for our government to do basically whatever the fuck they want.

For example its a felony to video tape a cop in Illinois .... Where you think they got the precedent to pass that shit??? the Patriot Act....

In all honesty its the democrats who abuse legislation like the Patriot Act...

Chicago has been a democratic city since forever and big brother is everywhere. There are fucking cameras on every street corner and now they take pictures of everyone they pull over - oh and they have this new technology that captures license plates and runs them through a data base to see if the driver has any tickets, or a past history with the law.

The police around here are fucking totalitarian Nazi's and they only get away with the shit they do because of totalitarian tyrannical abused legislation such as the Patriot Act, and other legislation slipped into bills being presented as "defense bills."

I'm totally pro-military however sometimes bills are portrayed as one thing but in reality present another purpose.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You have been spammed this answer many time. Just like the bill you said you know NOTHING ABOUT you chose to not know the answer.

Gramps give up, you have become a joke on these boards. You are willfully ignorant then demand your option hold some amount of credibility.

The very bill you don't know anything about takes away everyone’s personal rights... You would know this if all you did was casually sit back and listen... But the blinders are on and the hate for Paul overwhelms your ability to educate yourself in fear you might agree with him.

He swings, and he misses. Strike one.

Pitch two: What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

It's the exact same pitch. Maybe this time you can hit it? And the reason I keep asking is because no one ever answers.

Uhh, the right to a fair trial and blah blah blah.... Are you fucking retarded????? I don't actually have to get rounded up, stuck in a prison and tortured for 5 years to lose a right... You do understand this Gramps, please tell me you understand this, it's REALLY basic.

You were charged with a crime and didn't get a fair trial?

He swings, and he misses.
Strike two.

 

[Avorysuds]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

Apparently he was too busy to show up and vote against it.

Right, he should have flown back D.C. because his vote would have stopped it.

It passed overwhelmingly 283 - 136 with 14 not voting.

This is why your posts ObamaCare carry no weight with me. You're not totally honest. You could be but I think you choose not to.

Good point, very dishonest of me to link directly to the vote so no one would ever see the tally.

The fact remains: Paul's rhetoric doesn't match his actions. Presidential candidates miss votes all the time; but when they miss votes on legislation that they claim "will accelerate the country’s 'slip into tyranny' and virtually assures 'our descent into totalitarianism'" to schmooze in New Hampshire, that's a little different. Particularly when half of the candidate's shtick is based on being the "principled" candidate who isn't afraid to be on the losing side of an important vote.

One more point I'd like to make for you GB...

I just happened to take a look at the link I posted about the Patriot act... Guess who voted for it? OBAMA!!!!

Now let’s take the bill that is going to OBAMA'S desk... If Obama signs it, what then GB? Whose rhetoric does not match their voting record? Something tells me you will still vote Obama…

Obama said he wouldn't sign it, now he says he will.

 

[paulitician]

Big Brother just can't get enough of that milking 911 stuff. Ten Years later and they're still taking more of our rights away. I guess they now have what they wanted. An indefinite 'War on Terror.'

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul warned that the National Defense Authorization Act, which was passed by Congress this month, will accelerate the country’s “slip into tyranny” and virtually assures “our descent into totalitarianism.”


“The founders wanted to set a high bar for the government to overcome in order to deprive an individual of life or liberty,” Paul, the libertarian congressman, said Monday in a weekly phone message to supporters. “To lower that bar is to endanger everyone. When the bar is low enough to include political enemies, our descent into totalitarianism is virtually assured. The Patriot Act, as bad as its violations against the Fourth Amendment was, was just one step down the slippery slope. The recently passed National Defense Authorization Act continues that slip into tyranny, and in fact, accelerates it significantly.”

The NDAA is the nearly $670 billion defense spending bill that covers the military budget and funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

One controversial provision mandates the detention of terror suspects and reaffirms the administration’s authority to detain those suspected of having ties to terrorist organizations.

“The Fifth Amendment is about much more than the right to remain silent in the face of government questioning,” Paul continued. “It contains very basic and very critical stipulations about the due process of law. The government cannot imprison a person for no reason and with no evidence presented and without access to legal council. The danger of the NDAA is its alarmingly vague, undefined criteria for who can be indefinitely detained by the U.S. government without trial.”

“It is no longer limited to members of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, but anyone accused of substantially supporting such groups or associated forces,” Paul continued. “How closely associated, and what constitutes substantial support? What if it was discovered that someone who committed a terrorist act was once involved with a charity? Or suppose a political candidate? Are all donors of that candidate or supporters of that candidate now suspects and subject to indefinite detainment? Is that charity now an associated force?”

Read More:
Rep. Paul says defense bill assures
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

The Patriot Act has certainly been abused..

These pieces of legislation grant more power to the government..

At first I believed ideas like the Patriot Act were good ideas initially, however they've been massively abused and precedent has been reached for our government to do basically whatever the fuck they want.

For example its a felony to video tape a cop in Illinois .... Where you think they got the precedent to pass that shit??? the Patriot Act....

In all honesty its the democrats who abuse legislation like the Patriot Act...

Chicago has been a democratic city since forever and big brother is everywhere. There are fucking cameras on every street corner and now they take pictures of everyone they pull over - oh and they have this new technology that captures license plates and runs them through a data base to see if the driver has any tickets, or a past history with the law.

The police around here are fucking totalitarian Nazi's and they only get away with the shit they do because of totalitarian tyrannical abused legislation such as the Patriot Act, and other legislation slipped into bills being presented as "defense bills."

I'm totally pro-military however sometimes bills are portrayed as one thing but in reality present another purpose.

Those plate laws or abilities have nothing to do with the patriot act. Whenever I got pulled over in the late eighties and nineties I was always asked one question first. What were you in prison for and where are you going. The criminal database has been around forever and it is a good thing. Allbeit annoying when your on the receiving end, but that is my doing. Tracking criminals and terrorists is smart.

 

[uscitizen]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

Apparently he was too busy to show up and vote against it.

If you check out Pauls voting history he may talk like a Libertarian but he mostly votes like a Republican.
And interestingly enough Bachman did not vote either....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Big Brother just can't get enough of that milking 911 stuff. Ten Years later and they're still taking more of our rights away. I guess they now have what they wanted. An indefinite 'War on Terror.'

You spew your rhetoric but NEVER answer my question.

WHAT RIGHTS HAVE YOU LOST???

 

[Avorysuds]

He swings, and he misses. Strike one.

Pitch two: What personal RIGHTS have YOU lost?

It's the exact same pitch. Maybe this time you can hit it? And the reason I keep asking is because no one ever answers.

Uhh, the right to a fair trial and blah blah blah.... Are you fucking retarded????? I don't actually have to get rounded up, stuck in a prison and tortured for 5 years to lose a right... You do understand this Gramps, please tell me you understand this, it's REALLY basic.

You were charged with a crime and didn't get a fair trial?

He swings, and he misses.
Strike two.

Wow... Can you possibly make a bigger ass of yourself? Gramps, do you know how “rights” work?

You have the right to protest, however if you never protest guess what Gramps, you still have that right...

You have a second amendment right to own a gun… But just because you don’t does not mean you don’t have the right too.

You have the right to a fair trial… Now if the Government CAN up and tosses you in a secret prison, well then it’s no longer a right, it’s a possibility……………… …………….. ………………………………..

 

[Avorysuds]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

Apparently he was too busy to show up and vote against it.

If you check out Pauls voting history he may talk like a Libertarian but he mostly votes like a Republican.

Paul is a Republican....

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The rights you lose under the new NDAA 2012 are simple.

Any American citizen (or a foreigner) labeled a terrorist by federal agencies or govt., whether that be because you stock food, buy flashlights, pay in cash, etc..or you are alleged to have connections to terrorist organizations or their affiliates, can be seized and detained, without trial, indefinitely.

If you find nothing wrong with that, you'll be right at home in the new "battlefield" expansion.

Not that it really makes a difference. The last two presidents have been enjoying additional powers under "war time" provisions anyway. This means little to the rest of the world, who may be assassinated via drones or black ops teams, having nothing new to fear from these provisions.

Whether you think Ron Paul is a nut or not, he's correct about this new legislation. it was bound to happen and these powers will continue to squeeze the remaining liberties from the citizens of this country in perpetual war. Some have seen this coming and have spoken out for years that federal government power usurps would eventually lead to war on the citizens to protect the interests of government. History certain has a snarky and humorous way of repeating itself. Not that anyone in this country cares about history.

Nike released new shoes!

 

[paulitician]

"We cannot defend Freedom abroad by deserting it at Home." - Edward R. Murrow

That's a really good quote. It seems like that's exactly what we're doing with this indefinite 'War on Terror.' All these Wars for Freedom abroad while here at home they're taking it way from us. So what good are all these Wars?

 

[paulitician]

"A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you." - Ramsey Clark

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Uhh, the right to a fair trial and blah blah blah.... Are you fucking retarded????? I don't actually have to get rounded up, stuck in a prison and tortured for 5 years to lose a right... You do understand this Gramps, please tell me you understand this, it's REALLY basic.

You were charged with a crime and didn't get a fair trial?

He swings, and he misses.
Strike two.

Wow... Can you possibly make a bigger ass of yourself? Gramps, do you know how “rights” work?

You have the right to protest, however if you never protest guess what Gramps, you still have that right...

You have a second amendment right to own a gun… But just because you don’t does not mean you don’t have the right too.

You have the right to a fair trial… Now if the Government CAN up and tosses you in a secret prison, well then it’s no longer a right, it’s a possibility……………… …………….. ………………………………..

STRIKE THREE. Your out. Nothing but hypothetical nonsense.

 

[uscitizen]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

Apparently he was too busy to show up and vote against it.

If you check out Pauls voting history he may talk like a Libertarian but he mostly votes like a Republican.

Paul is a Republican....

Yep.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The rights you lose under the new NDAA 2012 are simple.

Any American citizen (or a foreigner) labeled a terrorist by federal agencies or govt., whether that be because you stock food, buy flashlights, pay in cash, etc..or you are alleged to have connections to terrorist organizations or their affiliates, can be seized and detained, without trial, indefinitely.

If you find nothing wrong with that, you'll be right at home in the new "battlefield" expansion.

Not that it really makes a difference. The last two presidents have been enjoying additional powers under "war time" provisions anyway. This means little to the rest of the world, who may be assassinated via drones or black ops teams, having nothing new to fear from these provisions.

Whether you think Ron Paul is a nut or not, he's correct about this new legislation. it was bound to happen and these powers will continue to squeeze the remaining liberties from the citizens of this country in perpetual war. Some have seen this coming and have spoken out for years that federal government power usurps would eventually lead to war on the citizens to protect the interests of government. History certain has a snarky and humorous way of repeating itself. Not that anyone in this country cares about history.

Nike released new shoes!

Talk about fear mongering. Now if I buy too much food or too many batteries they are going to imprison me? Sheer nonsense. You can make anything a negative when taken out of context. And if I give aid to a terrorist I deserve more than imprisonment.

 

[paulitician]

"It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue." - Sam Adams

Another fantastic quote. Obviously the minority in the cause of freedom and liberty are being shouted down and ridiculed in this country. It's very obvious the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons are perfectly happy with the way things are going. But their smug ridicule really is very sad though. They are not honorable.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just because Paul was very far away and very busy does not mean his actions don't reflect his rhetoric.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. To listen to his rhetoric, this was the single most important vote of the 112th Congress and, apparently, the end of the republic.

If he truly believes that, then "oh, it was going to pass anyway" or "he was busy trying to advance his political career" doesn't quite seem to cut it. It may pain you to realize this but Ron Paul is a politician, just like everyone else in this race.