Religions which predate Judaism didn't forbid or condemn homosexuality

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Ancient Greek religions didn't even differentiate between gay and straight relationships. Sex was sex. Wasn't until Judaism and Christianity came along that religion became synonymous with anti-humanism, repression and suppression, and cruelty.

One of the things we see in cults is the leader controlling who gets to have sex with whom. And mainstream religions do it too but on a much larger scale. And as if that weren't bad enough, often times religions try to dictate to the whole of humanity. Used to be there were many reliigons happily co-existing side by side. Think of the old period movies where preachers stood in the market aspousing their beliefs many at a time. Or the temple district or section of a city where temples of vastly different beliefs were lined up one after another. Those days are long gone.

Nowadays, by design I think, churches and temples and mosques are in semi-exclusive areas far removed from the sight of one another as if to indicate they exist all by themselves. And their way is the only way (as opposed to being in proximity of one another which would indicate their's is just one among many ways.)

So-called 'mainstream religions' today have more in common with small destructive cults than they do with anything good and positive. Religion used to enhance life, not diminish it. Religions used to acknowledge they're one amongst many just like people. Religions used to be something we enjoyed and had fun participating in. But now religions are a burden. When someone starts talking about God, most of us walk away. We remember what religion was supposed to be about, yet cringe when ever someone starts talking in the name of God as if they're somehow authorized to do so. If not about money, it's about social control. It's like having another government trying to control our daily life. And considering how most of us resent government having too much control over us, that we tolerate it from religion is surprising.
 
Thankfully there were no wars or child sacrifice before those nasty religions.
Another embarrassing thread.
When are you EVER going to let us know from which cereal box you received your formal Torah education?
 
Ancient Greek religions didn't even differentiate between gay and straight relationships. Sex was sex. Wasn't until Judaism and Christianity came along that religion became synonymous with anti-humanism, repression and suppression, and cruelty.

One of the things we see in cults is the leader controlling who gets to have sex with whom. And mainstream religions do it too but on a much larger scale. And as if that weren't bad enough, often times religions try to dictate to the whole of humanity. Used to be there were many reliigons happily co-existing side by side. Think of the old period movies where preachers stood in the market aspousing their beliefs many at a time. Or the temple district or section of a city where temples of vastly different beliefs were lined up one after another. Those days are long gone.

Nowadays, by design I think, churches and temples and mosques are in semi-exclusive areas far removed from the sight of one another as if to indicate they exist all by themselves. And their way is the only way (as opposed to being in proximity of one another which would indicate their's is just one among many ways.)

So-called 'mainstream religions' today have more in common with small destructive cults than they do with anything good and positive. Religion used to enhance life, not diminish it. Religions used to acknowledge they're one amongst many just like people. Religions used to be something we enjoyed and had fun participating in. But now religions are a burden. When someone starts talking about God, most of us walk away. We remember what religion was supposed to be about, yet cringe when ever someone starts talking in the name of God as if they're somehow authorized to do so. If not about money, it's about social control. It's like having another government trying to control our daily life. And considering how most of us resent government having too much control over us, that we tolerate it from religion is surprising.

So convert already and quit telling us about it, then.
 

Sacred prostitution in ancient Mesopotamia involved females as well as boys and young men. You could go up into the Temple of Ishtar and experience some wild, euphoric sex as a way to direct Mana to the Gods...

Think about that. Sacred Prostitution. Beautiful, isn't it?
 
I didn't read the OP because I am sure that the idiot made another stupid illogical garbage post.

X in the past didn't forbid Y so that's why Z shouldn't either is just stupid stupid stupid.
 
Did I guess the idiot's post content correctly from the title?

Or was the post even more stupid than that?
 

Sacred prostitution in ancient Mesopotamia involved females as well as boys and young men. You could go up into the Temple of Ishtar and experience some wild, euphoric sex as a way to direct Mana to the Gods...

Think about that. Sacred Prostitution. Beautiful, isn't it?

Earliest form of Christianity practised 'sacred prostitution' as well. Hospitality's always been a big thing to middle eastern cultures, and making sure your guests are 'well in hand' shall we say (heh) was considered simple hospitality.

Sacred Prostitution in the Story of Judah and Tamar 8211 Biblical Archaeology Society
 
they didn't forbid human sacrifice either.

so I suppose it's perfectly okay to kill another person
 
We didn't agree with the religions that demanded human sacrifice, either......

Actually... I condone human sacrifice.

Ritual human sacrifice generates an enormous amount of Mana.

In the O9A, we refer to a human sacrifice as an "opfer".
 
Sacred prostitution in ancient Mesopotamia involved females as well as boys and young men. You could go up into the Temple of Ishtar and experience some wild, euphoric sex as a way to direct Mana to the Gods...

Think about that. Sacred Prostitution. Beautiful, isn't it?

Earliest form of Christianity practised 'sacred prostitution' as well. Hospitality's always been a big thing to middle eastern cultures, and making sure your guests are 'well in hand' shall we say (heh) was considered simple hospitality.

Sacred Prostitution in the Story of Judah and Tamar 8211 Biblical Archaeology Society
???....you should read your sources before you paste them.....this wasn't a Jewish tradition, it was the religion of Ashtoreth.......
 
???....you should read your sources before you paste them.....this wasn't a Jewish tradition, it was the religion of Ashtoreth.......

I read it. Wasn't referencing the article below with the remarks above. Be the other way around if I were.
well, if your link had nothing to do with the claim "Earliest form of Christianity practised 'sacred prostitution' as well.", where is your link supporting THAT claim.....
 
No, they're not. Can cross-check on biblegateway at your leisure. I already have and wouldn't have offered it otherwise. But for the differences between grammar with different versions of a Bible, the meanings are accurate.
 
well, if your link had nothing to do with the claim "Earliest form of Christianity practised 'sacred prostitution' as well.", where is your link supporting THAT claim.....

Can I hold you responsible from now on for every assertion you make, asking for your source, or are some things just accepted as a given as here?

Sacred Prostitution

"The Israelites left Egypt for Canaan where their ancestors once lived. They defeated the Canaanites in battle and occupied their land but assumed Canaanite religious cult practices and shared in their religious beliefs. Among those cult practices was sacred prostitution which Israelites practiced along with their neighbors. In time the practice came under criticism from certain Israelite priests who believed that it rendered Israelites impure or unclean in their relationship with Yahweh.

Sacred prostitution involved both female and male cult prostitutes. Young male Israelites who engaged in homosexual sacred prostitution were referred to as "dogs" by Jewish Deuteronomic reformers in the 7th century B.C., as mentioned in Chapter I. Deut. 23:17, 18 reads: "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the Lord thy God.""

This establishes the practice in Judaism.

Can Google

gnostic sacred prostitution

and take your pick. Impossible to read about gnostics (earliest Christians) without bumping into the terms.

The earliest form of Christianity involving contemporaries of Yeshua is almost a total opposite to what it became after the Catholics were through wiping them out. Female priests, sacred prostitution, etc. The schizm between the Gnostics, and the early Catholic church is well documented.
 
Dear @Delta4Embassy
I would be more specific and not say it is the Judeo-Christian religion
but the patriarchal culture that put such an emphasis on laws on sex and marriage and adultery.

In general, the cultural trend of primogeniture, passing the ownership of land and property from father to son
made it legally necessary to know that one's sons are one's own and not from adultery.
with Matriarchal cultures that predated this, women heads of households did not have
legal issues but knew their daughters were theirs; men do not have this advantage and
so part of the legal emphasis was to ensure women and children were protected property of the men's estates.

If you look at what instigated the genocide of female-dominant cultures and worship,
it was the men leaders taking control of whole cultures and having to wipe out goddess and pagan worship
to enforce laws on property including women and children.

NOTE: The Buddhist faith was developed independently of the Judeo-Christian laws.
The teachings also warn against the misuse of sexual desire and misconduct.

So similar to the teachings against adultery for being unhealthy or inconsistent with contractual agreements,
the Buddhists also teach that sexual misconduct is related to false desire and suffering.

The root issue is to respect spiritual relationships.

What you are complaining about, with the religious domination and control,
is a political element that is not supposed to be part of the actual spiritual laws,
but occurred because of the political context in which mankind is developing socially.

I have brought up this issue about where the "patriarchal politics and domination" came from.
I thought it was from the marriage laws where the men fight for political and legal control over their estates.

Another friend said it was from the division economically between men as meathunters which is valued more,
versus women and field workers as agricultural gatherers which is valued less.

Either way, we agreed that there was an imbalance of power and status socially between men and women,
but it because how the economic and political systems are set up to define values a certain way.

It is not from the pure spiritual teachings in these laws; those get corrupted when they are implemented
and enforced in an imperfect world biased with human politics that is already messed up.

The pure message in the laws is not to commit adultery or breach relations because it causes harm or suffering.
That is just natural law. There are no politics behind that in itself.

The politics comes from our cultural systems that are out of balance while humanity is still developing
and is not fully mature yet. We are still studying our past and trying to understand where things came from and where all this is going. So the biases in our culture along the way cause these problems, but I would not blame the Judeo-Christian faith by itself. If you read the book "Saving Paradise" the early church got taken over by the crusade type politics, which isn't the message in the Bible and Christianity. The politics is separate from the faith.

Ancient Greek religions didn't even differentiate between gay and straight relationships. Sex was sex. Wasn't until Judaism and Christianity came along that religion became synonymous with anti-humanism, repression and suppression, and cruelty.

One of the things we see in cults is the leader controlling who gets to have sex with whom. And mainstream religions do it too but on a much larger scale. And as if that weren't bad enough, often times religions try to dictate to the whole of humanity. Used to be there were many reliigons happily co-existing side by side. Think of the old period movies where preachers stood in the market aspousing their beliefs many at a time. Or the temple district or section of a city where temples of vastly different beliefs were lined up one after another. Those days are long gone.

Nowadays, by design I think, churches and temples and mosques are in semi-exclusive areas far removed from the sight of one another as if to indicate they exist all by themselves. And their way is the only way (as opposed to being in proximity of one another which would indicate their's is just one among many ways.)

So-called 'mainstream religions' today have more in common with small destructive cults than they do with anything good and positive. Religion used to enhance life, not diminish it. Religions used to acknowledge they're one amongst many just like people. Religions used to be something we enjoyed and had fun participating in. But now religions are a burden. When someone starts talking about God, most of us walk away. We remember what religion was supposed to be about, yet cringe when ever someone starts talking in the name of God as if they're somehow authorized to do so. If not about money, it's about social control. It's like having another government trying to control our daily life. And considering how most of us resent government having too much control over us, that we tolerate it from religion is surprising.
 

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