"Religion and Ethics?"

[Jenseen]

As though they are interchangeable, and go together with one another?

 

[emilynghiem]

Jenseen it's like morals and ethics.
One is about what you should do morally,
one is about what you shouldn't do ethically.

Moral codes cannot be legislated or mandated by govt, because that's generally the role of religion or churches.
But ethics, such as policing conflicts of interest, or regulating medical practice etc and health/safety codes for business,
fall under either company policies if they are private/inhouse or public policies through govt if they involve public institutions and govt.

www.ethics-commission.net

Codes of ethics are what govt officials and agencies can be held to.

But telling people that ALL CITIZENS should follow the same Constitutional standards and ethics that is required of govt,
becomes a MORAL choice and cannot be required of citizens by govt. Only govt is required by law to follow certain principles.

Morally it makes sense that citizens and party leaders, also religious, business and other corporate organizations,
should also follow these same standards, but legally this isn't required. It's a moral choice like religion.

 

[Montrovant]

Oh no, religion and ethics got merged into one forum on a political message board? For shame!

 

[Meriweather]

As though they are interchangeable, and go together with one another?

Often they do, but in fact, were they the exact same thing, then we would only have one word for them.

Is there one specific issue you are seeing them as being polar opposites? Or one where the two should be working together, but are not?

 

[emilynghiem]

As though they are interchangeable, and go together with one another?

Often they do, but in fact, were they the exact same thing, then we would only have one word for them.

Is there one specific issue you are seeing them as being polar opposites? Or one where the two should be working together, but are not?

Dear Meriweather and Montrovant
Often what we should do morally and what we shouldn't do ethically
DO NEED to be discussed together.

For example, with the health care debate about the role of govt.
Liberals believe it is imperative, like a moral requirement, that govt provide universal health care for all citizens as a right.
But Conservatives believe it is unethical to violate the Constitutional limits on govt to abuse it for micromanaging social programs,
especially compelling people to pay for such services outside or against their Constitutional beliefs, and dictating/regulating their choices that should remain private.

So the question is really how to allow the Liberals to exercise their BELIEFS or political religion that health care is a natural right,
while NOT violating the Constitutional beliefs, principles and ethics of Conservatives who equally BELIEVE in limited govt under Constitutional restraints
and democratic process.

(Likewise with the right to life conflicts, the Conservatives argue for the moral imperative to protect the life of unborn persons, while the Liberals argue for ethical restraints on govt NOT to be abused to establish faith based biases or beliefs and/or to violate due process by criminalizing abortion where it affects women disproportionately as the men equally if not more responsible for unwanted pregnancies.)

 

[Meriweather]

Dear Meriweather and Montrovant
Often what we should do morally and what we shouldn't do ethically
DO NEED to be discussed together.

For example, with the health care debate about the role of govt.
Liberals believe it is imperative, like a moral requirement, that govt provide universal health care for all citizens as a right.
But Conservatives believe it is unethical to violate the Constitutional limits on govt to abuse it for micromanaging social programs,
especially compelling people to pay for such services outside or against their Constitutional beliefs, and dictating/regulating their choices that should remain private.

So the question is really how to allow the Liberals to exercise their BELIEFS or political religion that health care is a natural right,
while NOT violating the Constitutional beliefs, principles and ethics of Conservatives who equally BELIEVE in limited govt under Constitutional restraints
and democratic process.

Religion and ethics are both philosophies, but this does not mean they are the same philosophy.

More in line with what you are outlining is the saying: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

Which is more ethical? Making citizens dependent on government giving them their fish each day, or teaching them to fish for themselves?

Conservatives are not blind to the fact some will need to be given a fish each day due to old age, illness, or incapacitation. If both Conservatives and Liberals would agree that we need a program to feed and care for these (as opposed to doing the same for those capable of fishing) they would discover there is no reason to fight.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Oh no, religion and ethics got merged into one forum on a political message board? For shame

They are quite separate topics. At many times, they are complete opposites.

 

[Montrovant]

Oh no, religion and ethics got merged into one forum on a political message board? For shame

They are quite separate topics. At many times, they are complete opposites.

And yet, again, this is a political message board. There's no reason either topic has to have its own separate forum.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Oh no, religion and ethics got merged into one forum on a political message board? For shame

They are quite separate topics. At many times, they are complete opposites.

And yet, again, this is a political message board. There's no reason either topic has to have its own separate forum.

Save for clarity. But, other than that....

 

[Montrovant]

Oh no, religion and ethics got merged into one forum on a political message board? For shame

They are quite separate topics. At many times, they are complete opposites.

And yet, again, this is a political message board. There's no reason either topic has to have its own separate forum.

Save for clarity. But, other than that....

Most of the threads in this forum revolve around religion. Ethics may have been added so as not to exclude non-believers.

The combination has never bothered me.