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us presence in the middle east......
it's a lot more than just a presence. we've been meddling in the M.E. for the better part of a century. Our policies have been poor, our choice of "friends" even worse.
us presence in the middle east......
Ding! Ding! Ding!
And what do we have for the winner, Johnny?
Why it's a first class ticket to Red China where he can kill babies with the rest of the rational ... erm ... I mean blame America first crowd.
Wonder why the whole world dosen't hate Germany? doyathink?
Eliminate Islam and you eliminate 3/4 of violent conflict in the world now, and for the past 2500 years.
Wonder why the whole world dosen't hate Germany? doyathink?
Probably because Hitler's been out of power since the 1940's.
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Sans-serif]ABC reporter John Miller recounts his May 1998 hour-long interview with Osama Bin Laden at his mountaintop camp in southern Afghanistan. The interview took place a little more than two months before Al Qaeda's truckbombings of the two U.S. embassies in East Africa. [/FONT]
"The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists--those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children. "
"We are sure of our victory against the Americans and the Jews as promised by the Prophet: Judgment day shall not come until the Muslim fights the Jew, where the Jew will hide behind trees and stones, and the tree and the stone will speak and say, 'Muslim, behind me is a Jew. Come and kill him.'"
"Your situation with Muslims in Palestine is shameful--if there is any shame left in America. Houses were demolished over the heads of children. Also, by the testimony of relief workers in Iraq, the American-led sanctions resulted in the death of more than one million Iraqi children. All of this is done in the name of American interests. We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not worry about American opinion or the fact that they place prices on our heads. We as Muslims believe our fate is set."
After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians," bin Laden said. "The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat. And America forgot all the hoopla and media propaganda ... about being the world leader and the leader of the New World Order, and after a few blows they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
For the future, bin Laden told me his first priority is to get the American military out of Saudi Arabia, the holiest of lands in Islam.
"Every day the Americans delay their departure, they will receive a new corpse.
Already, U. S. forces have been dealt devastating blows there. Nineteen servicemen were killed in the 1996 bombing of the airforce barracks in Dhahran, and five U. S. military personnel were killed in a similar bombing in Riyadh in 1995. Investigators believe bin Laden is tied at some level to both attacks. Bin Laden said that the American military would leave Saudi Arabia, regardless of the fact that the Saudi royal family welcomes the American presence. "It does not make a difference if the government wants you to stay or leave. You will leave when the youth send you in wooden boxes and coffins. And you will carry in them the bodies of American troops and civilians. This is when you will leave."
Civilians?
"We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa." Bin Laden argued that American outrage at attacks on American civilians constitutes a great double standard. "American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, not even women and children. They are the ones who used bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military? America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying all people."
So we tell the Americans as people," bin Laden said softly, "and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did. This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."
His last words to the camera were, "It is our duty to lead people to the light."
Wonder why the whole world dosen't hate Germany? doyathink?
Probably because Hitler's been out of power since the 1940's.
oh so it's the power thing? jealousy? hey! Germany has been responsible for two world wars and millions and millions of deaths.. go figure.. Okay,, Backe to the BLAME AMERICA FIRST meeting
people are pissed cause America has power.. whoda thunk it??
So, for the people who think the problem is caused by america's involvement in the middle east, what would the answer be, completely leave the area alone, including stopping the support for saudi and egypt's currupt regimes? Or is it too late now? I think if the US just went back to the founding fathers ideals in regard to foreign policy it would take many many years, maybe generations to stop them hating us, so we're kinda trapped now?
Hey, good find Bfgrn, that stuff Ron Paul was saying seemed to make sense. I didn't know the GOP used to be a keep out of others business party, I wonder why they changed. And regarding 'blame america' some people keep saying like it's a bad thing to do, if it is america's fault why can't you blame america?
Wonder why the whole world dosen't hate Germany? doyathink?
Probably because Hitler's been out of power since the 1940's.
oh so it's the power thing? jealousy? hey! Germany has been responsible for two world wars and millions and millions of deaths.. go figure.. Okay,, Backe to the BLAME AMERICA FIRST meeting
people are pissed cause America has power.. whoda thunk it??
Probably because Hitler's been out of power since the 1940's.
oh so it's the power thing? jealousy? hey! Germany has been responsible for two world wars and millions and millions of deaths.. go figure.. Okay,, Backe to the BLAME AMERICA FIRST meeting
well of course I know that,, DUmmie,, I'm just saying if any country should be hated for the damage it's done over the years it is Germany.. Course it's not within your reason to see any of the good your country has done. only the bad.. that's why you are a card carrying member of the BLAME AMERICA FIRST CLUB
so I'll just tell ya ,, the USA was the country that helped out in WW 1 WW 2 Korea,, Bosnia, Kuwait, and now in Afghanistan and Iraq. And President Bush saved millions of lives in Africa.. . fancy that.. But you go on hating the USA.. it's cool.
people are pissed cause America has power.. whoda thunk it??
Germany doesn't currently bomb, occupy, or enact murderous sanctions on Muslim countries, that I'm aware of.
So, for the people who think the problem is caused by america's involvement in the middle east, what would the answer be, completely leave the area alone, including stopping the support for saudi and egypt's currupt regimes? Or is it too late now? I think if the US just went back to the founding fathers ideals in regard to foreign policy it would take many many years, maybe generations to stop them hating us, so we're kinda trapped now?
We stop intervening in their affairs, get our military out of their countries, end all sanctions that only hurt civilians, stop bombing them, and start trying to be diplomatic.
Well..perhaps it makes sense to ask Bin Laden why he wants to terrorize America, eh?
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Sans-serif]ABC reporter John Miller recounts his May 1998 hour-long interview with Osama Bin Laden at his mountaintop camp in southern Afghanistan. The interview took place a little more than two months before Al Qaeda's truckbombings of the two U.S. embassies in East Africa. [/FONT]
"The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists--those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children. "
"We are sure of our victory against the Americans and the Jews as promised by the Prophet: Judgment day shall not come until the Muslim fights the Jew, where the Jew will hide behind trees and stones, and the tree and the stone will speak and say, 'Muslim, behind me is a Jew. Come and kill him.'"
"Your situation with Muslims in Palestine is shameful--if there is any shame left in America. Houses were demolished over the heads of children. Also, by the testimony of relief workers in Iraq, the American-led sanctions resulted in the death of more than one million Iraqi children. All of this is done in the name of American interests. We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not worry about American opinion or the fact that they place prices on our heads. We as Muslims believe our fate is set."
After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians," bin Laden said. "The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat. And America forgot all the hoopla and media propaganda ... about being the world leader and the leader of the New World Order, and after a few blows they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
For the future, bin Laden told me his first priority is to get the American military out of Saudi Arabia, the holiest of lands in Islam.
"Every day the Americans delay their departure, they will receive a new corpse.
Already, U. S. forces have been dealt devastating blows there. Nineteen servicemen were killed in the 1996 bombing of the airforce barracks in Dhahran, and five U. S. military personnel were killed in a similar bombing in Riyadh in 1995. Investigators believe bin Laden is tied at some level to both attacks. Bin Laden said that the American military would leave Saudi Arabia, regardless of the fact that the Saudi royal family welcomes the American presence. "It does not make a difference if the government wants you to stay or leave. You will leave when the youth send you in wooden boxes and coffins. And you will carry in them the bodies of American troops and civilians. This is when you will leave."
Civilians?
"We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa." Bin Laden argued that American outrage at attacks on American civilians constitutes a great double standard. "American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, not even women and children. They are the ones who used bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military? America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying all people."
So we tell the Americans as people," bin Laden said softly, "and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did. This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves."
His last words to the camera were, "It is our duty to lead people to the light."
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BTW, what the hell did Spain do to the Arab world that justifies the bombing of the train in Madrid?
I'm sure they did SOMETHING because we all know, Muslims would NEVER think of bombing without a really good reason...
oh so it's the power thing? jealousy? hey! Germany has been responsible for two world wars and millions and millions of deaths.. go figure.. Okay,, Backe to the BLAME AMERICA FIRST meeting
well of course I know that,, DUmmie,, I'm just saying if any country should be hated for the damage it's done over the years it is Germany.. Course it's not within your reason to see any of the good your country has done. only the bad.. that's why you are a card carrying member of the BLAME AMERICA FIRST CLUB
so I'll just tell ya ,, the USA was the country that helped out in WW 1 WW 2 Korea,, Bosnia, Kuwait, and now in Afghanistan and Iraq. And President Bush saved millions of lives in Africa.. . fancy that.. But you go on hating the USA.. it's cool.
people are pissed cause America has power.. whoda thunk it??
Germany doesn't currently bomb, occupy, or enact murderous sanctions on Muslim countries, that I'm aware of.
well of course I know that,, DUmmie,, I'm just saying if any country should be hated for the damage it's done over the years it is Germany.. Course it's not within your reason to see any of the good your country has done. only the bad.. that's why you are a card carrying member of the BLAME AMERICA FIRST CLUB
so I'll just tell ya ,, the USA was the country that helped out in WW 1 WW 2 Korea,, Bosnia, Kuwait, and now in Afghanistan and Iraq. And President Bush saved millions of lives in Africa.. . fancy that.. But you go on hating the USA.. it's cool.
So, for the people who think the problem is caused by america's involvement in the middle east, what would the answer be, completely leave the area alone, including stopping the support for saudi and egypt's currupt regimes? Or is it too late now? I think if the US just went back to the founding fathers ideals in regard to foreign policy it would take many many years, maybe generations to stop them hating us, so we're kinda trapped now?
We stop intervening in their affairs, get our military out of their countries, end all sanctions that only hurt civilians, stop bombing them, and start trying to be diplomatic.
That's right, complete capitulation to Islam. Submission! This is exactly what their Koran tells them to demand, and they will laugh at us when we do it.
They kill their own people for converting to Christianity. You honestly think they give a shit about our borders?
