Real Racism

[Scorpion]

I'd like to know why anyone would think it permissible to base a prospective students admission to university, or not, on his/her ethnic background.
The primary determinant should be academic acheivement

 

[PoliticalChic]

So Michelle Malkin was full of shit when she got upset at being called a banana?

Did you really feel that this was a response to the truth of my post?

Are you incapable of answering the question?

I'd rather explore the issue.
As follows.



1. The aim of the Left/Democrats/Liberals is to pat black folk on the head, and say 'I'm here to help you.'

2. That 'help' is keeping them in need.



3. The window dressing is to heap contumely on any who use a word deemed 'racist....'
but all one need do is look at the cities run by Left/Democrats/Liberals and see that the 'help' they are providing is along the lines of the '1984' meaning of words: the opposite.

a. Liberals set out to destroy the black family. “…national data covering decennial years from 1890 to 1920 show that blacks out-married whites despite a consistent shortage of black males due to their higher rates of mortality.” http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

Then, along came Left/Democrats/Liberals 'help.'




4. To hide their own role in the suppression of a black middle class, liberals promoted the myth that it was slavery alone that had produced dystopian culture.

a. The entire press corps dedicated itself to clamping down on anyone that looked askance at the dysfunctional black culture.

b. Look closely at film footage of Martin Luther King’s campaigns, and note impeccably dressed audiences in sober business clothes: middle class gatherings of married parents and intact families. Destroyed by malignant reformers.
Coulter, "Mugged."




5. Justice means choice. The choice must be by recourse and devotion to laws made impartially, without respect to individuals, and applied impartially. If “fairness” is associated with group-identity, with all of the associated accommodations, law will be reduced to constant petition of government for special and specific exemptions from justice. Law, to be just, but be written and carried out in ignorance of the identity of its claimants. David Mamet, “The Secret Knowledge”

a. Democrats simply do not treat blacks as the equal of whites. Do you really believe they would fall apart at the mention of a word?

 

[Coyote]

Why don't you re-read the OP.....and focus on the court decision.

Nope. You're trying to make a case that Obama's doing nothing for so-called "real racism".

So...where's the fake racism? (PLEASE - no Sharpton moments - we all know he's a charleton and race baiter).

"...where's the fake racism?"
Yup....most of what the Left calls 'racism.'

Be specific please. "Most of" is kind of like "you guys".

Fake racism is the "Ooooo....what he said!" pretense.

Such as....?

Real racism is when you don't allow students into college with the same grades....based on their race,

So....you're saying grades and race are the only determiners of admission?

Now, laminate this and put in your wallet for future reference:
Reality is defined by actions, not by words.

I can't laminate a piece of crap, it falls apart before I even finish the process.

There is no racism in using a derogatory term.
Hurt feelings?
Grow up.

Really.....so Storm Front, just to use a popular example - is not racist?

 

[Coyote]

I'd like to know why anyone would think it permissible to base a prospective students admission to university, or not, on his/her ethnic background.
The primary determinant should be academic acheivement

Not necessarily.

It depends on the institution and what their goals are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nope. You're trying to make a case that Obama's doing nothing for so-called "real racism".

So...where's the fake racism? (PLEASE - no Sharpton moments - we all know he's a charleton and race baiter).

"...where's the fake racism?"
Yup....most of what the Left calls 'racism.'

Be specific please. "Most of" is kind of like "you guys".



Such as....?



So....you're saying grades and race are the only determiners of admission?

Now, laminate this and put in your wallet for future reference:
Reality is defined by actions, not by words.

I can't laminate a piece of crap, it falls apart before I even finish the process.

There is no racism in using a derogatory term.
Hurt feelings?
Grow up.

Really.....so Storm Front, just to use a popular example - is not racist?

I think you're smarter than that.
And while I believe you understand the import of the OP, the pretense is less than honorable.


Wearing uniforms and insulting others is covered by the first amendment.


"National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) (also known as Smith v. Collin; sometimes referred to as the Skokie Affair), was a United States Supreme Court case dealing with freedom of assembly.
On behalf of the NSPA the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph.[1][2] The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves freely."
National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The statement "I'm offended" should be met with "so?"

 

[Coyote]

"...where's the fake racism?"
Yup....most of what the Left calls 'racism.'

Be specific please. "Most of" is kind of like "you guys".



Such as....?



So....you're saying grades and race are the only determiners of admission?



I can't laminate a piece of crap, it falls apart before I even finish the process.

There is no racism in using a derogatory term.
Hurt feelings?
Grow up.

Really.....so Storm Front, just to use a popular example - is not racist?

I think you're smarter than that.
And while I believe you understand the import of the OP, the pretense is less than honorable.

There is no honor in the OP, only a carefully thought out construct - thus, I do not feel bound to be honorable.

Thus far, your construct - greatly simplified seems to be something along the lines of: Obama only cries out when it's fake racism but does nothing for real racism. Is that a correct understanding of your thesis?

Wearing uniforms and insulting others is covered by the first amendment.


"National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) (also known as Smith v. Collin; sometimes referred to as the Skokie Affair), was a United States Supreme Court case dealing with freedom of assembly.
On behalf of the NSPA the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph.[1][2] The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves freely."
National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So....Storm Front, who's website is all talk...is not racist?

The statement "I'm offended" should be met with "so?"

Words can't be racist?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Be specific please. "Most of" is kind of like "you guys".



Such as....?



So....you're saying grades and race are the only determiners of admission?



I can't laminate a piece of crap, it falls apart before I even finish the process.




Really.....so Storm Front, just to use a popular example - is not racist?

I think you're smarter than that.
And while I believe you understand the import of the OP, the pretense is less than honorable.

There is no honor in the OP, only a carefully thought out construct - thus, I do not feel bound to be honorable.

Thus far, your construct - greatly simplified seems to be something along the lines of: Obama only cries out when it's fake racism but does nothing for real racism. Is that a correct understanding of your thesis?

Wearing uniforms and insulting others is covered by the first amendment.


"National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) (also known as Smith v. Collin; sometimes referred to as the Skokie Affair), was a United States Supreme Court case dealing with freedom of assembly.
On behalf of the NSPA the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph.[1][2] The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves freely."
National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So....Storm Front, who's website is all talk...is not racist?

The statement "I'm offended" should be met with "so?"

Words can't be racist?

"...thus, I do not feel bound to be honorable"

You've achieved your goal.

 

[Coyote]

I think you're smarter than that.
And while I believe you understand the import of the OP, the pretense is less than honorable.

There is no honor in the OP, only a carefully thought out construct - thus, I do not feel bound to be honorable.

Thus far, your construct - greatly simplified seems to be something along the lines of: Obama only cries out when it's fake racism but does nothing for real racism. Is that a correct understanding of your thesis?



So....Storm Front, who's website is all talk...is not racist?

The statement "I'm offended" should be met with "so?"

Words can't be racist?

"...thus, I do not feel bound to be honorable"

You've achieved your goal.

Thank you

Admittedly though, the bar was set quite low.

 

[Scorpion]

I'd like to know why anyone would think it permissible to base a prospective students admission to university, or not, on his/her ethnic background.
The primary determinant should be academic acheivement

Not necessarily.

It depends on the institution and what their goals are.

I was under the impression the goal of university was to teach.

 

[IanC]

hey PoliticalChic. good topic. I have noticed that not many liberals (or conservatives) have stood up and declared that the obvious racial discrimination against primarily NE Asians is a bad thing.

I suppose it is always easier to stand up for the underdog that needs a hand up, rather than make sure that fairness is enforced even when it makes the 'successful more successful'.

I must admit that I not-so-subconsciously compared my children's grades to other whites in high school, and valued their social successes more than the grind to get absolute top marks. if my kids hadnt been able to get into exactly what they wanted I am not so sure that I wouldnt have felt some resentment towards an educational style tailored to academic success rather than well rounded and diverse achievement in all areas.

I dont know what the answer is. the world didnt end when Jews got freer access to elite university education.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

It kind of sounds like you're insinuating Obama is responsible for affirmative action. You wouldn't actually be insinuating that, right? Because I'm fairly certain is was around during Bush too, as well as several other presidents, few of which have ANYTHING to do with how colleges select students.

If you come from detriot and were raised poor and manage to get that score on a top college entrance test then let me tell you you are very likely SMARTER than a kid who gets a higher score and comes from a life of privledge.


why cant you people figure that out?


you go to school to learn.


They pick the smartest to learn.

The smartest people dont all have the same starting level.

this is really an insightful point. Take two students who got the exact same score on the SATs, but one was from an upper middle class family with new books, a personal tutor, and an SAT prep course, and the other student was from the worst school in the country. You tell me which you think is smarter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'd like to know why anyone would think it permissible to base a prospective students admission to university, or not, on his/her ethnic background.
The primary determinant should be academic acheivement

Not necessarily.

It depends on the institution and what their goals are.

I was under the impression the goal of university was to teach.

Sorry, Scorp....that was long ago.

1. “But for most professors, neither finding truth nor seeking wisdom nor teaching is the primary goal of the university; promoting leftist ideas is.
In a talk before fellow economists, Lawrence Summers, president of Harvard University and secretary of commerce under President Bill Clinton, addressed the question of why there were so many fewer women than men in science, math and engineering. He suggested that among other reasons, one might be that women's brains are less suited to these subjects than men's brains. But such empirical truths are not utterable in the most intellectually closed places in America -- our universities.
Over 100 Harvard professors signed a petition against President Summers, leftist alumni threatened to give no more money to Harvard, and the vast majority of Harvard's professors kept a cowardly silence while their colleagues sought to suppress completely respectable intellectual inquiry. …
In the year 2005, nearly four centuries after Galileo was forced to recant observable scientific facts about our solar system, the president of Harvard University was forced to do a similar thing.” Professors as inquisitors - Dennis Prager - [page]


2. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians.
Prager, "Still The Best Hope," chapter two.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) in PWW (The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.

 

[Scorpion]

You have a point.
After a year in the college of Arts and Sciences (that was 83-84) I switched to the college of Business before insanity set in.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have a point.
After a year in the college of Arts and Sciences (that was 83-84) I switched to the college of Business before insanity set in.

The state of 'higher education:'


It is very difficult for many people to acknowledge the low intellectual and moral level to which many professors and universities have fallen.

On Feb. 21, the 600 Northwestern University students enrolled in the popular Human Sexuality course taught by professor John Michael Bailey were told that if they wished to stay after class -- it was clearly made optional -- they would see a live demonstration of female ejaculation, the subject of that day's class.

A naked young woman (not a student) would demonstrate a "f---saw" and come to orgasm in front of the students. About 120 students stayed.When word came out about this contribution to young people's understanding of life, the university defended it. Its official spokesman, Al Cubbage, released this statement: "Northwestern University faculty members engage in teaching and research on a wide variety of topics, some of them controversial and at the leading edge of their respective disciplines. The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge." …

In Bailey's class and Mr. Cubbage's statement, we have reached the logical culmination of the '60s and '70s. Instead of studying Dead White European Males, students get to study a young white living female ejaculating with a f---saw…. For four years, the American college student is taught that human beings are animals…. the exhibition is no different than watching a female baboon having sex. http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2011/03/08/the_$50,000_orgasm/page/2

 

[Katzndogz]

You have a point.
After a year in the college of Arts and Sciences (that was 83-84) I switched to the college of Business before insanity set in.

The state of 'higher education:'


It is very difficult for many people to acknowledge the low intellectual and moral level to which many professors and universities have fallen.

On Feb. 21, the 600 Northwestern University students enrolled in the popular Human Sexuality course taught by professor John Michael Bailey were told that if they wished to stay after class -- it was clearly made optional -- they would see a live demonstration of female ejaculation, the subject of that day's class.

A naked young woman (not a student) would demonstrate a "f---saw" and come to orgasm in front of the students. About 120 students stayed.When word came out about this contribution to young people's understanding of life, the university defended it. Its official spokesman, Al Cubbage, released this statement: "Northwestern University faculty members engage in teaching and research on a wide variety of topics, some of them controversial and at the leading edge of their respective disciplines. The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge." …

In Bailey's class and Mr. Cubbage's statement, we have reached the logical culmination of the '60s and '70s. Instead of studying Dead White European Males, students get to study a young white living female ejaculating with a f---saw…. For four years, the American college student is taught that human beings are animals…. the exhibition is no different than watching a female baboon having sex. http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2011/03/08/the_$50,000_orgasm/page/2

Teaching and encouraging the idea that women are mindless beasts with no control over their biologic impulses is at the heart of the debate on whether the public should pay for abortion and birth control.

 

[Mortimer]

I think not all Asians are Privileged. Whats with People from very poor unprivileged Backgrounds who Report their Ancestry as "Asian"? They maybe want a Chance to come out of misery too with a college education? I think everyone should be allowed to finish a college degree independant of his race.

Also Im very shocked that Asians are highly bullied in School. I think that is mostly true for People from the Indian Subcontinent (as Ive came across News where Asian Indians got beaten up for being "Terrorist" etc.)

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think not all Asians are Privileged. Whats with People from very poor unprivileged Backgrounds who Report their Ancestry as "Asian"? They maybe want a Chance to come out of misery too with a college education? I think everyone should be allowed to finish a college degree independant of his race.

Also Im very shocked that Asians are highly bullied in School. I think that is mostly true for People from the Indian Subcontinent (as Ive came across News where Asian Indians got beaten up for being "Terrorist" etc.)

"I think not all Asians are Privileged."

WHAT!!!!

Why didn't you tell me that before I joined up??????

 

[newpolitics]

Per your last blurb, PC, I'm glad to see you speak out against "racism" against Muslim cultures.

are we slaughtering muslims in the US??muslims are slaughtering Christians in the middle east.

Not so much have we slaughtered Muslims in the US, but we slaughtered them when we went over to Iraq, if you want to use that word.

 

[rdean]

"Real" racism? Is that like "legitimate" rape?

 

[newpolitics]

i think it's amusing that an asian uses a blonde, blue eyed avatar, and then whines about perceived racism towards asians.

there does seem to be a bit of cognitive dissonance in that, doesn't there?

i would also point out, since PC is from NYC, that in the top testing schools in NY, Stuyvescent, Brooklyn Tech, etc...Asians are way over-represented. I suspect that holds true for the technical colleges like MIT, RIT Stevens, etc.

So I'm not quite sure what she's raging against. Is she upset that schools don't want to only have one type of student? Is she upset that other factors are taken into consideration in admissions policies?

Mostly, why is someone who (for some incomprehensible reason) homeschools her kids, concerned about this?

Did you wish to comment on the factual nature of the OP?
No?

I wonder why?

Oh...because ideology trumps America's values with folks like you.

Facts are one thing. Whether they support the insane conclusions you draw are another matter entirely. This is where logic comes, yet you don't seem to understand this at all. You act like if to throw a bunch of facts against the wall and throw in a conclusion here and there, it will magically stick together in a ball of soundness and logical validity. Quite the spectacle watching you throw shit against the wall and seeing what sticks, only to watch it fall to the ground. You don't actually present syllogisms or anything resembling premises that support a conclusion. Yet, you comically number your points for absolutely no reason. It's mind numbing trying to decipher what it is you are actually trying to get across, because you seem to use every ounce of your being hating liberals while forgetting about logic.