Reagan/Bush Acted Without Congress To Shield Immigrants From Deportation

[Mertex]

And all that led us up to this point. We get a zillion illegals and a majority of Hispanic- Spanish speakers dominating...just about everything. And we get a African American who's BLACK daddy isn't American and liberal Anglo mother birthed him lived in Hawaii (?) and grew up and was taught in a Muslim school in Indonesia. I can't relate to Obama one bit, and I bet most Americans can't or don't need to. He doesn't understand American culture. He doesn't understand the immigration issue.

Are all conservatives that uninformed? We've always had illegals.....they're not new under Obama, in case you were just recently hatched. And, Obama is not from Africa, so he's not an African American....he's probably more American than you. And, there is no question about where he was born.....it's just that most right-wingers can't handle the truth and cling to their lies (birthers)....and about where he attended school......let's see if we can educate you some. He attended a Catholic School in Jakarta, and then Besuki, a school that is run and controlled by the Dutch and only the very elite dutch colonialists and Indonesians attend.....it's a prestigious school where potential students sit on waiting lists....and you're right, you can't relate to Obama because you are so uninformed you couldn't possibly communicate with someone of his caliber. And, you're wrong, he understands people like you, that don't know much, but are so full of hate that they vote against their own interests....and he understands the immigration issue way more than you or any conservative does. It doesn't bother you one bit to rip parents away from their children because you're not only uninformed, you are also heartless.

 

[Stephanie]

Read Ronald Reagan 8217 s executive order on immigration the GOP won 8217 t talk about

Read and weep you asshat RePugs.

Can the mods please consolidate all these useless fucking, "Reagan Amnesty" threads into one useless, irrelevant thread?

they should just be deleted because they're fucking lies to begin with

 

[Ernie S.]

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

"They manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration," Dobbs said July 1, 2014. "The Homeland Security secretary had to admit before Congress that was not the case -- that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers."

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

We found some debate about the deportation numbers, but Dobbs goes too far in calling it a deliberate scheme. We’ll walk you through it.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

Thanks for debunking your own beliefs. Next time read the article before presenting it as proof.
From your link:
Culberson: "But under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."

Johnson: "Correct."

The "correct" was heard around the conservative blogosphere, with some sitestaking it as Johnson finally admitting administrative malpractice. Vaughan’s Center for Immigration Studies billed it as "a truth finally admitted" that ICE is takingcredit for arrests made by Border Patrol agents to beef up its deportation numbers.

But is the change in tactics a manipulation of data? Experts we talked to said no.



How do Obama's numbers compare to those of previous administrations?Based on the DHS data and a Bloomberg Businessweek report from late last year, the Obama administration has carried out roughly 1.8 million removals in his time in office through September 7, 2013. That's less than George W. Bush's overall total of slightly more than 2 million, but even conservative estimates of the number of deportations in fiscal year 2014 would have Obama crossing that mark right about now and on pace to crush it by the end of his presidency. (The number represents total removals, not the number of people removed; one person could be sent back to their country of origin several times.)
The Obama Administration s 2 Million Deportations Explained Mother Jones

Reread it. You like to quote "experts" disputing Dobb's claims, but there are at least as many people with intimate knowledge that agree with Mr Dobbs.
It's not surprising that administration officials would dispute the facts.
Me? I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WhiteHouse.

And I did chose that very article so you would get both sides.

 

[TooTall]

Reagan: what a Liberal!!!

Reagan worked with congress, Obutthurt isn't because he wants to punish us for getting his dimwit ass kicked on Nov 4th.

Reagan worked with a Democratic controlled Congress.....much different than the "vote no on everything" Republican congress who sits on their butts dreaming up stuff to impeach Obama on.

Obama doesn't even work with his Democrat congress because he doesn't know how to.

 

[Mertex]

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

"They manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration," Dobbs said July 1, 2014. "The Homeland Security secretary had to admit before Congress that was not the case -- that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers."

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

We found some debate about the deportation numbers, but Dobbs goes too far in calling it a deliberate scheme. We’ll walk you through it.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

Thanks for debunking your own beliefs. Next time read the article before presenting it as proof.
From your link:
Culberson: "But under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."

Johnson: "Correct."

The "correct" was heard around the conservative blogosphere, with some sitestaking it as Johnson finally admitting administrative malpractice. Vaughan’s Center for Immigration Studies billed it as "a truth finally admitted" that ICE is takingcredit for arrests made by Border Patrol agents to beef up its deportation numbers.

But is the change in tactics a manipulation of data? Experts we talked to said no.



How do Obama's numbers compare to those of previous administrations?Based on the DHS data and a Bloomberg Businessweek report from late last year, the Obama administration has carried out roughly 1.8 million removals in his time in office through September 7, 2013. That's less than George W. Bush's overall total of slightly more than 2 million, but even conservative estimates of the number of deportations in fiscal year 2014 would have Obama crossing that mark right about now and on pace to crush it by the end of his presidency. (The number represents total removals, not the number of people removed; one person could be sent back to their country of origin several times.)
The Obama Administration s 2 Million Deportations Explained Mother Jones

Reread it. You like to quote "experts" disputing Dobb's claims, but there are at least as many people with intimate knowledge that agree with Mr Dobbs.
It's not surprising that administration officials would dispute the facts.
Me? I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WhiteHouse.

And I did chose that very article so you would get both sides.

Sure you did....that's why you said this:

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

Your article says the opposite.....

Our ruling

Dobbs said the federal government "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.

Your article actually exonerates Obama from Dobb's accusation and you either didn't read your article through or didn't understand it. The fact is "it's a lie".

 

[Mertex]

Read Ronald Reagan 8217 s executive order on immigration the GOP won 8217 t talk about

Read and weep you asshat RePugs.

Can the mods please consolidate all these useless fucking, "Reagan Amnesty" threads into one useless, irrelevant thread?

they should just be deleted because they're fucking lies to begin with

Which you haven't been able to debunk? Poor Stephanie.....can't stand to have the truth staring her in the face.

 

[Ernie S.]

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

"They manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration," Dobbs said July 1, 2014. "The Homeland Security secretary had to admit before Congress that was not the case -- that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers."

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

We found some debate about the deportation numbers, but Dobbs goes too far in calling it a deliberate scheme. We’ll walk you through it.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

Thanks for debunking your own beliefs. Next time read the article before presenting it as proof.
From your link:
Culberson: "But under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."

Johnson: "Correct."

The "correct" was heard around the conservative blogosphere, with some sitestaking it as Johnson finally admitting administrative malpractice. Vaughan’s Center for Immigration Studies billed it as "a truth finally admitted" that ICE is takingcredit for arrests made by Border Patrol agents to beef up its deportation numbers.

But is the change in tactics a manipulation of data? Experts we talked to said no.



How do Obama's numbers compare to those of previous administrations?Based on the DHS data and a Bloomberg Businessweek report from late last year, the Obama administration has carried out roughly 1.8 million removals in his time in office through September 7, 2013. That's less than George W. Bush's overall total of slightly more than 2 million, but even conservative estimates of the number of deportations in fiscal year 2014 would have Obama crossing that mark right about now and on pace to crush it by the end of his presidency. (The number represents total removals, not the number of people removed; one person could be sent back to their country of origin several times.)
The Obama Administration s 2 Million Deportations Explained Mother Jones

Reread it. You like to quote "experts" disputing Dobb's claims, but there are at least as many people with intimate knowledge that agree with Mr Dobbs.
It's not surprising that administration officials would dispute the facts.
Me? I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WhiteHouse.

And I did chose that very article so you would get both sides.

Sure you did....that's why you said this:

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

Your article says the opposite.....

Our ruling

Dobbs said the federal government "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.

Your article actually exonerates Obama from Dobb's accusation and you either didn't read your article through or didn't understand it. The fact is "it's a lie".

Opinions of administration hacks don't count.

 

[Mertex]

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

"They manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration," Dobbs said July 1, 2014. "The Homeland Security secretary had to admit before Congress that was not the case -- that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers."

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

We found some debate about the deportation numbers, but Dobbs goes too far in calling it a deliberate scheme. We’ll walk you through it.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

Thanks for debunking your own beliefs. Next time read the article before presenting it as proof.
From your link:
Culberson: "But under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."

Johnson: "Correct."

The "correct" was heard around the conservative blogosphere, with some sitestaking it as Johnson finally admitting administrative malpractice. Vaughan’s Center for Immigration Studies billed it as "a truth finally admitted" that ICE is takingcredit for arrests made by Border Patrol agents to beef up its deportation numbers.

But is the change in tactics a manipulation of data? Experts we talked to said no.



How do Obama's numbers compare to those of previous administrations?Based on the DHS data and a Bloomberg Businessweek report from late last year, the Obama administration has carried out roughly 1.8 million removals in his time in office through September 7, 2013. That's less than George W. Bush's overall total of slightly more than 2 million, but even conservative estimates of the number of deportations in fiscal year 2014 would have Obama crossing that mark right about now and on pace to crush it by the end of his presidency. (The number represents total removals, not the number of people removed; one person could be sent back to their country of origin several times.)
The Obama Administration s 2 Million Deportations Explained Mother Jones

Reread it. You like to quote "experts" disputing Dobb's claims, but there are at least as many people with intimate knowledge that agree with Mr Dobbs.
It's not surprising that administration officials would dispute the facts.
Me? I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WhiteHouse.

And I did chose that very article so you would get both sides.

Sure you did....that's why you said this:

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

Your article says the opposite.....

Our ruling

Dobbs said the federal government "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.

Your article actually exonerates Obama from Dobb's accusation and you either didn't read your article through or didn't understand it. The fact is "it's a lie".

Opinions of administration hacks don't count.

Yeah, we know, for conservatives only Briebart, Heritage Foundation, Faux News and Lou Dobbs tell the truth.....even if the facts don't agree with what they say....

 

[Mertex]

Reagan: what a Liberal!!!

Reagan worked with congress, Obutthurt isn't because he wants to punish us for getting his dimwit ass kicked on Nov 4th.

Reagan worked with a Democratic controlled Congress.....much different than the "vote no on everything" Republican congress who sits on their butts dreaming up stuff to impeach Obama on.

Obama doesn't even work with his Democrat congress because he doesn't know how to.

Another lie.....or maybe a Faux News talking point?

House Democrats to Obama Go Ahead Do the Amnesty - Bloomberg Politics

 

[TooTall]

Reagan: what a Liberal!!!

Reagan worked with congress, Obutthurt isn't because he wants to punish us for getting his dimwit ass kicked on Nov 4th.

Reagan worked with a Democratic controlled Congress.....much different than the "vote no on everything" Republican congress who sits on their butts dreaming up stuff to impeach Obama on.

Obama doesn't even work with his Democrat congress because he doesn't know how to.

Another lie.....or maybe a Faux News talking point?

House Democrats to Obama Go Ahead Do the Amnesty - Bloomberg Politics

Lots more examples where these come from.

"House Democrats are frustrated with what they say is a lack of election-year communication from the White House.

The lawmakers say it’s difficult to defend President Obama from GOP attacks, when he doesn't confer with his allies about his strategy and intentions."

House Democrats can t figure out why Obama won t talk to them TheHill


"Even those who complain about the partisanship of Republican leaders know this isn’t even a half-truth. This is a president who doesn’t even work well with members of his own party, let alone those of the opposition party.

He’s a leader who has been satisfied to give a speech and then sit back hoping someone, somewhere will translate his words into reality.

His failure thus far is evident in the polls. The American people don’t just disagree with much of what he’s tried to do.

They no longer trust him and aren’t certain he’s competent enough to accomplish much of anything."

KEENE Obama turns authoritarian rather than working with Congress - Washington Times

 

[Mertex]

Reagan: what a Liberal!!!

Reagan worked with congress, Obutthurt isn't because he wants to punish us for getting his dimwit ass kicked on Nov 4th.

Reagan worked with a Democratic controlled Congress.....much different than the "vote no on everything" Republican congress who sits on their butts dreaming up stuff to impeach Obama on.

Obama doesn't even work with his Democrat congress because he doesn't know how to.

Another lie.....or maybe a Faux News talking point?

House Democrats to Obama Go Ahead Do the Amnesty - Bloomberg Politics

Lots more examples where these come from.

"House Democrats are frustrated with what they say is a lack of election-year communication from the White House.

The lawmakers say it’s difficult to defend President Obama from GOP attacks, when he doesn't confer with his allies about his strategy and intentions."

House Democrats can t figure out why Obama won t talk to them TheHill


"Even those who complain about the partisanship of Republican leaders know this isn’t even a half-truth. This is a president who doesn’t even work well with members of his own party, let alone those of the opposition party.

He’s a leader who has been satisfied to give a speech and then sit back hoping someone, somewhere will translate his words into reality.

His failure thus far is evident in the polls. The American people don’t just disagree with much of what he’s tried to do.

They no longer trust him and aren’t certain he’s competent enough to accomplish much of anything."

KEENE Obama turns authoritarian rather than working with Congress - Washington Times

Yeah, nothing new....The Republicans bad mouth the president in spite of the country doing better than it was under Bush, and many ignorant people believe what they say. Nothing but BS, really.


CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said several factors contribute to the discrepancy between the economic figures and poll results, including the tendency for public opinion on major issues such as the economy to shift slowly.

In addition, he noted that wealthy Americans were probably feeling the benefits of economic growth more than everyone else so far, and that national statistics can mask problems in specific regions. Holland also cited partisan politics, saying that "many Republicans won't feel -- or at least admit -- that the economy is improving until there is a Republican in the White House."

"The same was true for Democrats under either Bush, but when the Republicans are the ones who are badmouthing the economy due to partisan politics, it makes it all the more difficult for good news that only benefits the wealthy to have an impact on the mood of the country overall," he said.

2014 The year of the blame game in Washington - CNN.com

 

[AmericanFirst]

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

Thanks for debunking your own beliefs. Next time read the article before presenting it as proof.
From your link:
Culberson: "But under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn't have been counted in prior administrations."

Johnson: "Correct."

The "correct" was heard around the conservative blogosphere, with some sitestaking it as Johnson finally admitting administrative malpractice. Vaughan’s Center for Immigration Studies billed it as "a truth finally admitted" that ICE is takingcredit for arrests made by Border Patrol agents to beef up its deportation numbers.

But is the change in tactics a manipulation of data? Experts we talked to said no.



How do Obama's numbers compare to those of previous administrations?Based on the DHS data and a Bloomberg Businessweek report from late last year, the Obama administration has carried out roughly 1.8 million removals in his time in office through September 7, 2013. That's less than George W. Bush's overall total of slightly more than 2 million, but even conservative estimates of the number of deportations in fiscal year 2014 would have Obama crossing that mark right about now and on pace to crush it by the end of his presidency. (The number represents total removals, not the number of people removed; one person could be sent back to their country of origin several times.)
The Obama Administration s 2 Million Deportations Explained Mother Jones

Reread it. You like to quote "experts" disputing Dobb's claims, but there are at least as many people with intimate knowledge that agree with Mr Dobbs.
It's not surprising that administration officials would dispute the facts.
Me? I don't believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WhiteHouse.

And I did chose that very article so you would get both sides.

Sure you did....that's why you said this:

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

Your article says the opposite.....

Our ruling

Dobbs said the federal government "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.

Your article actually exonerates Obama from Dobb's accusation and you either didn't read your article through or didn't understand it. The fact is "it's a lie".

Opinions of administration hacks don't count.

Yeah, we know, for conservatives only Briebart, Heritage Foundation, Faux News and Lou Dobbs tell the truth.....even if the facts don't agree with what they say....

Libtard facts are not facts.

 

[Lakhota]

Nothing Will Come of Something

Obama, like some treacherous Jacobean villain, has had the nerve to make decisions while the Congress was out on a well-earned vacation for six weeks from doing nothing for over six years.

Thank you, Mr. President - for doing something.

 

[Lakhota]

Are the President's Actions on Immigration Legal?

Prosecutorial discretion -- the power of the executive to determine when to enforce the law -- is one of the most well-established traditions in American law. Prosecutorial discretion is, in particular, central to the enforcement of immigration law against removable noncitizens.

Thank you, Mr. President - for doing something.

 

[Lakhota]

Actually, we should be giving them "amnesty" after the way America has fucked them.

The Hispanic Experience - Stolen Birthright

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Statistikhengst]

Yes, but a Republican wrote that EO, so it's ok. Oh, and he wasn't black, either. That's what RWNJs really mean, the little pussies.

 

[Statistikhengst]

And all that led us up to this point. We get a zillion illegals and a majority of Hispanic- Spanish speakers dominating...just about everything. And we get a African American who's BLACK daddy isn't American and liberal Anglo mother birthed him lived in Hawaii (?) and grew up and was taught in a Muslim school in Indonesia. I can't relate to Obama one bit, and I bet most Americans can't or don't need to. He doesn't understand American culture. He doesn't understand the immigration issue.

Are all conservatives that uninformed? We've always had illegals.....they're not new under Obama, in case you were just recently hatched. And, Obama is not from Africa, so he's not an African American....he's probably more American than you. And, there is no question about where he was born.....it's just that most right-wingers can't handle the truth and cling to their lies (birthers)....and about where he attended school......let's see if we can educate you some. He attended a Catholic School in Jakarta, and then Besuki, a school that is run and controlled by the Dutch and only the very elite dutch colonialists and Indonesians attend.....it's a prestigious school where potential students sit on waiting lists....and you're right, you can't relate to Obama because you are so uninformed you couldn't possibly communicate with someone of his caliber. And, you're wrong, he understands people like you, that don't know much, but are so full of hate that they vote against their own interests....and he understands the immigration issue way more than you or any conservative does. It doesn't bother you one bit to rip parents away from their children because you're not only uninformed, you are also heartless.

Yes, Mertex , Conservatives really are that uniformed, or just plain old stupid. Their stupidity allows them to hate 24/7, or so they think.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Read Ronald Reagan 8217 s executive order on immigration the GOP won 8217 t talk about

Read and weep you asshat RePugs.

Can the mods please consolidate all these useless fucking, "Reagan Amnesty" threads into one useless, irrelevant thread?

they should just be deleted because they're fucking lies to begin with

I love it how RWNJs, the really batshit crazy ones, just like you, run around and scream and holler all the time, but when you see something you don't like, you scream like little babies for mommy nanny state censorship of people. True to your fascist roots, I see, oh staph infection. Carry on... let's roll!!!!

 

[Statistikhengst]

(sigh)
Will the liberal fanatics EVER tell the truth about what Republican Presidents did?

Well, it's pretty obviously a rhetorical question.

Was it Josef Stalin who said, "The truth? The truth is whatever serves the Soviet Union!"

Since the truth clearly does not serve the present incarnation of the Soviet Union (aka the U.S. Democrat Party), they will never tell the truth about what past Republican Presidents actually did.

They'll just keep posting lies such as "Reagan/Bush Acted Without Congress To Shield Immigrants From Deportation", no matter how many times they are debunked and refuted.

Seems to me you and your party peers are the ones that don't recognize the truth. Obama has deported more people than any other President....how's that for you?

Why Has President Obama Deported More Immigrants Than Any President in US History The Nation

And, I didn't say Bush and Reagan acted without Congress....they acted with a Democratic Congress, which is a lot different than the "Vote No on Everything" Republicans.

Republicans are the only ones that are against making some humane decisions for these people that have been living here for years, already....so much for their compassionate conservative motto.

An enduring claim about Obama’s deportation numbers from Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs epitomizes this issue.

"They manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration," Dobbs said July 1, 2014. "The Homeland Security secretary had to admit before Congress that was not the case -- that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers."

Dobbs is not only accusing the government of fudging the numbers to make Obama look tougher, he’s saying a Cabinet-level adviser admitted as much.

We found some debate about the deportation numbers, but Dobbs goes too far in calling it a deliberate scheme. We’ll walk you through it.

Lou Dobbs Obama administration manipulated deportation data PunditFact

there had been reports that the admin was counting

folks turned back at the border as a "deportation" --LOL

so someone tries three times to cross and gets stopped

three times it is counted as three deportations

--LOL

Well, duh, of couse that would be three instances of deportation. The stats for deportations have ALWAYS been counted this way. What is it with Righties and weak math these days?

Geez.