Radicals Abort Free Speech Rights of Leftists.

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Now you're just blowing smoke and burying yourself. Go ahead and sleep with both eyes closed.

The facts of my argument you have yet to refute remain.

what argument?

You really should listen to your sock puppet more. He must have got into this argument. Some lame comment about free speech and no principles. Do you frequently forget what you said in less than twenty-four hours? Better sew a name tag on the sock puppet.

do you have a fucking clue what is going on here?

no?


thought so.

carry on

 

[saveliberty]

what argument?

You really should listen to your sock puppet more. He must have got into this argument. Some lame comment about free speech and no principles. Do you frequently forget what you said in less than twenty-four hours? Better sew a name tag on the sock puppet.

do you have a fucking clue what is going on here?

no?


thought so.

carry on

If you mean principles, free speech or your runnig battle with Gunny, I'd say yep.

Got that name tag sewed in yet?

 

[MaggieMae]

I have not tied Nazi's to socialism. The Nazi's are fascists. The Nazi's tied THEMSELVES to socialism by their own title.

THAT is a FACT.

One of the PRIME tenets of Nazi-ism is "community." Try watching so 1930's newsreels and all the footage of the bourgois eating with privates and workers. The state controlled everything at the national level. Doesn't sound like any conservative tenet I've heard of.

Your convoluted, illogical math, taking statements made at different times in different contexts and trying to play word games just isn't working for you. I call people or their behavior what they are based on those two things, respectively.

Obama has acted like a fascist interfering in both the private sector and now healthcare.

That does not say all Democrats are socialists are fascists. One doesn't have to be all three to be just one. That all three are at different places on the left is just another fact.

you mention conservative tenets to balance out socialist ones. your paradigm has conservatives on one end of the political spectrum and socialists on the other end.

you are saying a fascist is a socialist is a fascist? What about right wing---conservative fascism? does it even exist in your mind?

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Healthcare is the only valid argument there, Gunny. No one "took over" the banks; in fact, they're right back in business which is why financial reform is needed. You disagree with that? Fine, I wonder what you'll say when they screw you over again. As for the auto industry, neither Obama nor GM/Chrysler want to be "owned" by the government. Without that "bailout" (again, those were loans not purchase agreements), tens of thousands more would be standing in unemployment lines.

 

[MaggieMae]

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

 

[Gunny]

I have not tied Nazi's to socialism. The Nazi's are fascists. The Nazi's tied THEMSELVES to socialism by their own title.

THAT is a FACT.

One of the PRIME tenets of Nazi-ism is "community." Try watching so 1930's newsreels and all the footage of the bourgois eating with privates and workers. The state controlled everything at the national level. Doesn't sound like any conservative tenet I've heard of.

Your convoluted, illogical math, taking statements made at different times in different contexts and trying to play word games just isn't working for you. I call people or their behavior what they are based on those two things, respectively.

Obama has acted like a fascist interfering in both the private sector and now healthcare.

That does not say all Democrats are socialists are fascists. One doesn't have to be all three to be just one. That all three are at different places on the left is just another fact.

you mention conservative tenets to balance out socialist ones. your paradigm has conservatives on one end of the political spectrum and socialists on the other end.

you are saying a fascist is a socialist is a fascist? What about right wing---conservative fascism? does it even exist in your mind?

RW Conservative Fascism...

ROFLMNAO... Pray tell... what would THAT look like?

A strong sense and defense of the immutable principles of the American founding, which is demonstrated by a strong belief in everything that opposes those principles?

LOL...

Oh! Now THAT'S BRILLIANT!

Let me do the math. You're a NECON. A Republican. You go GOP no matter what. You don't believe in ideals. You believe in rhetoric. You can't see past the politicians that divide us for their own gain.

What has the GOP done for US? Increased government? Increased spending? Involved us in a war of choice? That doesn't excuse the fascist currently in office, but they're all the same. Politicians. They keep us divided over bullshit because they've swapped ideals at least 3 times since the US Civil War, because people are dumb enough to beleive that crap while they rob us blind to support THEM ... the Federal government.

You call yourself a conservative when you're ready t agree with any stupid crap the GOP comes up with?

NeoCon. You argue with Dante but what's the difference between you two? Nothing I can see.

 

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You really should listen to your sock puppet more. He must have got into this argument. Some lame comment about free speech and no principles. Do you frequently forget what you said in less than twenty-four hours? Better sew a name tag on the sock puppet.

do you have a fucking clue what is going on here?

no?


thought so.

carry on

If you mean principles, free speech or your runnig battle with Gunny, I'd say yep.

Got that name tag sewed in yet?

eat shit and die.



I have no clue what drugs you are on, but I am not a counselor anymore. seek help elsewhere.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

what have all the weight room broads put down the hormone treatments and come to watch Gunny play with the boys?

 

[MaggieMae]

When counter demonstrators show up at these Nazi or Klan rallies they are just giving those hate groups exactly what they want which is attention. It would send a far more powerful message if 50 Neo-Nazis marched through town and no one paid an ounce of attention to them.

I think we should do the same thing with terrorist threats. Whenever bin Laden puts out a video, if the MSM just ignored him, al-Qaeda would have died by lack of interest alone. Ever notice that the timing of those videos usually coincides with another world event being saturated with coverage by the media? OBL can't stand it when he thinks his own cause is losing popularity. Kim Jung Ill does the same thing.

I agree. Just ignore the bastards.

Nice logic. We did. Remember 9/11? Kim Jung Il is predictable because he thinks in terms of conventional warfare.

He's inbred and stupid enough to launch a nuke if he doesn't get attention, but his goals are material. He wants handouts.

Bin Laden is different. He's a radical idealist. He can't be bought. Radical idealists are dangerous if you don't have the means to combat them. We, as a society, don't. We're too idealist and stuck to principles that play right into his plans. We play by our rules. He doesn't.

Geronimo, Cochise and Crazy Horse, to name a few, got a lot of mileage out of that.

I didn't mean the national security folks should "ignore" the enemies. I mean the media which can have the effect of a recruiting tool for AQ. And it was NOT "ignored" by the Clinton administration, either. Almost every top-level intelligence person immediately suspected bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, so he obviously was on everyone's radar prior thereto. As for Kim Jung Ill, I suspect he is restricted by the Chinese from doing any serious harm.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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NeoCon. You argue with Dante but what's the difference between you two? Nothing I can see.

there we go -- old school.


try to discredit Dante by linking him to the most irrational boob on the boards.

old school rocks!

 

[Gunny]

you mention conservative tenets to balance out socialist ones. your paradigm has conservatives on one end of the political spectrum and socialists on the other end.

you are saying a fascist is a socialist is a fascist? What about right wing---conservative fascism? does it even exist in your mind?

Again, you are trying to play word games and lump differing ideologies into two categories, right and left. At the same time, you choose to ignore the socialist tenets of fascism, trying to smokescreen with a "conservative fascism" red herring.

True conservatives cannot be fascists. Do bear in mind I did not say NEOCONS, Republicans, religious fundies or just any politician can't be.

Smaller government and government at the lowest level, personal accountability and maximum personal freedom ... all tenets of conservatism AND the US Constitution ... are in direct contrast to fascism and socialism where the state controls all at every level and redistributes wealth as it sees fit.

Or takes over takes over a a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare and now is ranting about Wall Street.

What needs to be controlled is Obama and his fearmongering government takeover of the private sector.

Healthcare is the only valid argument there, Gunny. No one "took over" the banks; in fact, they're right back in business which is why financial reform is needed. You disagree with that? Fine, I wonder what you'll say when they screw you over again. As for the auto industry, neither Obama nor GM/Chrysler want to be "owned" by the government. Without that "bailout" (again, those were loans not purchase agreements), tens of thousands more would be standing in unemployment lines.

The Fed has seized AIG. A bank. Obama made it clear to GM if they didn't play ball with Obama they wouldn't get bailed out. He (Obama) replaced the GM of GM. He hijacked healthcare.

So what did I miss? Now. he's after the SEC.

When do we pay for this? After he's out of office? By then, he's got a set 5-figure income.

When the state dictates to the private sector and controls at every level, that's fascism. I'll take the GOP and their pansy attitude of do-nothingness every time over detrimental to our civil liberties.

 

[MaggieMae]

Nazis called themselves National Socialists, and the USSR called itself socialist, and China calls itself socialist, and Cuba calls itself socialist, and so do many other organizations, governments, etc. But, if you study socialism as a philosophy then you would know that these organizations aren't socialists - they just used the title to dupe the working and lower classes into revolting and putting them into power.

If you want to better understand or see what American socialists believe or think - you can get a pretty good idea looking at the economic and governmental systems of Western democracies in Europe.

ROFLMNAO...

Of ALL the POSSIBLE LESSONS that one could take away from the fact that all of the socialist cultures were the OPPOSITE of what they promised to BE... YOU IDIOTS CONCLUDED THAT THEY WERE NOT SOCIALISTS!

Bad news Scooter... SOCIALIST ARE: LIARS AND FOOLS!

There has never been, and never will be because man is involved, a true socialist culture.

You CAN have a truly stupid, self-serving government that pits the people against each other with faux arguments to hide their rape of our wallets.

Now THAT is true. But it's a sham perpetrated by both "sides."

 

[Gunny]

do you have a fucking clue what is going on here?

no?


thought so.

carry on

If you mean principles, free speech or your runnig battle with Gunny, I'd say yep.

Got that name tag sewed in yet?

eat shit and die.



I have no clue what drugs you are on, but I am not a counselor anymore. seek help elsewhere.

I'll tell you this once. I've been completely civil to you in this thread and made a valid argument you have YET to refute.

Take your garbage where it belongs or you're gone. The board is not a Flame Zone. The FLame Zone is.

Get it YET, goob?

You can't do anything but resort to personal attack when your argument gets hammered.

We'd played this game before. You didn't win. Discuss the topic or go take a cold shower.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Fed has seized AIG. A bank. Obama made it clear to GM if they didn't play ball with Obama they wouldn't get bailed out. He (Obama) replaced the GM of GM. He hijacked healthcare.

So what did I miss? Now. he's after the SEC.

When do we pay for this? After he's out of office? By then, he's got a set 5-figure income.

When the state dictates to the private sector and controls at every level, that's fascism. I'll take the GOP and their pansy attitude of do-nothingness every time over detrimental to our civil liberties.

OMG! AIG has been seized by the fed? Does Obama know about this?

Obama is the GM of GM?

Hijacked health care? The government runs how many hospitals?

 

[Gunny]

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

what have all the weight room broads put down the hormone treatments and come to watch Gunny play with the boys?

Maybe she's smart enough to differentiate between this forum and the Flame Zone? How hard is THAT?

Again, discuss the topic or take your loser, I have to personally attack because I can't make a valid point argument where you know it belongs.

I'm not telling you again.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If you mean principles, free speech or your runnig battle with Gunny, I'd say yep.

Got that name tag sewed in yet?

eat shit and die.



I have no clue what drugs you are on, but I am not a counselor anymore. seek help elsewhere.

I'll tell you this once. I've been completely civil to you in this thread and made a valid argument you have YET to refute.

Take your garbage where it belongs or you're gone. The board is not a Flame Zone. The FLame Zone is.

Get it YET, goob?

You can't do anything but resort to personal attack when your argument gets hammered.

We'd played this game before. You didn't win. Discuss the topic or go take a cold shower.

Civil or not, your argument(s) has been debated. You just don't like the answers. You go on and on about leftists and take overs and socialism. We don't live in the same world. You see things that don't exist---like a government take over of health care and GM.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

what have all the weight room broads put down the hormone treatments and come to watch Gunny play with the boys?

Maybe she's smart enough to differentiate between this forum and the Flame Zone? How hard is THAT?

Again, discuss the topic or take your loser, I have to personally attack because I can't make a valid point argument where you know it belongs.

I'm not telling you again.

I have always had a style. I post threads in the flame zone. every asshole here flames in a post.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

one can respond to a post with credible argument and flame at the same time.

some of us can walk and chew gum without waiting for orders from above

 

[MaggieMae]

Here we go with the pseudo-intellectualism bs excuses that use the "what a true _________(fill in the blank)" can or cannot look like. When we argue ideological differences we have to deal with realities and not what could or should be.

And nobody has taken over "a private sector auto manufacturer, a bank, healthcare" or Wall Street.

gawd, I've never heard a Gunnery Sgt whine so much. Are you sure you ain't a bitch? I know they allow bitches to be Gunnies.

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

what have all the weight room broads put down the hormone treatments and come to watch Gunny play with the boys?

Well, so far in this thread anyway, I haven't seen Gunny say things like "eat shit and die." He has strong opinions, and I usually disagree with him 95% of the time especially when he makes radical remarks, but it seems to me you're the one looking for a fight.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Gunny is actually being quite civil toward you, and you should be thankful. Are you intentionally trying to prod him? He can leave pretty big bootprints, my friend.

what have all the weight room broads put down the hormone treatments and come to watch Gunny play with the boys?

Well, so far in this thread anyway, I haven't seen Gunny say things like "eat shit and die." He has strong opinions, and I usually disagree with him 95% of the time especially when he makes radical remarks, but it seems to me you're the one looking for a fight.

most every post is a fight when dealing with propagandists. I have always considered Gunny to be a propagandist.


sorry, but my affection for Gunny as a person does not distort my view of reality

 

[Gunny]

I think we should do the same thing with terrorist threats. Whenever bin Laden puts out a video, if the MSM just ignored him, al-Qaeda would have died by lack of interest alone. Ever notice that the timing of those videos usually coincides with another world event being saturated with coverage by the media? OBL can't stand it when he thinks his own cause is losing popularity. Kim Jung Ill does the same thing.

I agree. Just ignore the bastards.

Nice logic. We did. Remember 9/11? Kim Jung Il is predictable because he thinks in terms of conventional warfare.

He's inbred and stupid enough to launch a nuke if he doesn't get attention, but his goals are material. He wants handouts.

Bin Laden is different. He's a radical idealist. He can't be bought. Radical idealists are dangerous if you don't have the means to combat them. We, as a society, don't. We're too idealist and stuck to principles that play right into his plans. We play by our rules. He doesn't.

Geronimo, Cochise and Crazy Horse, to name a few, got a lot of mileage out of that.

I didn't mean the national security folks should "ignore" the enemies. I mean the media which can have the effect of a recruiting tool for AQ. And it was NOT "ignored" by the Clinton administration, either. Almost every top-level intelligence person immediately suspected bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, so he obviously was on everyone's radar prior thereto. As for Kim Jung Ill, I suspect he is restricted by the Chinese from doing any serious harm.

Kim Jung Il is not restricted by the Chinese. Even they can't control him but to a point. They controlled his father. This dude is out there. He needs handouts to survive and plays the cards he thinks he has.

I'm not a Clinton hater. Like Bush, he did things I didn't like. I doubt Clinton ignored bin Laden. At the same time, the mindset that we can't intervene without a smoking gun is BS to me.

The WTC was attacked once during the Clinton Administration and IMO they should have been especially aware of that. I blame neither administration. This is a radical Islamic fundamentalist attacking the US. Not a political party.