Putin aims to Divide and Conquer

I have only one, and performing hard and continues battles with it to guard my aquarium :)

Dog think "Man is feeding me, so he is God"...
Cat think "Man is feeding me, so I am God" :)
But if you die and have a dog, it might die from the grief of losing you.

If you die and have a cat, it might eat you?

Yes, but dogs sometimes attack children, because of their psychology...

Hmmm... cats sometimes do the same :)))
 
As far as I know, Ivan Grozny was the latest (or so) representative of the Rurik dynasty. A Romanov dynasty later took the power in their hands.
The crucial point is that Ivan Grozny was ruling Russia from Moscow, not from Kiev.

There were two "Ivan Grozny" - Ivan III and his more famous grandson Ivan IV. And the son of Ivav IV was Rurik dynasty too... And it seems "Lzhe-Dmitry" was a true Dmitry of Rurik dynasty too and his son, Ivan "Vorenok" too, because "curse of Marina Mnishek" really performed with Romanovs.

And all this Ruriks were in Moscow, after Ivan III Grozny :)


I think that Russia does not have any intentions to incorporate the destroyed parts of Ukraine into the RF, the Crimean Peninsula was just an exception, because in this region there is a very clear ethnic and cultural situation.

Russia just wants a friendly neighbour, and how can any honest human being blame Russia for that?

That's true. Russian authorities would strongly prefer not to take any neighbor regions not to drop Russian economics...
 
You are correct about the western powers appeasing the bully in 1936...

It seems that you do not understand simple English texts, because you are stubbornly talking about 1936.

The reunification with Silesia, which was for centuries German land, happened in 1938.

It seems that you do understand that there was no violent invasion, there was a peaceful process, because the population did not mind.

Can you understand these simple things?


29 Sep 1938

The Munich Conference between Hitler, Chamberlain, Mussolini, and Daladier took place at the Führerbau building in München in Germany, during which Britain and France ceded Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany in an attempt to avoid war. The two Czechoslovakian representatives at the conference were locked in an adjacent room, not permitted to actually participating in the negotiations.
30 Sep 1938 Shortly after midnight, Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain, Benito Mussolini, and Édouard Daladier, in that order, signed the Munich Agreement at the Führerbau building in München in Germany, which ceded Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany; the actual document was backdated to the previous day, 29 Sep 1938.
30 Sep 1938 Upon returning to the United Kingdom, outside 10 Downing Street in London, Chamberlain announced that "I believe it is peace for our time".
1 Oct 1938 Following the German annexation of Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, efforts began to arrest Sudetenland residents who opposed the Nazi government.
11 Oct 1938 Wilhelm Keitel reported to Adolf Hitler, noting that the German military was poised to invade Czechoslovakia without needing much time to prepare.
15 Oct 1938 The Czechoslovakian government resigned after Germany occupied the Sudetenland.
Munich Conference and the Annexation of Sudetenland

How many quotes do I have to paste so that you eventually understand that the peaceful occupation of the German Sudetenland happened in October 1938, not in 1936.

And Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, only retarded people can talk about a German invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Here is a very detailed timeline:

14 Mar 1939 Slovakia and Ruthenia declared independence from Czechoslovakia; as Czechoslovakia had fallen into pieces, the United Kingdom and France considered it to be the evidence that Czechoslovakia no longer existed as a nation, thus they no longer had any alliance obligations to the now defunct nation. During the day, Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha traveled by train to Berlin, Germany to conduct last-minute negotiations with Adolf Hitler to save his country.
14 Mar 1939

Warned by the German Abwehr's Paul Thummel that Prague would be occupied on 15 Mar 1939, Colonel Franyišek Moravek, Chief of the Czechoslovak intelligence service, and ten members of his staff embark on a Dutch civilian aircraft hired by the British MI6. Later, in London, the group would offer their valuable services to Prime Minister Edvard Beneš' Czech government in exile.
15 Mar 1939 At 0115 hours, Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha met with Adolf Hitler, who was accompanied by Wilhelm Keitel, Hermann Göring, Joachim von Ribbentrop, and Theodor Morell, in Berlin, Germany. Hitler threatened Hácha that German forces were poised to invade Czechoslovakia at 0600 hours, so it was up to Hácha to either agree to a peaceful occupation or face a destructive invasion. At 0215 hours, Hitler left the conference room, and Göring and Ribbentrop continued to threaten Hácha with, among other things, the bombing of Prague. Hácha fainted twice during the negotiations, and both times were revived by injections by Dr. Morell. Hácha gave in at 0355 hours, and German troops marched across the borders at 0600 hours unopposed. In the evening, Adolf Hitler entered Prague in a grand parade. During the day in eastern Czechoslovakia, Hungarian forces marched into Ruthenia, ending the one-day-old nation of Capatho-Ukraine.
16 Mar 1939 In eastern Czechoslovakia, Slovakian leader Jozef Tiso sent a telegram, originally authored by Hermann Göring, to ask for German troops to enter Slovakian borders. In western Czechoslovakia, Germany declared the formation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, with Konstantin von Neurath as the German Protector, immediately enacting anti-Semitic laws.
Dismemberment of Czechoslovakia

There was no Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939, that was the official position of GB and France, I have even highlighted the quoted text so you can see, that neither GB nor France had any obligation to Czechoslovakia, they recognized the sovereignty of Slovakia.

The legal Slovak government asked the Third Reich to protect them from the aggression of the Czech government.

The collapse of this artificial state, called Czechoslovakia, happened without any violence, nobody was killed.

How could Hitler invade Czechoslovakia on 15 March 1939, if GB and France recognized the collapse of Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939 and recognized the Slovak as an independent state?

Can you please answer this simple question instead of repeating your BS?

...but we will not allow Putin to push his weight around European democracies even if he is a friend of the new so-called president of the USA.

Who "we"?

The Western banksters used Stalin against Hitler, a big state with big resources.
Whom can the western banksters use against the same country, that was used against Hitler?

Do you really believe that Americans can be used against Russia?
America cannot protect their own boarders, it is flooded by third world migrants that are destroying USA from within.

The occupation of Sudetenland was a peaceful process, Slovaks asked for protection from the Czechs, this process was also peaceful.
The Crimean Peninsula and RF reunited PEACEFULLY, nobody was killed.

And now look at how USA invades countries on the other side of the globe: million civilians are killed, Americans are brought home in body bags.

Do you really believe that banksters can find enough people who are ready to die on the other side of the world?

Oh man, you are so wrong!

Instead of messing in the affairs of the Crimean population, who are happy with their new status (they were not ethnically cleansed from their land) why not solve real conflicts, where people are killed or kept in concentration camps?

Americans should solve real conflicts, if they want to be the "World Policemen", like the Palestinian conflicts, where Zionists ethnically cleans the Palestinian land, annex it and replace the native Semites of Palestine with European migrants who claim that their ancestors lived 2000 years ago in this region.

That is a real violation of the international law, and this is going on for decades!
 
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You are correct about the western powers appeasing the bully in 1936...

It seems that you do not understand simple English texts, because you are stubbornly talking about 1936.

The reunification with Silesia, which was for centuries German land, happened in 1938.

It seems that you do understand that there was no violent invasion, there was a peaceful process, because the population did not mind.

Can you understand these simple things?


29 Sep 1938

The Munich Conference between Hitler, Chamberlain, Mussolini, and Daladier took place at the Führerbau building in München in Germany, during which Britain and France ceded Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany in an attempt to avoid war. The two Czechoslovakian representatives at the conference were locked in an adjacent room, not permitted to actually participating in the negotiations.
30 Sep 1938 Shortly after midnight, Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain, Benito Mussolini, and Édouard Daladier, in that order, signed the Munich Agreement at the Führerbau building in München in Germany, which ceded Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to Germany; the actual document was backdated to the previous day, 29 Sep 1938.
30 Sep 1938 Upon returning to the United Kingdom, outside 10 Downing Street in London, Chamberlain announced that "I believe it is peace for our time".
1 Oct 1938 Following the German annexation of Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, efforts began to arrest Sudetenland residents who opposed the Nazi government.
11 Oct 1938 Wilhelm Keitel reported to Adolf Hitler, noting that the German military was poised to invade Czechoslovakia without needing much time to prepare.
15 Oct 1938 The Czechoslovakian government resigned after Germany occupied the Sudetenland.
Munich Conference and the Annexation of Sudetenland

How many quotes do I have to paste so that you eventually understand that the peaceful occupation of the German Sudetenland happened in October 1938, not in 1936.

And Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, only retarded people can talk about a German invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Here is a very detailed timeline:

14 Mar 1939 Slovakia and Ruthenia declared independence from Czechoslovakia; as Czechoslovakia had fallen into pieces, the United Kingdom and France considered it to be the evidence that Czechoslovakia no longer existed as a nation, thus they no longer had any alliance obligations to the now defunct nation. During the day, Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha traveled by train to Berlin, Germany to conduct last-minute negotiations with Adolf Hitler to save his country.
14 Mar 1939

Warned by the German Abwehr's Paul Thummel that Prague would be occupied on 15 Mar 1939, Colonel Franyišek Moravek, Chief of the Czechoslovak intelligence service, and ten members of his staff embark on a Dutch civilian aircraft hired by the British MI6. Later, in London, the group would offer their valuable services to Prime Minister Edvard Beneš' Czech government in exile.
15 Mar 1939 At 0115 hours, Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha met with Adolf Hitler, who was accompanied by Wilhelm Keitel, Hermann Göring, Joachim von Ribbentrop, and Theodor Morell, in Berlin, Germany. Hitler threatened Hácha that German forces were poised to invade Czechoslovakia at 0600 hours, so it was up to Hácha to either agree to a peaceful occupation or face a destructive invasion. At 0215 hours, Hitler left the conference room, and Göring and Ribbentrop continued to threaten Hácha with, among other things, the bombing of Prague. Hácha fainted twice during the negotiations, and both times were revived by injections by Dr. Morell. Hácha gave in at 0355 hours, and German troops marched across the borders at 0600 hours unopposed. In the evening, Adolf Hitler entered Prague in a grand parade. During the day in eastern Czechoslovakia, Hungarian forces marched into Ruthenia, ending the one-day-old nation of Capatho-Ukraine.
16 Mar 1939 In eastern Czechoslovakia, Slovakian leader Jozef Tiso sent a telegram, originally authored by Hermann Göring, to ask for German troops to enter Slovakian borders. In western Czechoslovakia, Germany declared the formation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, with Konstantin von Neurath as the German Protector, immediately enacting anti-Semitic laws.
Dismemberment of Czechoslovakia

There was no Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939, that was the official position of GB and France, I have even highlighted the quoted text so you can see, that neither GB nor France had any obligation to Czechoslovakia, they recognized the sovereignty of Slovakia.

The legal Slovak government asked the Third Reich to protect them from the aggression of the Czech government.

The collapse of this artificial state, called Czechoslovakia, happened without any violence, nobody was killed.

How could Hitler invade Czechoslovakia on 15 March 1939, if GB and France recognized the collapse of Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939 and recognized the Slovak as an independent state?

Can you please answer this simple question instead of repeating your BS?

...but we will not allow Putin to push his weight around European democracies even if he is a friend of the new so-called president of the USA.

Who "we"?

The Western banksters used Stalin against Hitler, a big state with big resources.
Whom can the western banksters use against the same country, that was used against Hitler?

Do you really believe that Americans can be used against Russia?
America cannot protect their own boarders, it is flooded by third world migrants that are destroying USA from within.

The occupation of Sudetenland was a peaceful process, Slovaks asked for protection from the Czechs, this process was also peaceful.
The Crimean Peninsula and RF reunited PEACEFULLY, nobody was killed.

And now look at how USA invades countries on the other side of the globe: million civilians are killed, Americans are brought home in body bags.

Do you really believe that banksters can find enough people who are ready to die on the other side of the world?

Oh man, you are so wrong!

Instead of messing in the affairs of the Crimean population, who are happy with their new status (they were not ethnically cleansed from their land) why not solve real conflicts, where people are killed or kept in concentration camps?

Americans should solve real conflicts, if they want to be the "World Policemen", like the Palestinian conflicts, where Zionists ethnically cleans the Palestinian land, annex it and replace the native Semites of Palestine with European migrants who claim that their ancestors lived 2000 years ago in this region.

That is a real violation of the international law, and this is going on for decades!
You continue to contradict yourself. Do you read what you copy and paste?
You wrote: "Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha met with Adolf Hitler".
Then you wrote: "There was no Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939".
You claim that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist because "that was the official position of GB and France" but it was not in the ability of Britain and France to decide that Czechoslovakia ceased as a state.
Hitler took Czechoslovakia in stages in a similar way as Putin is taking Ukraine.
You say: "The collapse of this artificial state, called Czechoslovakia, happened without any violence, nobody was killed."
Here again is an example of how Putin is acting like Hitler. He can boast that Crimea was annexed without any violence, nobody was killed. Sound familiar?
"As a result of the annexation of the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia lost 800,000 citizens, much of its industry and its mountain defenses in the west." (Wikipedia)
Hitler claimed that the annexation of Sudetenland was to restore German speakers and land to Germany. Putin likewise pretends to restore Russian speakers and the land to Russia.
Seeing that the west was allowing Hitler to take territory from Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary claimed back territory from the weakened and defenseless Czechs. Note the careful wording in the Wikipedia in the following sentence: "On 15 March 1939, the German Wehrmacht moved into the remainder of Czechoslovakia and, from Prague Castle, Hitler proclaimed Bohemia and Moravia the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, completing the German occupation of Czechoslovakia."
Yes, the west appeased Hitler and sacrificed the Czech people for a promise of peace. No doubt, Putin is hoping the west will also sacrifice the people of Ukraine for peace but there is a difference this time. The west is not forsaking the Ukrainians in their time of need. Rhe European Union will not redraw the map of Ukraine as Czechoslovakia was redrawn. Even if the so-called President Trump does a deal with his friend Putin and relax sanctions on Russia, the Europeans will not go down in history as the English and the French appeasers have done.
The only language a bully like Putin understands is strength and the bullet.
 
The crucial point is that Ivan Grozny was ruling Russia from Moscow, not from Kiev.
I don’t get it. The crucial point for what? That all Veliko-Russian rulers have a right on territory of all Ancient Rus even after the Rurik dynasty ceased to exist there?

Bolsheviks supported these separatists, who were a minority.
At the time of falling of the Russian Empire a national question was one of the most important ones, as it was during a fall of the USSR. I have a feeling that Bolsheviks simply followed the saying “If you can’t stop a process – take the lead in it”. Creating national soviet republics was an attempt to do that.

And who do you consider as separatists? Those who began to call themselves Ukrainians rather than Malo-Russians? Considering that the process of ‘ukrainization’ was smooth, it possible to make a conclusion that if they were a minority then not overwhelming.

I think that Russia does not have any intentions to incorporate the destroyed parts of Ukraine into the RF, the Crimean Peninsula was just an exception, because in this region there is a very clear ethnic and cultural situation.
Sure it doesn’t. All that staff in Donbas is only a leverage and bargaining point in their dispute with the West.

Russia just wants a friendly neighbour, and how can any honest human being blame Russia for that?
A friendly neighbor? It is hardly possible to do that in the current situation. The Baltic states, Poland, and Ukraine (if it will manage to survive) will have mostly anti-Russian stance in the foreseeable future at least.
 
I don’t get it. The crucial point for what? That all Veliko-Russian rulers have a right on territory of all Ancient Rus even after the Rurik dynasty ceased to exist there?

The Russian Tsars were Rulers of all Russian lands, not only of Veliko-Russia. And yes, this was not questioned by any Russians, be it Malo-Russians, Belo-Russians or Veliko-Russians (Царь Всея Руси).
So the only legitimisation the Ukrainian state in its old Soviet boarders had was the decrees of bloody Communist dictators.

That is not a very good moral position, is it?


At the time of falling of the Russian Empire a national question was one of the most important ones...

The only "national question" that existed in the Russian Empire was the JQ.
American Banksters made from this question a greater question.

I have a feeling that Bolsheviks simply followed the saying “If you can’t stop a process – take the lead in it”.
Creating national soviet republics was an attempt to do that.

BS, if that was the case, the Bolsheviks could do without the money of American banksters and without Chinese sadists.

At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water; in Kharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves"; the Voronezh Cheka rolled naked people around in barrels studded internally with nails; victims were crucified or stoned to death at Dnipropetrovsk; the Cheka at Kremenchuk impaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants; in Orel, water was poured on naked prisoners bound in the winter streets until they became living ice statues; in Kiev, Chinese Cheka detachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.[28]
Red Terror - Wikipedia

In his book Between Red and White, Leon Trotsky makes sarcastic reference to the charge that the Soviets held Petrograd and Moscow "by the aid of 'Lettish, Chinese, German and Bashkir regiments'".[22]

The Red Army commander Iona Yakir headed a Chinese detachment guarding Lenin and Trotsky. Later he headed a regiment made up of volunteer Chinese workers, which achieved distinction in battle when the Red Army heavily defeated (temporarily) Romanian troops in February 1918 during the Romanian occupation of Bessarabia.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe.../300px-WhiteArmyPropagandaPosterOfTrotsky.jpg

1919 White Army propaganda poster. Chinese soldiers wearing braids and blue-gold uniforms are depicted executing a prisoner and shoveling bones.

And who do you consider as separatists? Those who began to call themselves Ukrainians rather than Malo-Russians?

Yes.

A friendly neighbor? It is hardly possible to do that in the current situation.

Yes, of course. The Junta, supported by Soros and Obama's administration, like the "Fuck-the-EU-Nuland" (I hope she will be imprisoned under Trump's administration) and installed in Kiev killed too many civilians in New Russia, destroyed the infrastructure.

Somebody, who believes that these Regions will peacefully return into Ukrainian state, are idiots.

The same with the Crimean Peninsula, the population of this region will fight to the last man. The reunification with Russia was peaceful, but if Ukraine wants to get these lands back, the Junta would have to commit even more atrocities, they will have to cleanse this land from its native population

Some warmongers in this thread already mentioned German lands in East Europe that were ethnically cleansed from Germans.

These atrocities against civilians are not mentioned a lot in the lying media.

It does not matter who is President in Russia, Crimean Peninsula is part of Russian history.

If you want to take this land away from Russia you have to fight WWIII and commit atrocities against civilians, ethnically cleans the territory from its native population, like the winners did with German civilians after WWII.

Do you really believe that EU or USA are ready to start WWIII, and that the population of these countries is ready to sacrifice so much?

BTW, if you speak Russian, you can read Russian media an find out that most Russians do not take all these threats of EU, USA or Nato seriously.

They call Europe "Incontinent Gayropa".

They see decadent and senile population, a collapsing culture that is not even able to protect their own boarders.

Do you really believe that you can fight the Russian bear in its own lair with gay cowboys?

:D

What are the American soldiers going to die for?

For the rights to have gay pride parades and the right for sexual deviants to use the bathrooms of girls? Do you not understand that if there will be a big war, you have to mobilise a lot of people, mercenaries will not do the job.

The Baltic states, Poland, and Ukraine (if it will manage to survive) will have mostly anti-Russian stance in the foreseeable future at least.

EU is forcing Poland to take refugees, Poland refuses. EU will react with sanctions. If the Catholic Poland refuses to accept the LGBT agenda, like gay weddings in their Catholic churches or lesson about the pleasures of homosexuality in the primary school, there will be more sanctions against Poland.

And Polish elite will then have to listen to their own people, or to their globalist masters. That could end in a civil war.

They will do the same with the Ukraine.

The Baltic States are literally dying, they do not have any natural increase of population, they have a few young people and an astronomical suicide rate for such small ethnic groups.

The "World Government" will force the marionettes in these lands to take refugees from the Third World, you can ethnically destroy these Baltic States in one year.

And do not forget, most Poles have already visited London, they have heard about the rape of Brits by the Migrants, they are not very fond of the "enrichment" that the Globalist banksters are going to force upon them.

Many Ukrainians, who have already visited London or Paris, can imagine how KIev will look in a couple of decades, if they become part of the "free world".

So I think that the future will be not like you have pictured it, and nobody knows how long Globalists can push their unnatural agenda.

The most efficient weapon of Globalists was their lying media, but this weapon does not work any more.

The election in the USA seems to be the turning point in human history, though some people just cannot get it.
 
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The only "national question" that existed in the Russian Empire was the JQ.
American Banksters made from this question a greater question.
What is JQ? It is the Jew question or something like that? Of course it existed too, but it wasn’t the only one.

Yes, of course. The Junta, supported by Soros and Obama's administration, like the "Fuck-the-EU-Nuland" (I hope she will be imprisoned under Trump's administration) and installed in Kiev killed too many civilians in New Russia, destroyed the infrastructure.
My bet is she will get an official position in Dep of State rather than that.

Somebody, who believes that these Regions will peacefully return into Ukrainian state, are idiots.
These regions shouldn’t and won’t be returned into Ukraine in foreseeable future, and all the policy of the Ukrainian authorities is aimed on this. I can’t believe that this isn’t obvious for somebody yet.

The same with the Crimean Peninsula, the population of this region will fight to the last man. The reunification with Russia was peaceful, but if Ukraine wants to get these lands back, the Junta would have to commit even more atrocities, they will have to cleanse this land from its native population
Actually, thanks to bloody Communist dictators the native population had been replaced from there many years ago and the Russians are the majority there now. That is not a very good moral position, is it?

If you want to take this land away from Russia you have to fight WWIII and commit atrocities against civilians, ethnically cleans the territory from its native population, like the winners did with German civilians after WWII.

Do you really believe that EU or USA are ready to start WWIII, and that the population of these countries is ready to sacrifice so much?

BTW, if you speak Russian, you can read Russian media an find out that most Russians do not take all these threats of EU, USA or Nato seriously.

They call Europe "Incontinent Gayropa".

They see decadent and senile population, a collapsing culture that is not even able to protect their own boarders.

Do you really believe that you can fight the Russian bear in its own lair with gay cowboys?
All that fairy tales about WWIII is bullshit. The Soviet Union had powerful army; a half of Europe was under its rule. And where is it now? Nobody is going to attack Russia by using military force. It is simply there is no need to do so.
 
You continue to contradict yourself. Do you read what you copy and paste?
You wrote: "Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha met with Adolf Hitler".

Then you wrote: "There was no Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939".
You claim that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist because "that was the official position of GB and France" but it was not in the ability of Britain and France to decide that Czechoslovakia ceased as a state.

That is a simple English text. Is English not your native language?
Do you not understand that Emil Hacha met with Hitler before the mentioned countries recognised the independence of Slovakia?
Do you not understand that SLOVAKIA declared its independence?

BTW, have you noticed that there is no Czechoslovakia any more?

Hitler took Czechoslovakia in stages...

I looked on the map and could not find any Czechoslovakia. So who destroyed Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Communism? Did they have to resurrect Hitler for that?


... in a similar way as Putin is taking Ukraine.

The only similarity between Ukraine and Czechoslovakia is that both of them were artificial creation, that could only exist under a bloody Communist dictatorship.

There is no Czechoslovakia any more, despite the atrocities, committed against the native population of Silesia, the Germans.

Do you hope that you can commit atrocities against the native Population of Crimea and ethnically cleanse it, like it was the case with Silesia?

You say: "The collapse of this artificial state, called Czechoslovakia, happened without any violence, nobody was killed."
Here again is an example of how Putin is acting like Hitler. He can boast that Crimea was annexed without any violence, nobody was killed. Sound familiar?

What is your point? Do you want to say that the only way to annex land is via ethnic cleansing, like the Zionist do today in Palestine, or the allies did after WWII, committing atrocities against German civilians?

Hitler claimed that the annexation of Sudetenland was to restore German speakers and land to Germany. Putin likewise pretends to restore Russian speakers and the land to Russia.

I still cannot get your point. Is it bad when people have the right to self-determination and peacefully reunite? Does the annexation of land be like it is today done in Palestine?

Seeing that the west was allowing Hitler to take territory from Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary claimed back territory from the weakened and defenseless Czechs. Note the careful wording in the Wikipedia in the following sentence: "On 15 March 1939, the German Wehrmacht moved into the remainder of Czechoslovakia and, from Prague Castle, Hitler proclaimed Bohemia and Moravia the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, completing the German occupation of Czechoslovakia."

Did I write this article?
It is obvious that it should be "ex-Czechoslovakia".

Yes, the west appeased Hitler and sacrificed the Czech people for a promise of peace.

Your argumentation is idiotic. Did Hitler destroy Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Communism?
Is it not obvious that Czechoslovakia was an ARTIFICIAL STATE, that could only exist under Communist dictatorship?


No doubt, Putin is hoping the west will also sacrifice the people of Ukraine for peace but there is a difference this time.

If there are still Ukrainians, who have not visited Paris or London, they can find out in the internet that French and British people are already sacrificed, they are already a minority in their own capitals. I do not hink that you can scare anybody with "them Russians", when Paris is in flames, and the police is unable to control the situation.

The former English city of London is already governed by a Muslim.

What do you think, would the English soldiers, who died in WWII, still have been ready to die, if they could see what will happen to London after WWII?

The west is not forsaking the Ukrainians in their time of need. Rhe European Union will not redraw the map of Ukraine as Czechoslovakia was redrawn.

What "West" are you talking about?

The globalist financial elite?

How many times do I have to repeat that there is no Czechoslovakia any more, this artificial state DIED despite the atrocities, committed against the Germans in the Sudetenland.

Many Brits and Frenchmen, who are now a persecuted minority in their own capitals, ask themselves: What did our ancestors die for in WWII?


Even if the so-called President Trump...

So-called president?
What are you talking about?
Who are you?

:D

... does a deal with his friend Putin and relax sanctions on Russia, the Europeans will not go down in history as the English and the French appeasers have done.

Brits have already lost their capital, they are now a minority there. They were stampeded into WWII, because the media told them that Germans are going to invade their island. Today they are invaded by Third World migrants.

The only language a bully like Putin understands is strength and the bullet.

Are you yourself ready to die in a war with Russia, or do you hope that you can stampede others into a war?

BTW, Putin is a very moderate president, the alternative to Putin will be a real Russian patriot.
 
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You continue to contradict yourself. Do you read what you copy and paste?
You wrote: "Czechoslovakian President Emil Hácha met with Adolf Hitler".

Then you wrote: "There was no Czechoslovakia on 14 March 1939".
You claim that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist because "that was the official position of GB and France" but it was not in the ability of Britain and France to decide that Czechoslovakia ceased as a state.

That is a simple English text. Is English not your native language?
Do you not understand that Emil Hacha met with Hitler before the mentioned countries recognised the independence of Slovakia?
Do you not understand that SLOVAKIA declared its independence?

BTW, have you noticed that there is no Czechoslovakia any more?

Hitler took Czechoslovakia in stages...

I looked on the map and could not find any Czechoslovakia. So who destroyed Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Communism? Did they have to resurrect Hitler for that?


... in a similar way as Putin is taking Ukraine.

The only similarity between Ukraine and Czechoslovakia is that both of them were artificial creation, that could only exist under a bloody Communist dictatorship.

There is no Czechoslovakia any more, despite the atrocities, committed against the native population of Silesia, the Germans.

Do you hope that you can commit atrocities against the native Population of Crimea and ethnically cleanse it, like it was the case with Silesia?

You say: "The collapse of this artificial state, called Czechoslovakia, happened without any violence, nobody was killed."
Here again is an example of how Putin is acting like Hitler. He can boast that Crimea was annexed without any violence, nobody was killed. Sound familiar?

What is your point? Do you want to say that the only way to annex land is via ethnic cleansing, like the Zionist do today in Palestine, or the allies did after WWII, committing atrocities against German civilians?

Hitler claimed that the annexation of Sudetenland was to restore German speakers and land to Germany. Putin likewise pretends to restore Russian speakers and the land to Russia.

I still cannot get your point. Is it bad when people have the right to self-determination and peacefully reunite? Does the annexation of land be like it is today done in Palestine?

Seeing that the west was allowing Hitler to take territory from Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary claimed back territory from the weakened and defenseless Czechs. Note the careful wording in the Wikipedia in the following sentence: "On 15 March 1939, the German Wehrmacht moved into the remainder of Czechoslovakia and, from Prague Castle, Hitler proclaimed Bohemia and Moravia the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, completing the German occupation of Czechoslovakia."

Did I write this article?
It is obvious that it should be "ex-Czechoslovakia".

Yes, the west appeased Hitler and sacrificed the Czech people for a promise of peace.

Your argumentation is idiotic. Did Hitler destroy Czechoslovakia after the collapse of Communism?
Is it not obvious that Czechoslovakia was an ARTIFICIAL STATE, that could only exist under Communist dictatorship?


No doubt, Putin is hoping the west will also sacrifice the people of Ukraine for peace but there is a difference this time.

If there are still Ukrainians, who have not visited Paris or London, they can find out in the internet that French and British people are already sacrificed, they are already a minority in their own capitals. I do not hink that you can scare anybody with "them Russians", when Paris is in flames, and the police is unable to control the situation.

The former English city of London is already governed by a Muslim.

What do you think, would the English soldiers, who died in WWII, still have been ready to die, if they could see what will happen to London after WWII?

The west is not forsaking the Ukrainians in their time of need. Rhe European Union will not redraw the map of Ukraine as Czechoslovakia was redrawn.

What "West" are you talking about?

The globalist financial elite?

How many times do I have to repeat that there is no Czechoslovakia any more, this artificial state DIED despite the atrocities, committed against the Germans in the Sudetenland.

Many Brits and Frenchmen, who are now a persecuted minority in their own capitals, ask themselves: What did our ancestors die for in WWII?


Even if the so-called President Trump...

So-called president?
What are you talking about?
Who are you?

:D

... does a deal with his friend Putin and relax sanctions on Russia, the Europeans will not go down in history as the English and the French appeasers have done.

Brits have already lost their capital, they are now a minority there. They were stampeded into WWII, because the media told them that Germans are going to invade their island. Today they are invaded by Third World migrants.

The only language a bully like Putin understands is strength and the bullet.

Are you yourself ready to die in a war with Russia, or do you hope that you can stampede others into a war?

BTW, Putin is a very moderate president, the alternative to Putin will be a real Russian patriot.
Your long and disjointed response to my post is too full of propaganda and error to fully answer you.
Simply out, Hitler used the argument that Germany had the right to reclaim land which was taken away by the Versailles Treaty because he was uniting ethnic Germans to the Reich. This is exactly what Putin has done with Crimea and is doing in eastern Ukraine. Everyone knows this.
 
I do not understand ART-ALLM-----I have encountered many Czechs and many Ukrainians------here in the USA over the past 65 years-------The Czechs did not
speak german or say they were from Germans. The Ukrainians did not call them-
selves "Russians" In fact they seem to have a gripe with the invasions of the past
 
Simply out, Hitler used the argument that Germany had the right to reclaim land which was taken away by the Versailles Treaty because he was uniting ethnic Germans to the Reich.
.

You are sounding like a bot that was programmed to play the old and tired "Hitler-Card".

First of all do not forget that WWI became so devastating, because USA was involved in this war, and that was due to the efforts of Zionists:

In the new British strategic thinking, the Zionists appeared as a potential ally capable of safeguarding British imperial interests in the region. Furthermore, as British war prospects dimmed throughout 1917, the War Cabinet calculated that supporting a Jewish entity in Palestine would mobilize America's influential Jewish community to support United States intervention in the war and sway the large number of Jewish Bolsheviks who participated in the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to keep Russia in the war. Fears were also voiced in the Foreign Office that if Britain did not come out in favor of a Jewish entity in Palestine the Germans would preempt them. Finally, both Lloyd George and Balfour were devout churchgoers who attached great religious significance to the proposed reinstatement of the Jews in their ancient homeland.

Palestine During World War I

The Fourteen Points of Wilson's plan guaranteed all ethnic groups in Europe a right to self determination. Germans bedevilled that USA would really respect the right of Germans, too, that is why the agreed to make peace.

But the rights of Germans were neglected after they stopped fighting, they did not have any right to self-determination, and the lands that were for centuries German lands were given to new artificial states, like Poland or Czechoslovakia.

No German Parliament recognised the new boarders of the dismembered Germany.

To reunite Germany was the wish of absolutely all parties in the Weimar Republic, no German parliament in the Weimar Republic ever agreed to the dismemberment of Germany.

The wish of Germans to reunite had nothing to do with Hitler.
Hitler had just to follow the line that was set by all parties of the Weimar Republic.

The Brits eventually understood that the Treaty of Versailles was not just, and they agreed to the reunification of German lands.

So the appeasement policy was a rational thing to do in order to avoid an unnecessary fratricidal war between Europeans.

Chamberlain was a good guy, he was not a blood thirsty warmonger.

And Rudolf Hess tried to prevent a devastating war between GB and Germany even after the Brits already declared a "funny war" to the Third Reich.

Churchill (speak his financiers, this alcoholic constantly needed money) was the real warmonger, who wanted a war with Germany. Churchill was a puppet of the Globalists, and warmongering was the agenda of Globalists since the Napoleonic Wars.

This is exactly what Putin has done with Crimea and is doing in eastern Ukraine. Everyone knows this.

Exactly like Churchill (speak his financiers) was pushing for an unnecessary war between Europeans in the thirties, today the same crazy Globalist forces are pushing for a new fratricidal war between Europeans.

Your logic is so faulty and your tactics are so old and so primitive:
you try to establish a "guilt by association", and this is a logical fallacy.

Hitler is the "absolute evil", and that is why you are so desperately trying to establish an association between Hitler and Putin, and you hope that this "circular reasoning" can justify your warmongering and your instigation of hate against Russians and their elected president.

Well, Hitler loved animals, and he was a vegetarian.

According to your circular logic anybody who loves animals or does not eat meat is a "new Hitler".

:D

Anybody (Trump or Putin), who does not sell the interests of people he represents to the Globalists, is in your "circular reasoning" a "New Hitler".

The fact remains, that the reunification of German lands was done peacefully, but the restoration of artificial states, like Czechoslovakia, that could only exist under Communist dictatorship, was done via ethic cleansing and atrocities against the native population (Germans).

Constantly playing the "Hitler Card" you implicitly threaten with ethnic cleansing and atrocities against civilians of the Crimean Peninsula and are de facto implicitly agitating for WWIII.

But this will not change anything.

The ethnic cleansing and atrocities against the Germans in Silesia was in vain, because Czechoslovakia does onto exist any more, and the once prosperous German land of Silesia became a backward province of Czechoslovakia, the Commies were not even able to re-populate this once prosperous German land.

They were able to commit atrocities and expel the native German population, but they were not able to maintain the civilisation, that existed on the ethnically cleansed land.

BTW, what about Israel?
It seems that you do not mind the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land, speak you do not care a rat's ass about international law.

All your argumentation is limited to the old and tired "Nazi Card", and such an argumentation is very dull.

This "Hitler-Card"-shit is even boring for Russian historians now, because they know the real reasons of WWII.

Stalin's Missed Chance - Wikipedia

Russia accuses Poland of starting Second World War

Winston Churchill, a good friend to the Jews

Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War - Wikipedia
 
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Simply out, Hitler used the argument that Germany had the right to reclaim land which was taken away by the Versailles Treaty because he was uniting ethnic Germans to the Reich.
.

You are sounding like a bot that was programmed to play the old and tired "Hitler-Card".

First of all do not forget that WWI became so devastating, because USA was involved in this war, and that was due to the efforts of Zionists:

In the new British strategic thinking, the Zionists appeared as a potential ally capable of safeguarding British imperial interests in the region. Furthermore, as British war prospects dimmed throughout 1917, the War Cabinet calculated that supporting a Jewish entity in Palestine would mobilize America's influential Jewish community to support United States intervention in the war and sway the large number of Jewish Bolsheviks who participated in the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to keep Russia in the war. Fears were also voiced in the Foreign Office that if Britain did not come out in favor of a Jewish entity in Palestine the Germans would preempt them. Finally, both Lloyd George and Balfour were devout churchgoers who attached great religious significance to the proposed reinstatement of the Jews in their ancient homeland.

Palestine During World War I

The Fourteen Points of Wilson's plan guaranteed all ethnic groups in Europe a right to self determination. Germans bedevilled that USA would really respect the right of Germans, too, that is why the agreed to make peace.

But the rights of Germans were neglected after they stopped fighting, they did not have any right to self-determination, and the lands that were for centuries German lands were given to new artificial states, like Poland or Czechoslovakia.

No German Parliament recognised the new boarders of the dismembered Germany.

To reunite Germany was the wish of absolutely all parties in the Weimar Republic, no German parliament in the Weimar Republic ever agreed to the dismemberment of Germany.

The wish of Germans to reunite had nothing to do with Hitler.
Hitler had just to follow the line that was set by all parties of the Weimar Republic.

The Brits eventually understood that the Treaty of Versailles was not just, and they agreed to the reunification of German lands.

So the appeasement policy was a rational thing to do in order to avoid an unnecessary fratricidal war between Europeans.

Chamberlain was a good guy, he was not a blood thirsty warmonger.

And Rudolf Hess tried to prevent a devastating war between GB and Germany even after the Brits already declared a "funny war" to the Third Reich.

Churchill (speak his financiers, this alcoholic constantly needed money) was the real warmonger, who wanted a war with Germany. Churchill was a puppet of the Globalists, and warmongering was the agenda of Globalists since the Napoleonic Wars.

This is exactly what Putin has done with Crimea and is doing in eastern Ukraine. Everyone knows this.

Exactly like Churchill (speak his financiers) was pushing for an unnecessary war between Europeans in the thirties, today the same crazy Globalist forces are pushing for a new fratricidal war between Europeans.

Your logic is so faulty and your tactics are so old and so primitive:
you try to establish a "guilt by association", and this is a logical fallacy.

Hitler is the "absolute evil", and that is why you are so desperately trying to establish an association between Hitler and Putin, and you hope that this "circular reasoning" can justify your warmongering and your instigation of hate against Russians and their elected president.

Well, Hitler loved animals, and he was a vegetarian.

According to your circular logic anybody who loves animals or does not eat meat is a "new Hitler".

:D

Anybody (Trump or Putin), who does not sell the interests of people he represents to the Globalists, is in your "circular reasoning" a "New Hitler".

The fact remains, that the reunification of German lands was done peacefully, but the restoration of artificial states, like Czechoslovakia, that could only exist under Communist dictatorship, was done via ethic cleansing and atrocities against the native population (Germans).

Constantly playing the "Hitler Card" you implicitly threaten with ethnic cleansing and atrocities against civilians of the Crimean Peninsula and are de facto implicitly agitating for WWIII.

But this will not change anything.

The ethnic cleansing and atrocities against the Germans in Silesia was in vain, because Czechoslovakia does onto exist any more, and the once prosperous German land of Silesia became a backward province of Czechoslovakia, the Commies were not even able to re-populate this once prosperous German land.

They were able to commit atrocities and expel the native German population, but they were not able to maintain the civilisation, that existed on the ethnically cleansed land.

BTW, what about Israel?
It seems that you do not mind the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land, speak you do not care a rat's ass about international law.

All your argumentation is limited to the old and tired "Nazi Card", and such an argumentation is very dull.

This "Hitler-Card"-shit is even boring for Russian historians now, because they know the real reasons of WWII.

Stalin's Missed Chance - Wikipedia

Russia accuses Poland of starting Second World War

Winston Churchill, a good friend to the Jews

Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War - Wikipedia
You need to recognize the simple logical formula:
H=X and P=X ∴ H=P
where H is Hitler, P is Putin and X is the claim that uniting ethnicity resident in a foreign country to a perceived homeland is an excuse to invade.
 
Eloy said:
Simply out, Hitler ue argument thany had the right to reclaim land which was taken away by the Versailles Treaty because he was uniting ethnic Germans to the Reich.
.

You are sounding like a bot that was programmed to play the old and tired "Hitler-Card".

First of all do not forget that WWI became so devastating, because USA was involved in this war, and that was due to the efforts of Zionists:

In the new British strategic thinking, the Zionists appeared as a potential ally capable of safeguarding British imperial interests in the region. Furthermore, as British war prospects dimmed throughout 1917, the War Cabinet calculated that supporting a Jewish entity in Palestine would mobilize America's influential Jewish community to support United States intervention in the war and sway the large number of Jewish Bolsheviks who participated in the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to keep Russia in the war. Fears were also voiced in the Foreign Office that if Britain did not come out in favor of a Jewish entity in Palestine the Germans would preempt them. Finally, both Lloyd George and Balfour were devout churchgoers who attached great religious significance to the proposed reinstatement of the Jews in their ancient homeland.

Palestine During World War I

The Fourteen Points of Wilson's plan guaranteed all ethnic groups in Europe a right to self determination. Germans bedevilled that USA would really respect the right of Germans, too, that is why the agreed to make peace.

But the rights of Germans were neglected after they stopped fighting, they did not have any right to self-determination, and the lands that were for centuries German lands were given to new artificial states, like Poland or Czechoslovakia.

No German Parliament recognised the new boarders of the dismembered Germany.

To reunite Germany was the wish of absolutely all parties in the Weimar Republic, no German parliament in the Weimar Republic ever agreed to the dismemberment of Germany.

The wish of Germans to reunite had nothing to do with Hitler.
Hitler had just to follow the line that was set by all parties of the Weimar Republic.

The Brits eventually understood that the Treaty of Versailles was not just, and they agreed to the reunification of German lands.

So the appeasement policy was a rational thing to do in order to avoid an unnecessary fratricidal war between Europeans.

Chamberlain was a good guy, he was not a blood thirsty warmonger.

And Rudolf Hess tried to prevent a devastating war between GB and Germany even after the Brits already declared a "funny war" to the Third Reich.

Churchill (speak his financiers, this alcoholic constantly needed money) was the real warmonger, who wanted a war with Germany. Churchill was a puppet of the Globalists, and warmongering was the agenda of Globalists since the Napoleonic Wars.

This is exactly what Putin has done with Crimea and is doing in eastern Ukraine. Everyone knows this.

Exactly like Churchill (speak his financiers) was pushing for an unnecessary war between Europeans in the thirties, today the same crazy Globalist forces are pushing for a new fratricidal war between Europeans.

Your logic is so faulty and your tactics are so old and so primitive:
you try to establish a "guilt by association", and this is a logical fallacy.

Hitler is the "absolute evil", and that is why you are so desperately trying to establish an association between Hitler and Putin, and you hope that this "circular reasoning" can justify your warmongering and your instigation of hate against Russians and their elected president.

Well, Hitler loved animals, and he was a vegetarian.

According to your circular logic anybody who loves animals or does not eat meat is a "new Hitler".

:D

Anybody (Trump or Putin), who does not sell the interests of people he represents to the Globalists, is in your "circular reasoning" a "New Hitler".

The fact remains, that the reunification of German lands was done peacefully, but the restoration of artificial states, like Czechoslovakia, that could only exist under Communist dictatorship, was done via ethic cleansing and atrocities against the native population (Germans).

Constantly playing the "Hitler Card" you implicitly threaten with ethnic cleansing and atrocities against civilians of the Crimean Peninsula and are de facto implicitly agitating for WWIII.

But this will not change anything.

The ethnic cleansing and atrocities against the Germans in Silesia was in vain, because Czechoslovakia does onto exist any more, and the once prosperous German land of Silesia became a backward province of Czechoslovakia, the Commies were not even able to re-populate this once prosperous German land.

They were able to commit atrocities and expel the native German population, but they were not able to maintain the civilisation, that existed on the ethnically cleansed land.

BTW, what about Israel?
It seems that you do not mind the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land, speak you do not care a rat's ass about international law.

All your argumentation is limited to the old and tired "Nazi Card", and such an argumentation is very dull.

This "Hitler-Card"-shit is even boring for Russian historians now, because they know the real reasons of WWII.

Stalin's Missed Chance - Wikipedia

Russia accuses Poland of starting Second World War

Winston Churchill, a good friend to the Jews

Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War - Wikipedia
You need to recognize the simple logical formula:
H=X and P=X ∴ H=P
where H is Hitler, P is Putin and X is the claim that uniting ethnicity resident in a foreign country to a perceived homeland is an excuse to invade.
 
You need to recognize the simple logical formula:
H=X and P=X ∴ H=P
where H is Hitler, P is Putin and X is the claim that uniting ethnicity resident in a foreign country to a perceived homeland is an excuse to invade.

It seems that you only accept violent creation of artificial states, via ethnic cleansing and atrocities against civilians, and do not accept the right of people to decide their own destiny.

That is the reason why you support the creations of artificial entities, ruled by Commies (like former Czechoslovakia and former Ukraine) and do not mind the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

BTW, what about Yugoslavia, another artificial creation of Commies, that could not dissolve peacefully?

The hypocrites from the self appointed 'World Government" did not mind in this case the shifting of boarders of former Commie entities and cutting off big chunks of Serbian land.

It seems that the selective irrational hate against Germans, Serbs, Palestinians and Russians is what motivates the warmongers from the wanna be "World Government".

BTW, according to your crazy logic Americans did not have any right to separate from GB, because their territory belonged to the British State.

Oy vay, the American separatists, supported by France and Russia, separated from GB against the agreement of the British monarch!

What a blatant violation of the integrity of the British Empire!

Were these American freedom fighters also "New/Old-Hitlers/Putin"?

Are you going to spew out another "logical formula"?

:D
 
You need to recognize the simple logical formula:
H=X and P=X ∴ H=P
where H is Hitler, P is Putin and X is the claim that uniting ethnicity resident in a foreign country to a perceived homeland is an excuse to invade.

It seems that you only accept violent creation of artificial states, via ethnic cleansing and atrocities against civilians, and do not accept the right of people to decide their own destiny.

That is the reason why you support the creations of artificial entities, ruled by Commies (like former Czechoslovakia and former Ukraine) and do not mind the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

BTW, what about Yugoslavia, another artificial creation of Commies, that could not dissolve peacefully?

The hypocrites from the self appointed 'World Government" did not mind in this case the shifting of boarders of former Commie entities and cutting off big chunks of Serbian land.

It seems that the selective irrational hate against Germans, Serbs, Palestinians and Russians is what motivates the warmongers from the wanna be "World Government".

BTW, according to your crazy logic Americans did not have any right to separate from GB, because their territory belonged to the British State.

Oy vay, the American separatists, supported by France and Russia, separated from GB against the agreement of the British monarch!

What a blatant violation of the integrity of the British Empire!

Were these American freedom fighters also "New/Old-Hitlers/Putin"?

Are you going to spew out another "logical formula"?

:D
I'm sorry but your post is all over the place. I do not know where to begin answering you.
Just remember H=X and P=X ∴ H=P and you will understand.
 
Eloy6637126 said:
Just remember H=X and P=X ∴ H=P and you will understand.

Well, intelligent and unbiased people know that Putin is a good guy.

We can check the facts, Putin is not a historical figure, he is a contemporary leader, so we do not need to rely on the opinion of historians and witnesses to judge Putin.

So if you are saying that Putin=Hitler, do you understand what you are doing?

:D
 
Eloy6637126 said:
Just remember H=X and P=X ∴ H=P and you will understand.

Well, intelligent and unbiased people know that Putin is a good guy.

We can check the facts, Putin is not a historical figure, he is a contemporary leader, so we do not need to rely on the opinion of historians and witnesses to judge Putin.

So if you are saying that Putin=Hitler, do you understand what you are doing?

:D
Indeed I am fully aware how autocrats act. It is common knowledge.
 
I accept you have nothing more to say to me about Putin.
I am encouraged that people in Europe are on to him.

Putin's approval rating is higher than of any EU-Puppet, dude.

You just make statements, but cannot support your statements with any facts.
You engage in circular reasoning, and that is boring and annoying.
 

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