Push comes to shove, will U. S. military back Wall Street, POTUS, or American voters?

[Stephanie]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT.

Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on?

NOT YOURS

people better WAKE UP

 

[Unkotare]

Guys like you, and I hope me, are keepers of the American spirit.

YOU have absolutely nothing to do with the American spirit, and stupid-ass comments like this:

Detractors of this kind of thinking like to say we are all citizens, we are all equal. Well, I think some, like yourself, are more equal.

prove that you don't understand that spirit in the slightest. You are brute-animal stupid and entirely unAmerican. STFU/GTFO

 

[Unkotare]

When I went to college we were taught that the value of a corporation is assets, minus liabilities, plus 'goodwill.'. What do we really need a stock market and speculators for?

Is that what you were taught in college before they noticed you hanging around outside the window and told you to get lost? You are unbelievably stupid.

 

[High_Gravity]

Who in their right mind would throw their lot in with these protestors? if they had their way they would turn this country into a mixture of the old USSR and Guatamala.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT. Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on? NOT YOURS people better WAKE UP

The Tea Party hurt the country's credit rating last summer with its stupid grand standing, not the centrists or the leftists.

The only jobs bill the Hard Right wants is the one that ends Obama's term in office at the expense of the American people.

Whoever the GOP candidate will be is going to be faced with that reality as the Dems propaganda machine rams it down Americans' throats.

Americans dislike the Tea Party worse than any other group, unless it is the GOP-led House.

Wake up, Steph!

 

[Si modo]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT. Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on? NOT YOURS people better WAKE UP

The Tea Party hurt the country's credit rating last summer with its stupid grand standing, not the centrists or the leftists.

The only jobs bill the Hard Right wants is the one that ends Obama's term in office at the expense of the American people.

Whoever the GOP candidate will be is going to be faced with that reality as the Dems propaganda machine rams it down Americans' throats.

Americans dislike the Tea Party worse than any other group, unless it is the GOP-led House.

Wake up, Steph!

According to those who rate, the TP did no such thing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those who say that, si modo, don't rate with the American people. Neither does the Tea Party movement.

 

[Si modo]

Those who say that, si modo, don't rate with the American people. Neither does the Tea Party movement.

Let's see: Those who give the ratings also gave their reasons for their ratings.

But, somehow you have some sort of special powers and know their real reasons.

Okie.

Doke.

 

[Ropey]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT.

Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on?

NOT YOURS

people better WAKE UP

I don't know about 'they'. Any links showing this to be the prevailing view among 'them'?

Who are they by the way?

Clearly it seems that Preius sees this pattern lead to a depression.

I disagree with that outlook.

I see a depression in Europe and a a somewhat induced recession in America.

When that's over, I see America far ahead ...

Ten years. One decade.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You knock my opinion but give yours as gospel?

You have been a silly goof from the first day.

 

[Stephanie]

You knock my opinion but give yours as gospel?

You have been a silly goof from the first day.

As you are with this silliness the TEA PARTY caused the downgrade..when you know FULL WELL it was this administration and ALL OF CONGRESS.

PATHETIC

 

[Si modo]

You knock my opinion but give yours as gospel?

You have been a silly goof from the first day.

See, that's the problem with you. I didn't give my opinion. I said the opinion about the rating dive by those who gave the rating dive is the only thing relevant as to why they gave the rating dive.

I know, it's too complex for you to grasp. That's mainly why I don't respond too often to idiocy, unless I'm in a playful mood. It's a chronic affliction.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You give your opinion, yes, then pretend you don't. Reread your stuff, and grow up. You are very simplistic, a concrete learner, one who is unable to nuance. You have never demonstrated any critical thinking ability.

But give it a try, goofy one.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes I am related to Thomas Jefferson, He was one of my great great great great Grandfathers Maternal Cousins. The Grandfathers Brother was John Marshall < That is Chief Justice Marshall.......


Now the military will obey a lawful order to fire upon civilians. The key word being lawful. Is it a lawful order to use deadly force upon a peaceful crowd of protesters? I don't think so. Now if those protesters were endangering the troops or others that would be a different story.

The great thing about today though is that we dio not need deadly force to break up a crowd.

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Going slightly off-topic here, I think it is neat that you have blood ties to Thomas Jefferson. Detractors of this kind of thinking like to say we are all citizens, we are all equal. Well, I think some, like yourself, are more equal. Your family has an investment and commitment to the United States that goes beyond your U. S. birth certificate. We are oriented to aspire to the greatest values of our heritage. We have all seen on television interviews with our fellow citizens who don't even know how many justices are on the U. S. Supreme Court. Guys like you, and I hope me, are keepers of the American spirit, and while we are building that, illegal aliens are stealing America's wallet! A main reason I intensely dislike illegal aliens is they don't give a damn about what we are trying to accomplish as a country, all they want is the free welfare ride.

Moving on, I recall reading something about this for our border fence. People approach it, and suddenly they are up against 150 degrees or something like that. Sounds efficient.

I am by no means a revolutionary, but like most Americans I am tired of the Wall Street slime raping my country, and frankly I have had enough of both political parties. I think it was Bill Maher who said, "One party has no brains, and the other has no balls."

I am not donating to Obama, the last time they wrote for money, I sent back a note, "I do not donate to Republicans." I am prepared to throw my vote away if Obama does not stop kissing Republican ass. The American Jobs Act is about his last chance with me. There are Dems talking about a primary switch to Hillary Clinton. She is committed to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. I was for her before I was for Obama.

Stretching the topic. Throughout my life I have heard people say the U. S. Government could overthrown without shedding a drop of blood. The version I heard goes along these lines. Barry, Joe, Michelle, and Joyce are The Administration, all four were elected by the American people. If, (and it would obviously be a set up), Joe Biden says to Barry Obama, "This is a coup, I am now the president, surrender to me." Now President Obama would have to violate his oath of office, BUT with a new government comes a new currency. We buy off China and others at 10 cents on the dollar, and they would be glad to get it. Then the planet makes a start fresh with a new economic system, but basically the same American democracy, probably with new lobbying laws. One interesting idea would be changing currency. If each individual were only allowed $500,000 for changing to new money for old, we would leave the 1% with all kinds of useless paper.

Now, this is 'think tank' type stuff, and really over my level of thought. I am not sure how well I am explaining it here, but it is interesting. Do you think it would be possible to have an orderly revolution of government with no bloodshed?

When I went to college we were taught that the value of a corporation is assets, minus liabilities, plus 'goodwill.'. What do we really need a stock market and speculators for? They produce nothing, and raise prices unnecessarily. Someone wants to buy stock in a company, do it the way we used to. Call the company and ask how much per share. If you like the price, send them a check.

Is all this over-simplistic? I have no idea, but I have found in big business many like to make an issue complex because it is to their financial advantage. I think speculators have bullshitted the American people very effectively.

You wasted your life in college, you're worse than a fucking idiot.

We need to deport you fuckers to the Progressive Utopia of your choice

 

[JakeStarkey]

Another goofy, uncritical thinking concrete learner, the CrusaderFrank, weighs in.

Oh my.

 

[Mr Liberty]

The Declaration of independence (Written by a cousin of my Great great great Grandfather) is little more than a letter telling King George to piss off. The Declaration while a great Historical document does not give us any of our laws. It does not have anything to do with the constitution. This is self evident if you simply understand what the two different documents are and what purpose they both serve.

So, again, you rightly direct us to the importance of the U. S. Constitution in considering the 'alter or abolish' section of the Declaration of Independence. Looks like the real discussion may be at the level of the individual soldier.

For example. I am a soldier stationed near the park in Wall Street. The military command receives orders from President Obama to fire at protestors to disburse the crowd. I may fire my weapon above the heads of the crowd, and the soldier next to me might fire to kill. Both of us would be properly following orders, under the U. S. Constitution?

Anyone who did not fire their weapon could be involved in a violation that would lead to court marshal? This is where I get sketchy on this whole subject, and was one reason for creating this thread.

You are going to move this Dem if you are saying you are related to our second U. S. president, and the founder of the Democratic Party.
Now, that would be especially cool! Thank you for your thoughtful post.​

Our soldiers are train to obey lawful orders. All enlisted are told, it is their duty to not to obey immoral or unlawful orders. We also rightly accept that the military is submissive to the civilian government. It is unlikely that US soldiers would fire on unarmed civilians; however, if they were being fired upon, they have the right to defend themselves. We don't target unarmed foreign civilians in combat zones so why would we attack Americans.

I cannot imagine a President trying to make himself king or dictator with the support of congress. Without congressional support, all he would accomplish is the quickest impeachment in history. Likely the only time congress did anything quickly.

 

[Preius]

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Republicans have voted down his Jobs bill. Are you blaming Obama for the Republicans number one policy to make sure he fails?

To me it is like this. When my employer selects someone, (sometimes me), to go after a multi-million dollar account that is in play, they expect to win it. I don't go out there with whatever idea comes to mind, there are upper management discussions on precisely how we will approach a potential client. But, in the end, win or lose I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTCOME. Next could be a corner office, or I become an Assistant Account Executive and lose my status as a full Account Executive. Politics is much the same.

A message at the DNC I support is this, "Barry we are sincerely sorry that Republicans have kicked your ass on jobs, and understand it may relate to race, but when this opportunity came along, you were nominated by the party to get elected President of the United States and carry out the Democratic Party agenda. You have given us things we like, but you have missed the boat on the main issue, JOBS. You said you could do it. We are tired of asking what the problem is. Where are the results?

Now even Democratic pundits think you are weak, and only recently you said to a reporter that, "you don't like conflict." Then WTF are you doing in the White House?" You fix this in the next 3-6 months, or the DNC will get someone who can. 'I tried' is not an adequate answer. Success is expected, not desired."

 

[Preius]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT.

Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on?

NOT YOURS

people better WAKE UP

Actually the Republicans changed it for us. While Democrats were discussing American Socialism, Republicans crashed the economy in 2008, wasted $700,000,000,000 on TARP and turned American taxpayers into shareholders of American banks and corporations. History has recorded Republicans advancing the cause of socialism in America. The funny part to me is that President Obama was out there trying to protect capitalism while Republicans called Obama a socialist!!!

I thought and hoped President Obama would usher in some kind of economic change. No one went to jail. The same people run Wall Street as in 2008, no new legislation has been enacted to protect the economy, and President Obama is a mediocre POTUS. Even President Eisenhower's daughter called Obama an "Eisenhower Republican." Is it any wonder center left voters feel sold out?

The irony here is that I believe President AIG Obama sold out the left will probably end up getting my voting. My God look at the clowns Republicans think are viable candidates! There was a lot of ignorance and mental illness on stage at the last Republican debate. I wouldn't hire any of those idiots to walk my dog!

No surprise from a Repub, huh!​

 

[Preius]

I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy the sooner we will have progressive economic change.

There it is folks, they are cheering for OUR COUNTRY to go bankrupt so they CAN CHANGE IT.

Now WHO'S SIDE do you think they are on?

NOT YOURS

people better WAKE UP

You got three 'thank yous' on this post, one from me. I was the one who posted, "I know you will hate this, but the closer America gets to bankruptcy, the sooner we will have progressive economic change." I did not mean this as a an analysis, I intended it as a warning with the implication, "be prepared."

I get the feeling in all these posts that people are under the impression that there is no threat of revolution in this country. I obviously am concerned. Typical Americans we go along our merry way, and then do not believe it is an invasion when 12,000,000 illegal aliens sneak into our country, settle here, and apply for welfare.

Screw it. I have some investments, live in a secure community, have a view, and the worse the economy gets the more money business spends with me on advertising. This nation will survive at least until I die, so it is time to let others worry, and cast my fate to the wind?????

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The subject of this thread is "Push comes to shove, will U. S. military back Wall Street, POTUS, or American voters?"​

 

[KSigMason]

If push comes to shove, all service-members should follow the Oaths they took when they entered the military.