Public Schools Did Little To Prepare Them -

[Marion Morrison]

I don't even look at anyone under 30 if I need somebody to help me work. I'll take 50 year olds all day, not only are they in better shape and know how to actually work, most aren't on the phone all the time.

Or typing stupid right wing crap on the computer all the time like you do.

Such as-?

 

[DGS49]

I have to pull rank, but military service taught me to chill out.

Having your whole life dictated by people who barely graduated from HS, under policies that seldom make any sense, under conditions that might well be life threatening...and you can't do a fucking thing about it.

Put's civilian life's little annoyances in perspective. Road rage? Really, who gives a fuck? Somebody cuts you off in traffic? So what? Life goes on.

 

[regent]

Perhaps public school graduates should not go to college? Colleges were intended to be for the sons of gentlemen, not the riff-raff, and we have turned them into trade schools; "Go to college and get a better paying job."
But not to worry, the wealthy have already figured out their new admittance strategy and it seems to be working.

 

[Weatherman2020]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

Millennials finally get a job to find out holding your breath and rolling on the floor at work doesn’t get what you want like it did in college.

 

[Marion Morrison]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I've got a great example that I have cited many times.

Long about the turn of the century, it was very popular on the teacher blogs to "do away" with the simple elimination games of childhood. In the area I teach, I have a zillion of them--singing variations of "eeney meeny minie moe". The kind of games we all played on the playground where EVERYone was eliminated in the end but one, and that child was "it".

The advice coming out of whatever Bad Advice Machinery at the time was that these games were 'exculsionary' and 'hurt feelings'. When I read this advice, I already had about 5-8 years of teaching under my belt. I had watched my students handle the fleeting disappointment of being "out" and quickly recover. I had watched them buck up under that disappointment. I had watched the few students who could not LEARN to buck up under POSITIVE peer pressure...."stop crying, it's just a game!"

So I rejected that advice, closed my door, and kept up with the games. I knew I was going against the grain however. The "new" wisdom was that we were to protect these students delicate feelings like tender little eggs.

15 years later--look at the mess we have. A mess of anxiety, depression, incapacity on campus, perpetual childhood. Children not allowed to fail or feel disappointment in anything--so every failure it cataclysmic. It's awful.

What happened, btw, this new instinct to coddle their delicate feelings--was an outgrowth of the self-esteem movement. Which has been de-bunked as a theory, and is largely hogwash. At best, if you teach a child to feel good about himself just because, you raise an empty-headed narcissist. At worst, you raise a crippled neurotic who relies entirely on the opinion of others for validation. In either case, it hobbles people.

Kids need more Red Rover!

Eh, I saw an armbone crack once when the fat kid hit the line. I'm glad I grew up when I did.

We used to play this game called "Butts Up" everyday before school.

It involves a handball.

There was always "smear the queer" after lunch, too. And 4-square.

 

[bodecea]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

What did the parents do for them?

 

[Marion Morrison]

- for life in the big city. Participation trophies just for showing up, false self-esteem exercises, passing grades just for "effort", instant gratification for their wants and needs.

So the slightest thing sets them off. They are psychologically stunted, probably for life.

And we let them vote. Oy vey.

Stress Mess: 3 In 5 Millennials Say Life More Stressful Now Than Ever Before - Study Finds

What did the parents do for them?

Apparently not discipline them enough and teach them proper life lessons.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Being the 1st one to tackle the guy with the ball does not mean you won at all.

Especially when 8 guys dogpile on top of you! It may suck to be him, but it sucks to be you just about as bad.

 

[bodecea]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I've got a great example that I have cited many times.

Long about the turn of the century, it was very popular on the teacher blogs to "do away" with the simple elimination games of childhood. In the area I teach, I have a zillion of them--singing variations of "eeney meeny minie moe". The kind of games we all played on the playground where EVERYone was eliminated in the end but one, and that child was "it".

The advice coming out of whatever Bad Advice Machinery at the time was that these games were 'exculsionary' and 'hurt feelings'. When I read this advice, I already had about 5-8 years of teaching under my belt. I had watched my students handle the fleeting disappointment of being "out" and quickly recover. I had watched them buck up under that disappointment. I had watched the few students who could not LEARN to buck up under POSITIVE peer pressure...."stop crying, it's just a game!"

So I rejected that advice, closed my door, and kept up with the games. I knew I was going against the grain however. The "new" wisdom was that we were to protect these students delicate feelings like tender little eggs.

15 years later--look at the mess we have. A mess of anxiety, depression, incapacity on campus, perpetual childhood. Children not allowed to fail or feel disappointment in anything--so every failure it cataclysmic. It's awful.

What happened, btw, this new instinct to coddle their delicate feelings--was an outgrowth of the self-esteem movement. Which has been de-bunked as a theory, and is largely hogwash. At best, if you teach a child to feel good about himself just because, you raise an empty-headed narcissist. At worst, you raise a crippled neurotic who relies entirely on the opinion of others for validation. In either case, it hobbles people.

An outgrown of parents who can't stand it if their child isn't first.

 

[Marion Morrison]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I've got a great example that I have cited many times.

Long about the turn of the century, it was very popular on the teacher blogs to "do away" with the simple elimination games of childhood. In the area I teach, I have a zillion of them--singing variations of "eeney meeny minie moe". The kind of games we all played on the playground where EVERYone was eliminated in the end but one, and that child was "it".

The advice coming out of whatever Bad Advice Machinery at the time was that these games were 'exculsionary' and 'hurt feelings'. When I read this advice, I already had about 5-8 years of teaching under my belt. I had watched my students handle the fleeting disappointment of being "out" and quickly recover. I had watched them buck up under that disappointment. I had watched the few students who could not LEARN to buck up under POSITIVE peer pressure...."stop crying, it's just a game!"

So I rejected that advice, closed my door, and kept up with the games. I knew I was going against the grain however. The "new" wisdom was that we were to protect these students delicate feelings like tender little eggs.

15 years later--look at the mess we have. A mess of anxiety, depression, incapacity on campus, perpetual childhood. Children not allowed to fail or feel disappointment in anything--so every failure it cataclysmic. It's awful.

What happened, btw, this new instinct to coddle their delicate feelings--was an outgrowth of the self-esteem movement. Which has been de-bunked as a theory, and is largely hogwash. At best, if you teach a child to feel good about himself just because, you raise an empty-headed narcissist. At worst, you raise a crippled neurotic who relies entirely on the opinion of others for validation. In either case, it hobbles people.

An outgrown of parents who can't stand it if their child isn't first.

Sounds snowflake-ish.

 

[Mike Dwight]

What do Korean student leads have going for them anyway? Illegal annexation treaty, ahn changho, Presbyterian piety, 2nd generation citizenship, being the only person that was going to organize extra credit...they lost world war 2 , though, lee Myung bak is a biggest loser.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

They aren’t taught how to deal with what real life will throw at them.
Instant gratification, no responsibility for own failures, etc.
They have absolutely no clue as to how to become self reliant, how to pick themselves up, dust off their pants, and start afresh, when they are pushed down.
I don’t mean all, but a majority.

That's horseshit. I don't know what you want to do, put them in the corner with a dunce cap again? Laugh at whoever gets the lowest grade in the class? Turn them all into cutthroat competitors like the Japanese, who have an annoyingly high suicide rate among their students for not being able to measure up?

Life teaches us to overcome obstacles. It is total horseshit that schools are "coddling" them by letting them leave the school doors with a halfway positive attitude.

They need some adversity though. If they fail in school, they need to actually fail in school. If they finish the race sure, here is a participation ribbon but they better save the trophies and shiny stuff for those who finish top 3.

Look, we don't want a jaded world, but I'm listening to youth who are so ill prepared and uninformed that they embrace socialism, some, all to happy to have them even vote as kids!

No way on earth they embraced that because of some curiousity or appreciation of the system or it's consequences. We've all been young and dumb, I'm not expecting perfection. I am at least expecting them to understand you get what you put into life.

This is why some of us are libertarians. Stay out of the life of kids and citizens, provide guidelines and let us all rise to our personal potential. Or not. Much better than the alternative.

Look. I don't know what interactions you have with what group that makes you draw this conclusion. The young people I deal with don't have that problem and they are competitive as hell. Most of them these days that I work with have had their failures so deeply banged into their psyches that some of them will never be able to stand up again. That's not doing anyone any favors. That's a missed opportunity for a citizen to rise to his/her personal potential.

I remember a handful of professors from my college days. One was a history prof that I took Ancient Roman history from. Some of the texts we were reading, by ancient Roman historians, were mucky going. Yet I never heard him say "No, wrong" in response to a question. He was amazing. I never left his class feeling like an idiot. That is skill.

Why do folks feel that everything wrong with "kids today" is the fault of the schools, anyway? Ever think of the people raising them, such as yourself?

I've got a great example that I have cited many times.

Long about the turn of the century, it was very popular on the teacher blogs to "do away" with the simple elimination games of childhood. In the area I teach, I have a zillion of them--singing variations of "eeney meeny minie moe". The kind of games we all played on the playground where EVERYone was eliminated in the end but one, and that child was "it".

The advice coming out of whatever Bad Advice Machinery at the time was that these games were 'exculsionary' and 'hurt feelings'. When I read this advice, I already had about 5-8 years of teaching under my belt. I had watched my students handle the fleeting disappointment of being "out" and quickly recover. I had watched them buck up under that disappointment. I had watched the few students who could not LEARN to buck up under POSITIVE peer pressure...."stop crying, it's just a game!"

So I rejected that advice, closed my door, and kept up with the games. I knew I was going against the grain however. The "new" wisdom was that we were to protect these students delicate feelings like tender little eggs.

15 years later--look at the mess we have. A mess of anxiety, depression, incapacity on campus, perpetual childhood. Children not allowed to fail or feel disappointment in anything--so every failure it cataclysmic. It's awful.

What happened, btw, this new instinct to coddle their delicate feelings--was an outgrowth of the self-esteem movement. Which has been de-bunked as a theory, and is largely hogwash. At best, if you teach a child to feel good about himself just because, you raise an empty-headed narcissist. At worst, you raise a crippled neurotic who relies entirely on the opinion of others for validation. In either case, it hobbles people.

Kids need more Red Rover!

Eh, I saw an armbone crack once when the fat kid hit the line. I'm glad I grew up when I did.

We used to play this game called "Butts Up" everyday before school.

It involves a handball.

There was always "smear the queer" after lunch, too. And 4-square.

Those halcyon days ...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Being the 1st one to tackle the guy with the ball does not mean you won at all.

Especially when 8 guys dogpile on top of you! It may suck to be him, but it sucks to be you just about as bad.

Especially with all the nut pinching going on in the pile.