Proud to support Antifa

[Turtlesoup]

What is antifa and why is Donald Trump targeting it?

The president proposed the US designate it a terrorist organization – but experts say it’s just a loosely organized movement

www.theguardian.com

I dont have a membership card and I have never given them money. Never been asked for any. It seems to me that they have worthy aims in opposing nazis and that is something that all freedom loving people should get behind and support.

We should not allow nazis to march through our towns and cities spreading a message of hate against our neighbours. That was is the path to a fascist state. The UK has a proud history of opposing fascists, thinking of the demonstrations against the National Front and Mosley.

Britains shame is that there were enough idiots prepared to back these scumbags.

I dont know much about the US history of fighting the Klan and their related bodies. There are certainly enough of these grubby organisations out there. History from the 20s and 30s show us that it is dangerous to give nazis an inch.
We cannot allow them to own our streets and spread their shit in public places.

Democracy and equality is always under assault and needs to be defended. Antifa are your local heroes.

Welsh football legend to attend festival celebrating life of Wrexham miner and freedom fighter

A WEEKEND festival in Wrexham town centre will celebrate the life of a local miner who went on to become a freedom fighter in Europe.

www.leaderlive.co.uk

You have mental and morality issues then...

 

[Rigby5]

You have mental and morality issues then...

Antifa likely is not the bad guys who are controlling media, the government, and business, in order to make huge profits off others.

 

[westwall]

Wrong.
If the Fascist government controlled the industries, then they would not have awarded contract to the selected bidder.

Yet again you are full of shit. Krupp made cannons. The various gun makers made their respective guns. The ship makers made their ships. The airplane makers made their planes. The medal makers made their medals.

Let's look at a particularly illustrative example of nazi control of business. The RZM mandated that Iron Crosses be made a specified way, and of specified materials.

Friedrich Orth used a bronze insert because it would allow his dies to last longer.

The Nazis figured it out and threatened to execute him if he didn't comply.

Which he immediately did.

Your problem is there are reams of records that prove you a liar.

 

[westwall]

Antifa likely is not the bad guys who are controlling media, the government, and business, in order to make huge profits off others.

Correct, they are just the useful idiots that soros and his bosses are using for their dirty work.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Antifa likely is not the bad guys who are controlling media, the government, and business, in order to make huge profits off others.

I didn't say they controlled the media---but they are a pack of evil sacks of shit many with criminal records already who are out attacking cities and people---they are no better than the BLM terrorist organization.

 

[Rigby5]

Yet again you are full of shit. Krupp made cannons. The various gun makers made their respective guns. The ship makers made their ships. The airplane makers made their planes. The medal makers made their medals.

Let's look at a particularly illustrative example of nazi control of business. The RZM mandated that Iron Crosses be made a specified way, and of specified materials.

Friedrich Orth used a bronze insert because it would allow his dies to last longer.

The Nazis figured it out and threatened to execute him if he didn't comply.

Which he immediately did.

Your problem is there are reams of records that prove you a liar.

I don't believe you at all.
The Nazis had no control over any corporation.

{...
Frames and cores of several makers share a similar design. This is due to the fact that the company of Steinhauer & Lück (S&L) is known to have manufactured frame and core dies for several smaller companies.

Not every II Class Cross features a maker’s mark, although, if there is one present it will generally be stamped on the ribbon ring. Each firm was allocated a manufacturing number to indicate which decorations they had produced. Firms that were licensed to produce official state awards were issued Lieferant Numbers by the Präsidialkanzlei des Führers, referred to as PKZ numbers. Some firms were licensed to produce private-purchase replacement awards and were issued LDO (Leistungsgemeinschaft Deutscher Ordenshersteller) numbers. LDO pieces were stamped with a maker’s code that had an “L/” prefix, while Präsidialkanzlei items were stamped with numbers without a prefix.
Unmarked crosses were manufactured between the beginning of the war and late 1942 or early 1943. At that time the PKZ requested all crosses to be numbered. LDO marked crosses were first produced in early 1941. However, II Class Iron Crosses with LDO numbers are actually relatively rare.
More than 60 companies are known to have produced the II Class Iron Cross, in varying quantities.

The standard size of the II Class Iron Cross is approximately 44.5 x 44.5mm, although there are versions that are larger and smaller. Along with numerous stickpin miniatures, there is a rare Prinzen sized cross that is around 30.5x33mm. In addition, a larger “Übergröße” (oversize) cross was produced by maker Frank & Reif and is around 47 to 48mm, closer in size to the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. The Übergröße cross has a frame produced out of “900” silver. The original reason for these crosses being produced larger than standard ones is unknown.

There is a slimline variation of the II Class Iron Cross that is known as the “Schinkel-form” or “Schinkel” cross. All Imperial Iron Cross awards were modelled after the 1813 Iron Cross, which was designed by Karl Friedrich Schinkel. When the Iron Cross was reinstated in 1939, some manufacturers used existing dies of 1914-style silver frames leftover from the First World War, resulting in crosses with a smaller center and narrower arms, and smaller, more delicate features. This practice was quickly stopped, as Hitler wanted the new Iron Cross to be larger in size. Examples of the 1939 Schinkel cross produced by various companies have been awarded until early 1940.
...}

Iron Cross II Class, by F. Orth, #15, L/14

The Iron Cross was originally founded in 1813 and was considered Germany’s highest military decoration. On September 1st, 1939, Adolf Hitler renewed the Order of the Iron Cross and instituted the decoration in four grades, II Class Iron Cross, I Class Iron Cross, Knight’s Cross and Grand Cross. T

www.medalbook.com

This says Steinhauer & Lück were the main makers of the Iron Cross, that as many as 5 million were awarded, and all Hitler cared about what that they were big enough.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are totally wrong.
Economic warfare, such as sanctions, have been illegal for over 100 years.

Siege Warfare and the Starvation of Civilians as a Weapon of War and War Crime

“Let me be clear: The use of starvation as a weapon of war is a war crime.” These are the words of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, uttered in connection with the starvation of civilians in rebel-held Madaya, a suburb of Damascus encircled by forces, including Hezbollah, loyal to the Assad...

www.justsecurity.org

{...

Siege Warfare and the Starvation of Civilians as a Weapon of War and War Crime​

by Beth Van Schaack
February 4, 2016
...
International Criminal Court, International Humanitarian Law (IHL), Siege Warfare, Starvation, Syria, War Crimes
“Let me be clear: The use of starvation as a weapon of war is a war crime.”
These are the words of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, uttered in connection with the starvation of civilians in rebel-held Madaya, a suburb of Damascus encircled by forces, including Hezbollah, loyal to the Assad government.
...
Below, I discuss the international law underlying these charges and the challenges of prosecuting siege warfare and the deliberate use of starvation as a weapon of war.
...
The deliberate starvation of civilians is not a new tactic of war, and parallels to the situations in Leningrad and Biafra come immediately to mind. Current international humanitarian law (IHL) — the law of armed conflict — makes clear that the deliberate starvation of the civilian population as a tactic of war is prohibited and a prosecutable war crime. This prohibition finds expression in Additional Protocol I (API) to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which states that besieging forces may not starve civilians “as a method of warfare.” Similarly, it is prohibited to “attack, destroy, remove or render useless” any items necessary for civilians’ survival (e.g., food, land used to cultivate food, water, irrigation works, etc.), regardless of whether the objective is to starve the civilian population, to cause them to move, or some other motive.
...}

Economic warfare, such as sanctions, have been illegal for over 100 years.

Liar.

Now, about the 1906 Geneva Conventions......DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stalinism is totally capitalist,

It's not progressive? LOL!

 

[westwall]

I don't believe you at all.
The Nazis had no control over any corporation.

{...
Frames and cores of several makers share a similar design. This is due to the fact that the company of Steinhauer & Lück (S&L) is known to have manufactured frame and core dies for several smaller companies.

Not every II Class Cross features a maker’s mark, although, if there is one present it will generally be stamped on the ribbon ring. Each firm was allocated a manufacturing number to indicate which decorations they had produced. Firms that were licensed to produce official state awards were issued Lieferant Numbers by the Präsidialkanzlei des Führers, referred to as PKZ numbers. Some firms were licensed to produce private-purchase replacement awards and were issued LDO (Leistungsgemeinschaft Deutscher Ordenshersteller) numbers. LDO pieces were stamped with a maker’s code that had an “L/” prefix, while Präsidialkanzlei items were stamped with numbers without a prefix.
Unmarked crosses were manufactured between the beginning of the war and late 1942 or early 1943. At that time the PKZ requested all crosses to be numbered. LDO marked crosses were first produced in early 1941. However, II Class Iron Crosses with LDO numbers are actually relatively rare.
More than 60 companies are known to have produced the II Class Iron Cross, in varying quantities.

The standard size of the II Class Iron Cross is approximately 44.5 x 44.5mm, although there are versions that are larger and smaller. Along with numerous stickpin miniatures, there is a rare Prinzen sized cross that is around 30.5x33mm. In addition, a larger “Übergröße” (oversize) cross was produced by maker Frank & Reif and is around 47 to 48mm, closer in size to the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. The Übergröße cross has a frame produced out of “900” silver. The original reason for these crosses being produced larger than standard ones is unknown.

There is a slimline variation of the II Class Iron Cross that is known as the “Schinkel-form” or “Schinkel” cross. All Imperial Iron Cross awards were modelled after the 1813 Iron Cross, which was designed by Karl Friedrich Schinkel. When the Iron Cross was reinstated in 1939, some manufacturers used existing dies of 1914-style silver frames leftover from the First World War, resulting in crosses with a smaller center and narrower arms, and smaller, more delicate features. This practice was quickly stopped, as Hitler wanted the new Iron Cross to be larger in size. Examples of the 1939 Schinkel cross produced by various companies have been awarded until early 1940.
...}

Iron Cross II Class, by F. Orth, #15, L/14

The Iron Cross was originally founded in 1813 and was considered Germany’s highest military decoration. On September 1st, 1939, Adolf Hitler renewed the Order of the Iron Cross and instituted the decoration in four grades, II Class Iron Cross, I Class Iron Cross, Knight’s Cross and Grand Cross. T

www.medalbook.com

This says Steinhauer & Lück were the main makers of the Iron Cross, that as many as 5 million were awarded, and all Hitler cared about what that they were big enough.

The Schinkleform crosses are well known. That's not what I was talking about. Try and keep up.

The rest of your post is likewise NOT supported by historical fact.

 

[westwall]

Stalinism is totally capitalist,

Uh, ummmm..... on which planet is that, 'cause it ain't on Earth.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Fascists of Italy and Germany in WWII did not create a powerful government that imposed central planning at all in any way.
The powerful of the fascists were the wealthy elite, and they selected Hitler and Mussolini as their puppets.
Government was not in control, but was under the control of the wealthy elite.

Antifa is not at all like the fascists because Antifa is not the wealthy elite, they do not control the media or government, because they do not have the money that would allow them to do that.

The fascists certainly DID use money from the wealthy to gain power but after that you are quite wrong.

In both italy and germany the fascists instituted central planning and owned the wealthy elite.

ANtifa is closer to fascists than anyone else in that they seek that same control nd impose it through violence.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Stalinism is totally capitalist,

Stalin was a communist and not a capitalist.

The claim he was a capitalist is a recent invention by Marxists to distance themselves from his genocide and brutality.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
If the Fascist government controlled the industries, then they would not have awarded contract to the selected bidder.

They controlled the industry which is why they alloweed bids and selected who would win the bids

 

[Soupnazi630]

You are totally wrong.
Economic warfare, such as sanctions, have been illegal for over 100 years.

Siege Warfare and the Starvation of Civilians as a Weapon of War and War Crime

“Let me be clear: The use of starvation as a weapon of war is a war crime.” These are the words of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, uttered in connection with the starvation of civilians in rebel-held Madaya, a suburb of Damascus encircled by forces, including Hezbollah, loyal to the Assad...

www.justsecurity.org

{...

Siege Warfare and the Starvation of Civilians as a Weapon of War and War Crime​

by Beth Van Schaack
February 4, 2016
...
International Criminal Court, International Humanitarian Law (IHL), Siege Warfare, Starvation, Syria, War Crimes
“Let me be clear: The use of starvation as a weapon of war is a war crime.”
These are the words of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, uttered in connection with the starvation of civilians in rebel-held Madaya, a suburb of Damascus encircled by forces, including Hezbollah, loyal to the Assad government.
...
Below, I discuss the international law underlying these charges and the challenges of prosecuting siege warfare and the deliberate use of starvation as a weapon of war.
...
The deliberate starvation of civilians is not a new tactic of war, and parallels to the situations in Leningrad and Biafra come immediately to mind. Current international humanitarian law (IHL) — the law of armed conflict — makes clear that the deliberate starvation of the civilian population as a tactic of war is prohibited and a prosecutable war crime. This prohibition finds expression in Additional Protocol I (API) to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which states that besieging forces may not starve civilians “as a method of warfare.” Similarly, it is prohibited to “attack, destroy, remove or render useless” any items necessary for civilians’ survival (e.g., food, land used to cultivate food, water, irrigation works, etc.), regardless of whether the objective is to starve the civilian population, to cause them to move, or some other motive.
...}

Economic sanctions are not illegal. Starvation and sanctions are two different things and if sanctions lead to starvation it is stirctly the responsiblity of the governemnt which is BEING sanctioned rather than the nation imposing sanctions.

 

[Rigby5]

The Schinkleform crosses are well known. That's not what I was talking about. Try and keep up.

The rest of your post is likewise NOT supported by historical fact.

And only a little part was about the Schinkleform crosses.
I only left that in to show how many makers, styles, and forms there were.
No company was ever forced to do anything.
The companies controlled Hitler, he did not control them.

 

[westwall]

And only a little part was about the Schinkleform crosses.
I only left that in to show how many makers, styles, and forms there were.
No company was ever forced to do anything.
The companies controlled Hitler, he did not control them.

A contemptible lie, from an apparent nazi revisionist.

Hello nazi.

 

[Rigby5]

Uh, ummmm..... on which planet is that, 'cause it ain't on Earth.

Stalin gained personal wealth, at the expense of anyone he could profit from.
So then he was a capitalist.
The fact he used force is a common capitalist trait, such as under feudalism, which is totally capitalist.

 

[Soupnazi630]

And only a little part was about the Schinkleform crosses.
I only left that in to show how many makers, styles, and forms there were.
No company was ever forced to do anything.
The companies controlled Hitler, he did not control them.

Yes companies were forced to operate or shut down and forbidden to operate. They produced what he demanded and what he allowed.

Hitler controlled them not the other way around.

 

[Rigby5]

The fascists certainly DID use money from the wealthy to gain power but after that you are quite wrong.

In both italy and germany the fascists instituted central planning and owned the wealthy elite.

ANtifa is closer to fascists than anyone else in that they seek that same control nd impose it through violence.

Totally wrong.
If what you said was true, that Hitler owned the wealthy elite, then corporate profits would have been nonexistant or marginal, but instead, corporations did better than ever.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Stalin gained personal wealth, at the expense of anyone he could profit from.
So then he was a capitalist.
The fact he used force is a common capitalist trait, such as under feudalism, which is totally capitalist.

Gaining wealtht is not forbidden for communist dictators therefore it is not the definition of a capitalist. He was a communist who used authoritarian force as communism demands