Protesters to remain on Wall St until Monday

[editec]

Well if nothing else these protestors found the TRUE CAPITAL in which to protest.

WALL STREET proposes, WASHINGTON disposes.

 

[daveman]

The wealth gap is as far apart as it was in the 1920's yet Beck, oxyRush, & the guy who wrote a book about his dog (Levin) have you people believing that selling-out U.S. interests for short-term gain is good. When America is completely sold out, those people will simply depart leaving you poor slobs behind holding the bag.

Which The Man is keeping you down?

Oh, yeah -- no one. Your position is life is your fault. Stop trying to blame other people.

 

[Dragon]

Which The Man is keeping you down?

Oh, yeah -- no one. Your position is life is your fault. Stop trying to blame other people.

It's not about me -- er -- him. Well, it's not about me, either. It's about US.

When in one decade we find that 5% of the population lives in poverty, and in another decade it's up to 15% or 20%, what's changed is not that people have become lazier.

 

[Dot Com]

The wealth gap is as far apart as it was in the 1920's yet Beck, oxyRush, & the guy who wrote a book about his dog (Levin) have you people believing that selling-out U.S. interests for short-term gain is good. When America is completely sold out, those people will simply depart leaving you poor slobs behind holding the bag.

Which The Man is keeping you down?

Oh, yeah -- no one. Your position is life is your fault. Stop trying to blame other people.

You failed to address the Depression-era, wealth-gap that is present today friendo.

 

[daveman]

Which The Man is keeping you down?

Oh, yeah -- no one. Your position is life is your fault. Stop trying to blame other people.

It's not about me -- er -- him. Well, it's not about me, either. It's about US.

When in one decade we find that 5% of the population lives in poverty, and in another decade it's up to 15% or 20%, what's changed is not that people have become lazier.

How do you know? The Greatest Generation had a much stronger wok ethic than young people do today.

Nevertheless, you're trying to remove personal responsibility from the equation. Your position in live is the result of your decisions.

 

[daveman]

The wealth gap is as far apart as it was in the 1920's yet Beck, oxyRush, & the guy who wrote a book about his dog (Levin) have you people believing that selling-out U.S. interests for short-term gain is good. When America is completely sold out, those people will simply depart leaving you poor slobs behind holding the bag.

Which The Man is keeping you down?

Oh, yeah -- no one. Your position is life is your fault. Stop trying to blame other people.

You failed to address the Depression-era, wealth-gap that is present today friendo.

It's funny how you idiots define "US interests" as "anything that keeps liberals in power".

 

[Dragon]

How do you know? The Greatest Generation had a much stronger wok ethic than young people do today.

No they didn't. That's a myth. And I know it because it doesn't make sense, and also because I know how the rules of the economic game have changed.

Nevertheless, you're trying to remove personal responsibility from the equation. Your position in live is the result of your decisions.

I'm not trying to remove personal responsibility from the equation, I'm just trying to keep it in context. Any given set of economic rules of the game will determine how many losers there will be; whether YOU are a loser is indeed the result of your decisions, but HOW MANY losers there will be is not. The harder the rules make it for people to gain a middle-class standard of living, the fewer will succeed in doing that. Yes, those who do succeed will be those who are the best educated, most diligent, least self-destructive, most capable, and most able to defer gratification, but the rules are what determines just how much of these qualities is required for success.

We are currently making it way too hard, and the results are not just unfair but also damaging to the economy. That needs to change.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that today's young people bear a strong resemblance to the "Greatest Generation" in many ways, including their activism. I have seen this and other outbreaks of protest building on the Internet and social media for years; what you are seeing now is like an eruption of mushrooms from a bed that is very broad and deep, and this is only the beginning. Occupy Wall Street isn't an isolated occurrence.

 

[daveman]

How do you know? The Greatest Generation had a much stronger wok ethic than young people do today.

No they didn't. That's a myth. And I know it because it doesn't make sense, and also because I know how the rules of the economic game have changed.

It's a myth because you don't want it to be true?



You don't actually know any members of the Greatest Generation, do you? Obviously not.

Nevertheless, you're trying to remove personal responsibility from the equation. Your position in live is the result of your decisions.

I'm not trying to remove personal responsibility from the equation, I'm just trying to keep it in context. Any given set of economic rules of the game will determine how many losers there will be; whether YOU are a loser is indeed the result of your decisions, but HOW MANY losers there will be is not. The harder the rules make it for people to gain a middle-class standard of living, the fewer will succeed in doing that. Yes, those who do succeed will be those who are the best educated, most diligent, least self-destructive, most capable, and most able to defer gratification, but the rules are what determines just how much of these qualities is required for success.

We are currently making it way too hard, and the results are not just unfair but also damaging to the economy. That needs to change.

You're partly right, but not in the way you think.

The rules make it hard, but it's not the rich people making the rules -- it's the government. A person who wants to start a small business has the deck stacked against him from the start. If regulatory and reporting hurdles are removed, more small business would start up, hiring more workers, and improving the economy overall.

Class war bullshit is just that: Bullshit.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that today's young people bear a strong resemblance to the "Greatest Generation" in many ways, including their activism.

Horseshit. Today's young people are spoiled little whiners. You're really equating standing in the street and whining with fighting World War 2? Gimme a break.

I have seen this and other outbreaks of protest building on the Internet and social media for years; what you are seeing now is like an eruption of mushrooms from a bed that is very broad and deep, and this is only the beginning. Occupy Wall Street isn't an isolated occurrence.

It's an empty gesture. No one's going to change the behavior you disagree with because a bunch of stupid kids with signs were obnoxious in the streets.

True story.

 

[Katzndogz]

Poverty is a lot more comfortable than it was. It's very easy to just slip into the comfort zone of poverty.

 

[RadiomanATL]

So, this "protest" was supposed to last one day. The "protestors" didn't get the exposure they had wanted. So basically they're going to stamp their feet, whine like a two year old and say they're not going away until someone pays attention.

That about right?

 

[percysunshine]

Protesters to remain on Wall St until Monday

What? They have to go back to work then?

Monday morning quarterbacks:

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[Dragon]

You don't actually know any members of the Greatest Generation, do you? Obviously not.

My two late uncles on my father's side, my aunt on my mother's side, several of my teachers, my old Scoutmaster, a number of professors in college (getting quite old by then). My father was borderline Silent generation, but I knew quite a number of GIs. You're selling today's young people short unfairly.

You're partly right, but not in the way you think.

The rules make it hard, but it's not the rich people making the rules -- it's the government.

Of course it's the government, but the government makes it hard because it operates at the behest of corporations. And barriers to starting a small business are not the main part of the picture. In the past, it was quite easy to achieve a middle-class income just by holding down a full-time job. Blue-collar jobs paid in the middle-class range (I know because my father held one of them). The biggest change in government policy as it affects the incomes of most people is the shift in enforcement of labor law, more at the executive level than in actual legislation. That's what has made it tougher for the service jobs that have replaced so many manufacturing jobs to be unionized and keep wages high.

As for starting a small business, while I don't minimize the effects of regulatory barriers (put there mostly at the behest of big business that is allergic to competition), the biggest single hurdle is a lack of capital. The lower wages are, the harder it becomes to save money so as to be able to even TRY to start one's own business.

All things considered, protesting at Wall Street makes a lot of sense, even though the rules of the economic game are set in Washington, because Wall Street pulls Washington's strings. However, as the movement spreads and accelerates, you can be sure Washington won't be neglected.

Class war bullshit is just that: Bullshit.

"Class war" is what the rich and their political advocates start screaming when the rest of us fight back. And they're right, insomuch as a one-sided slaughter is not, properly so called, a war.

Horseshit. Today's young people are spoiled little whiners. You're really equating standing in the street and whining with fighting World War 2? Gimme a break.

Ah, so that's the source of your confusion; like a lot of people your image of the GI generation comes from their brief years of war service. That's a distorted picture. Here is a more typical image of them:

Flint Sit-Down Strike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the generation that joined Communist movements in a larger percentage than any other before or since, that voted overwhelmingly for FDR, and that, later in life, brought us Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, the Great Society, the EPA, and men on the moon. And prior to Pearl Harbor they were the backbone of a peace movement that kept us out of World War II.

As for military service, the troops serving today in Iraq and Afghanistan are just as brave and dedicated and a good deal more competent than the ones that stormed ashore on D-day (not that that was the GIs' fault, our troops are just better trained nowadays). Apples to apples and all that.

What you're seeing and pooh-pooing with derogatory language is only the barest beginning. It will grow. It's already beginning to be taken seriously; note Fox's attempted propaganda smear (if Fox thought it was as pathetic as you seem to believe, they'd be ignoring it).

 

[Katzndogz]

Why is the GOP balking Payroll tax cuts? They are the party of tax cuts correct? Talk about standing against the hard working middle class american. Easy to see.

Those on paper payroll tax cuts will be made up in additional taxes to the employer who will then cut costs by eliminating jobs or raising prices. Not to mention payroll tax cuts will just mean increased taxes someplace else on the wage earner.

It's just like the slot machines in an Indian casino. Play the penny slots you win every time. Play 45 cents, win three cents. Play 20 cents, win one cent. If you are always winning, how come you end up broke?

 

[percysunshine]

I suspect the protesters are slow and furious.

 

[driveby]

Looks like an angry mob of racists to me....

 

[percysunshine]

Looks like an angry mob of racists to me....

A very slow and furious mob.

 

[Katzndogz]

Maybe the answer is to give the protesters what they want.

Shut down Wall Street and the American stock exchanges. Move everything to China. Let the homeless move into the empty office buildings. They can share it with those NYC rats! Anyone who wants to work in the stock market can move to China too. They can fill up those empty villages the Chinese have built. All those people who depended on the Wall St. workers can apply for welfare and funemployment.

 

[PixieStix]

These protestors are just a bunch of college kids that are mad because they got degrees a a mountain of debt to get those degrees and they are not rolling in the dough. In other words they do not want to do what it takes to make it big.

Or maybe they feel like they are doing something for mankind....NOT

 

[Toro]

I don't have much use for the protesters but ...

There is some truth in what they say.

In February 2009, right in the heart of the crisis, I was at a conference in New York with a couple hundred other investment - i.e. Wall Street - types. It looked like the end of the world to the delegates. TARP had been passed a few months earlier, and a moderator at one of the session wanted to gauge investor's opinions. He asked how many people thought the TARP money should have been used to pay American citizens directly? No one put their hand up. He then asked how many people thought the money should be used to bail out the banks? Almost everyone put their hand up (me included). Finally, he asked who thought the government shouldn't have done anything? Again, not a single person raised their hand.

Wall Street has captured government. Hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars have been used to backstop the financial system, and Wall Street pays itself an enormous amount of money. People should be pissed off.

 

[daveman]

You don't actually know any members of the Greatest Generation, do you? Obviously not.

My two late uncles on my father's side, my aunt on my mother's side, several of my teachers, my old Scoutmaster, a number of professors in college (getting quite old by then). My father was borderline Silent generation, but I knew quite a number of GIs. You're selling today's young people short unfairly.

You're partly right, but not in the way you think.

The rules make it hard, but it's not the rich people making the rules -- it's the government.

Of course it's the government, but the government makes it hard because it operates at the behest of corporations. And barriers to starting a small business are not the main part of the picture. In the past, it was quite easy to achieve a middle-class income just by holding down a full-time job. Blue-collar jobs paid in the middle-class range (I know because my father held one of them). The biggest change in government policy as it affects the incomes of most people is the shift in enforcement of labor law, more at the executive level than in actual legislation. That's what has made it tougher for the service jobs that have replaced so many manufacturing jobs to be unionized and keep wages high.

As for starting a small business, while I don't minimize the effects of regulatory barriers (put there mostly at the behest of big business that is allergic to competition), the biggest single hurdle is a lack of capital. The lower wages are, the harder it becomes to save money so as to be able to even TRY to start one's own business.

All things considered, protesting at Wall Street makes a lot of sense, even though the rules of the economic game are set in Washington, because Wall Street pulls Washington's strings. However, as the movement spreads and accelerates, you can be sure Washington won't be neglected.

Class war bullshit is just that: Bullshit.

"Class war" is what the rich and their political advocates start screaming when the rest of us fight back. And they're right, insomuch as a one-sided slaughter is not, properly so called, a war.

Horseshit. Today's young people are spoiled little whiners. You're really equating standing in the street and whining with fighting World War 2? Gimme a break.

Ah, so that's the source of your confusion; like a lot of people your image of the GI generation comes from their brief years of war service. That's a distorted picture. Here is a more typical image of them:

Flint Sit-Down Strike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the generation that joined Communist movements in a larger percentage than any other before or since, that voted overwhelmingly for FDR, and that, later in life, brought us Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, the Great Society, the EPA, and men on the moon. And prior to Pearl Harbor they were the backbone of a peace movement that kept us out of World War II.

As for military service, the troops serving today in Iraq and Afghanistan are just as brave and dedicated and a good deal more competent than the ones that stormed ashore on D-day (not that that was the GIs' fault, our troops are just better trained nowadays). Apples to apples and all that.

What you're seeing and pooh-pooing with derogatory language is only the barest beginning. It will grow. It's already beginning to be taken seriously; note Fox's attempted propaganda smear (if Fox thought it was as pathetic as you seem to believe, they'd be ignoring it).

There is so much utter horse crap in this post all I'm going to do is laugh at you.