Property Secures all rights

[Old Rocks]

"Theirs"? What? Put pollutants upstream in my animals' drinking water, 2Parties, and I guarantee I will adjust your thinking.

I don't poison people even if I claim something as my own. That's what governments do. That's what sick twisted evil people do.

Bhopal.

 

[Old Rocks]

Asbestos.

 

[Old Rocks]

Exxon Valdez.

 

[Old Rocks]

Love Canal.

 

[Old Rocks]

Can Agra, peanut butter.

 

[uscitizen]

Property is your bit of control over the physical world. When you possess it you possess all rights to it which allows you to manipulate it anyway you want. From these basic right of property you direct its use by your thoughts which are naturally free and when you lose the right to do with your property as you want you lose that control over your existence. What you want to do is now subject to the community's will which is deprives you of your individual control of your own existence.

Now you might say that you can have all the freedom you want without controlling property but how so? When the government can tell you what cloths to wear, what car to drive, what color to paint your house, how many hours a day you can use the computer then what meaningful freedom do you have?

You have the freedom of thought but no way to make it happen so your free-will is being denied to you simply because you can't control your piece of the physical world.

Many quite willingly enter into restrictions even more restrictive than the govt ones on their "property".
Just buy property in a deed restricted community....

Stupit peeple.

 

[Old Rocks]

The records of corperations poisoning the citizens of this nation by way of shortcuts and withholding or repressing information has a long track record.

 

[Old Rocks]

I don't poison people even if I claim something as my own. That's what governments do. That's what sick twisted evil people do.

no. that's what AMORAL corporations do if they are unregulated.

That's what corporations do when they are regulated and they can pay a fine instead of reimbursing property owners properly.

Why pay the property owner the $500k damage you did to his property with the toxins you dumped on him when the government says it's a $10k fine?

Not with this President. You put up 20 Billion to start with. And still face criminal charges.

 

[2Parties]

What in his "attitude" do you disagree with?

Ask the dead civilians in Iraq whose children and property were destroyed by bombs. Ask victims of Gulf War Syndrome. Ask the dead Japanese who had a nuke dropped on them.

Maybe then you will understand.

I was being factitious.


What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?
Mahatma Gandhi

Excellent quote and applies perfectly to those who say we need to kill in the name of "freedom".

 

[Yurt]

property secures nothing...it is the power behind the 'property' that secures

 

[2Parties]

The damage by mining far exceeds the idea "of a few rogue miners." Study what logging did to the upper midwest, logging and coal extraction to West Virginia's mountains, a 95% cut of the virgin Texas forests (20 million acres) by the 1930s, to our rivers and lakes and communities and wetlands and, you name it.

Please give me specifics and not just throw random shit at the wall. I can't just type that into Google and find anything. Give me names, corporations, specific damages, years.

It's like the arguments "kids died in the industrial revolution in factories"

Big business must be regulated. Its behavior over the last 150 years leave no other alternative.

Big business is big business because of government.

Illinois Central Railroad, BP, Amtrak

 

[2Parties]

"Theirs"? What? Put pollutants upstream in my animals' drinking water, 2Parties, and I guarantee I will adjust your thinking.

I don't poison people even if I claim something as my own. That's what governments do. That's what sick twisted evil people do.

Bhopal.

Bhopal was at the hands of UCC which is owned by Dow Chemical.

You know, the same Dow Chemical that wouldn't have made napalm and Agent Orange if the government would have banned that. Oh wait, that was at the hands of government. When they aren't harming people in war they create their own disasters. All "Free market" of course.

 

[uscitizen]

Our government is the biggest business.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Control of your property is not absolute. Don't open a hog farm in a residential area. The city will close you down, and the neighbors will be eating a lot of bacon and sausage a gratis thanks to you.

If control of your property isn't absolute then your property isn't your property.

You and I are neighbors, and a river runs through our properties. That river is the source of drinking water for your livestock and your family. I live upstream from you and dump poisonous PCBs in the river that kills your animals and family. It is my property, so fuck off.

Which doesn't appear to be relevant to what I said at all.

 

[2Parties]

Asbestos.

Please read about the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (government) and it's critical link to asbestos and it's exposure.

 

[2Parties]

Exxon Valdez.

Exxon spun off of Standard Oil headed by the Rockefellers. I think we all know their ties to government.

 

[2Parties]

Love Canal.

That land was owned by Hooker Chemical and was a toxic dump site and they said it should be sealed off. They demonstrated it. The Niagra Falls School board insisted they wanted the land. Hooker Chemical sold them the site for $1 and specified in the contract the problems with the land and that they were no longer responsible for it. That led to government building at the site and the rest is history.

This is a perfect example (sadly) of exactly what I'm talking about.

Company: Hey you stupid government. This is a toxic waste site.
Government: So?
Company: You can have it but it's poison and should be sealed off.
Government: *builds school on it*

 

[2Parties]

Can Agra, peanut butter.

FDA inspectors checked into complaints about salmonella contamination in a ConAgra Foods factory in Georgia in 2005. But when company managers refused to provide documents the inspectors requested, the inspectors left and did not follow up.

Salmonella Peanut Butter Then and Now: ConAgra Vs. Peanut Corp. | BNET Food Blog | BNET

Good thing we have the FDA out to protect us.

Another great thing about the "free market" ConAgra are their corn subsidies...

 

[2Parties]

The records of corperations poisoning the citizens of this nation by way of shortcuts and withholding or repressing information has a long track record.

It seems all your examples are at the hands of corporations with huge government ties and are the result of either government endorsement (see Love Canal) or just plain negligence (see ConAgra).

That these are examples of "evil" corporations poisoning people and that they need more regulations (that they will probably write themselves) is not only laughable, it's pathetic.

 

[2Parties]

Not with this President. You put up 20 Billion to start with. And still face criminal charges.

Wow he's tough. Probably well hung too.

According to USASpending.gov, BP has received more than $9 billion in defense contracts since 2000. Contracts with Veterans Affairs, Transportation, Commerce and other federal agencies total additional millions.

Awesome.