Slade3200
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Many of these groups pursue their causes with inappropriate behavior and that should be condemned and punished. When the entire cause is condemnable then any action to promote that cause is inappropriate. We fought wars over the core of these groups and their ideals have been rejected at the cost of millions of lives. game overBecause you happen to agree with the goals of the core groups, you find them based in "love and equality", rather than diviseness and furthering one group over another. It is nonsensical to claim that the Muslim and LGBT groups are not interesting in advancing their agendas at the cost of others, just as can be said about the others.You make fair points and I agree with you for the most part. I don't think that crime should be excused by any group. The difference between the examples that you provided is the core mission of those 3 groups. The Muslim and LBGT groups have good core missions revolving around love and equality vs. their fringe extremists whose actions should be condemned. The Nazi's, KKK, and white supremacists have hateful, divisive, illegal and un-American core missions, to segregate, dispel and divide. We had a civil war and a civil rights movement that fought against those values. Their group as a whole is overwhelmingly condemned based on their core mission. The others are condemned when extremists take their protests too far and produce destruction and violence. Do you see the difference?The thing is Emily, we are not comparing to groups with a simple difference of opinion. We are talking about polar opposite situations. Gay rights is fighting for the right to LOVE who they want and live like a free citizen in their country. Nazis and WS's spread HATE SPEECH.Yes and no. Yes they should allow equal expression of beliefs as they want for their own beliefs. No, neither should get abusive about it.Let me see if I'm understanding your point correctly. You think the LGBT community should accept white supremacy and Nazis under the same premise that they expect to be accepted into society by Christians?
Is that right?
The difference between race and orientation is race is genetically determined but orientation is faith based like someones religious affiliation. So these beliefs ppl have can't be regulated by govt. Nor can they be established or prohibited. If there is a conflict between ppl of different beliefs, the fair thing to do is either resolve it mutually or agree to separate. Govt should never be abused to establish or prohibit a faith based belief. Ppl need to work those out for themselves, not impose on or abuse each other so badly they end up whining to govt to break up a fist fight. Grow up and quit incitng fights to begin with. Then govt doesn't have to step in to a fight between kids that escalates until someone gets hurt. It's called growing up, and I'm surprised more ppl haven't figured it out yet. Gee whiz.
Regulation of speech is not new. I can't post a billboard of an old naked guy next to an elementary school. I can't walk into a business and threaten/intimidate employees or other customers. In some places I can't sign at the top of my lungs after midnight and wake up all the neighbors.
Excuse me Slade3200 but we should make the same disinction:
* between peaceful Muslims who believe in peace and obeying civil authority laws and govt
vs. the inciteful violent Jihadists who seek to violate laws, discriminate and destroy illegally
* between lawabiding white supremacist and nationalists who believe in obeying laws to preserve European history and culture
vs. the violent criminal groups seeking to conspire to violate the civil rights of others
AND
* between the LGBT advocates seeking equality and inclusion
vs. the ones abusing party, media and govt to pass laws VIOLATING equal rights and beliefs of others.
If we want to credit the LGBT advocate for seeking inclusion and defense of equal rights
and NOT blame "that whole movement" for the LGBT defenders who BASH and SUE to REMOVE Christian references
from schools and public institutions while defending their own faith-based practices,
then we should make this same distinction with ALL groups.
Otherwise, we are guilty of discrimination and only
making this distinction for the groups we sympathize with, and not others.
I still work with all BLM supporters willing to work with me and others on common causes.
But if they keep dividing and refusing to work with ALM and other groups, that division is half their fault.
I can still work with LGBT activists willing to include and defend ALL beliefs under the same Constitution.
But Slade3200 when LGBT REFUSE to include former gays and DENOUNCE them as frauds,
when they BASH and BLAME Christians for their beliefs and seek to PENALIZE THEM BY LAW,
that is just as unconstitutional by discriminating by creed.
I've run into this over and over.
However, I am willing to distinguish the truly inclusive LGBT from the
ones preaching hatred, rejection and fear of Christianity.
But the way they reject and denounce any talk of people who once identified
gay, then came out as straight, this speaks to mass discrimination and hypocrisy on the side of LGBT in general.
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