Presidential Disaster Typically Courted In Times Of High Confidence

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I think this article has an excellent analysis of what is going on in the Trump Administration - to wit: it's happened before, Trump's own actions turned what might have been a minor sideline in the overall investigation of Russia's actions into what might be a major scandal.

The real focus and scandal SHOULD have been on the Russian actions and attempted interference of a magnitude not seen before. But Trump's response to and attempts to divert it turned the focus on him and his associates and made sure it stayed there in the public eye and the cyber communitee obsessed with either knee jerk defense of all things Trump or knee jerk attack of all things Trump ignoring the most important issue and centerpoint of the investigation.

Whether there was collusion by Trump personally or by his associates remains to be seen when investigation is concluded despite "experts" to the contrary - but his own actions have turned this into a 3-ring circus and his presidency into a premature lame duck with a toxic touch.

Some bits and pieces....

Presidential Disaster Typically Courted In Times Of High Confidence

In his testimony this week, Comey spoke of cyber-attacks on "perhaps more than a thousand" different entities and agencies in and out of government. He called it an effort to tell Americans "what to think and what to fight about," and "a big deal."


But the response of the president-elect and his entourage has been all along to cast doubt on the existence of the attacks, doubt on the Russian role and doubt on the motives of those who, like Comey, saw something nefarious afoot. It was, said the president, all an excuse for the disappointing showing by the Democrats at the ballot box, a line he has repeated even into the spring.


Mueller is now beginning his investigation with a heavy-weight staff and a meaningful mandate. Committees in Congress will also continue taking testimony. Much of all this will take place in private. Time will pass before we know the full extent of their findings.


But this much is clear. Something the Trump team might have dealt with expeditiously as recently as six months ago has grown to cast a shadow on the White House and the prospects for the president's agenda.


In that sense, the early stumbles of the new administration remind us of previous rough patches for predecessors. Other administrations also missed the chance to cut their losses at the first sign of scandal, and they did so in part because trouble struck when they were at a moment of maximum power and expectation.


On Thursday, Speaker Paul Ryan said President Trump's only problem was "he's new at this." Trump, 70, has been called many things over the years, but rarely "naïve." It is more likely the president-elect of late 2016 and early 2017 considered himself to be bullet-proof.


 
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You realize Obama was president during the Russian interference in the election and it was Obama's responsibility to stop it and deal with Russia right? Apparently he wasn't up to the job.
 
How about showing us some long awaited evidence? Your insistence that Trump got in the way with no evidence of that either is a poor substitute.
 
I think this article has an excellent analysis of what is going on in the Trump Administration - to wit: it's happened before, if Trump's own actions turned what might have been a minor sideline in the overall investigation of Russia's actions into what might be a major scandal.

The real focus and scandal SHOULD have been on the Russian actions and attempted interference of a magnitude not seen before. But Trump's response to and attempts to divert it turned the focus on him and his associates and made sure it stayed there in the public eye and the cyber communitee obsessed with either knee jerk defense of all things Trump or knee jerk attack of all things Trump ignoring the most important issue and centerpoint of the investigation.

Whether there was collusion by Trump personally or by his associates remains to be seen when investigation is concluded despite "experts" to the contrary - but his own actions have turned this into a 3-ring circus and his presidency into a premature lame duck with a toxic touch.

Some bits and pieces....

Presidential Disaster Typically Courted In Times Of High Confidence

In his testimony this week, Comey spoke of cyber-attacks on "perhaps more than a thousand" different entities and agencies in and out of government. He called it an effort to tell Americans "what to think and what to fight about," and "a big deal."


But the response of the president-elect and his entourage has been all along to cast doubt on the existence of the attacks, doubt on the Russian role and doubt on the motives of those who, like Comey, saw something nefarious afoot. It was, said the president, all an excuse for the disappointing showing by the Democrats at the ballot box, a line he has repeated even into the spring.


Mueller is now beginning his investigation with a heavy-weight staff and a meaningful mandate. Committees in Congress will also continue taking testimony. Much of all this will take place in private. Time will pass before we know the full extent of their findings.


But this much is clear. Something the Trump team might have dealt with expeditiously as recently as six months ago has grown to cast a shadow on the White House and the prospects for the president's agenda.


In that sense, the early stumbles of the new administration remind us of previous rough patches for predecessors. Other administrations also missed the chance to cut their losses at the first sign of scandal, and they did so in part because trouble struck when they were at a moment of maximum power and expectation.


On Thursday, Speaker Paul Ryan said President Trump's only problem was "he's new at this." Trump, 70, has been called many things over the years, but rarely "naïve." It is more likely the president-elect of late 2016 and early 2017 considered himself to be bullet-proof.


The only disaster is the lack of mental healthcare services for the psychotic left.
 
You realize Obama was president during the Russian interference in the election and it was Obama's responsibility to stop it and deal with Russia right? Apparently he wasn't up to the job.

They were gathering rock solid information ... even with that the righties called it fake news until yesterday..:confused:
Obama said Russia stopped hacking before the election. Why did Obama lie?
 
You realize Obama was president during the Russian interference in the election and it was Obama's responsibility to stop it and deal with Russia right? Apparently he wasn't up to the job.

They were gathering rock solid information ... even with that the righties called it fake news until yesterday..:confused:
Obama said Russia stopped hacking before the election. Why did Obama lie?
He thought they had stopped because he told Putin to "cut it out".
 
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And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
 
And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
The campaign was during Obama's term but that isn't relevant when we discuss potential foreign involvement? How does that work?
 
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And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
The campaign was during Obama's term but that isn't relevant when we discuss potential foreign involvement? How does that work?

And that has what to do with the current scandal other than to deflect away from it? Are you unable to speak about what is going on NOW? :dunno:

The point of the OP was how Trump himself was the agent of his current misfortunes and the similarities to the Nixon, Reagan and Clinton administration's scandals and arrogance.
 
Let the investigation play out.

Did hackers help Wikileaks obtain damaging emails against the DNC and Clinton Campaign Staff?

Sure.

Do I believe Trump was foolish enough to work with the Hackers or any of his staffers?

As for Trump I do not believe he was that stupid but as for allowing his staff that will fall on a sword, well maybe.
 
And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
Obama spent the first 4 years of his presidency deflecting by blaming Bush! Oops, I did it again, I deflected.
 
And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
The campaign was during Obama's term but that isn't relevant when we discuss potential foreign involvement? How does that work?

And that has what to do with the current scandal other than to deflect away from it? Are you unable to speak about what is going on NOW? :dunno:

The point of the OP was how Trump himself was the agent of his current misfortunes and the similarities to the Nixon, Reagan and Clinton administration's scandals and arrogance.
The so called Russian involvement happened during Obama's term, that's how it relates. How is it possible you don't know that? What scandal? When the left is unhappy we are supposed to embrace it as a scandal. In reality it's just noise because that's all they know how to do, try to make the other guy look worse.
 
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How about showing us some long awaited evidence? Your insistence that Trump got in the way with no evidence of that either is a poor substitute.


What's funny is this: Comey says (on multiple occassions including his most recent testimony) that the Russians have conducted hacking and interference. You say he's lying? Yet when he says that the Trump himself is not a target of investigation at this time - you applaud the truth and Trump is vincidated.

This isn't a cafeteria where you can select Comey's statements ala carte.
 
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And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
Obama spent the first 4 years of his presidency deflecting by blaming Bush! Oops, I did it again, I deflected.

Deflection noted :)
 
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And the usual deflections, ignoring the substance of the OP - Obama Obama Obama, followed by a helping of knee jerk Trump protectionism :lol:
The campaign was during Obama's term but that isn't relevant when we discuss potential foreign involvement? How does that work?

And that has what to do with the current scandal other than to deflect away from it? Are you unable to speak about what is going on NOW? :dunno:

The point of the OP was how Trump himself was the agent of his current misfortunes and the similarities to the Nixon, Reagan and Clinton administration's scandals and arrogance.
The so called Russian involvement happened during Obama's term, that's how it relates. How is it possible you don't know that? What scandal? When the left is unhappy we are supposed to embrace it as a scandal. In reality it's just noise because that's all they know how to do, try to make the other guy look worse.

So you can't actually discuss the current scandal that played out in Comey's testimony?
 

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