Possible Causes and Solutions to the California Drought

[Silhouette]

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO ABANDON FASCISM, CEASE AND DESIST CONTROLLING THE WATER MARKETPLACE AND RESTORE CAPITALISM AND THE FREE MARKET.

ALL OTHER FASCISTIC/SOCIALISTIC SUGGESTIONS ARE DOOMED TO FAIL.

Fascism...you mean like the dictatorship that the petrolium giants hold American free markets under? That giant thumb pressing at the back of our collective necks? And how is free energy bungling up your little red wagon on water? So you are FOR California's drought conditions so the lack of supply means your profits, mansions and yachts will keep flowing in? How about California's economy? Pull you money out of drought-starved water profits then and put them in cauliflower, almonds or lettuce and quit being such a selfish prick.

 

[Contumacious]

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO ABANDON FASCISM, CEASE AND DESIST CONTROLLING THE WATER MARKETPLACE AND RESTORE CAPITALISM AND THE FREE MARKET.

ALL OTHER FASCISTIC/SOCIALISTIC SUGGESTIONS ARE DOOMED TO FAIL.

Fascism...you mean like the dictatorship that the petrolium giants hold American free markets under? That giant thumb pressing at the back of our collective necks? And how is free energy bungling up your little red wagon on water? So you are FOR California's drought conditions so the lack of supply means your profits, mansions and yachts will keep flowing in? How about California's economy? Pull you money out of drought-starved water profits then and put them in cauliflower, almonds or lettuce and quit being such a selfish prick.

NO, I MEAN LIKE THE GAZILLION RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH PREVENT WATER FROM BEING PRIVATIZED.


AND AS FAR AS THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY IS CONCERN BLAME THE POLITICANS IN DC WHO LIKE TO ANTAGONIZE OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN. WATCH THE PRICE OF PETROLEUM COME DOWN IF THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL IS APPROVED


SECONDLY , BLAME THE ENVIRO-NAZIS WHO INSIST THAT THE PETROCHEMICAL INDUSTRY EXPLORE FOR OIL IN THE DEEPEST PARTS OF THE GULF OF MEXICO.

FUCK YOU, NOW.


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[longknife]

Bridge washed out on I-10 between Cal and Az from severe storm,

Streets in the LA/San Diego area flooded.

Mudslides.

Beaches closed.

Happy drought, Golden State. According to forecasts, starting in Sept, lots and lots of rain coming.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah... I'm going go with "IT'S A DESERT" theory.

Except it really isn't.

We have a desert, the Mojave, but most of the state is not desert. Los Angeles is mostly Mediterranean, ditto Orange and Riverside counties. Lancaster and Palmdale are desert, but are distinct from Glendale or West Covina. Palm Springs is desert, but Corona or Temecula sure aren't. San Bernardino county is mostly desert and encompasses most of the Mojave.

California has an extremely diverse ecosystem. It also has weather patterns that include drought and flood. This year is a flood year, and it's already started. The problem is that the state has done nothing since the early 80's to improve our water storage, so all the water that came down over the last week will just go out to the ocean. Welfare for illegals is more important to the scum in Sacramento than providing water for the state,

 

[Silhouette]

Uh oh! The font size is getting large. And potty words are getting hurled around.. Why resist California pulling itself out of a bad bad situation with free fuel?

All I see is endless sun for California's forecast. Please point me to the data showing it's raining/flooding there right now? It's in the fourth year of one of its driest stretches ever. I guess you folks missed the I-15 fire footage last week?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uh oh! The font size is getting large. And potty words are getting hurled around.. Why resist California pulling itself out of a bad bad situation with free fuel?

All I see is endless sun for California's forecast. Please point me to the data showing it's raining/flooding there right now? It's in the fourth year of one of its driest stretches ever. I guess you folks missed the I-15 fire footage last week?

Floodwaters shut down part of I-10 in Southern California - CNN.com

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The El Niño phenomenon that has warmed Pacific waters has apparently laid out a welcome mat for tropical storms to creep north, closer to the California coast than during normal years, allowing for systems such as Tropical Storm Dolores to bring muggy, rainy weather to the West’s parched landscape, said Stuart Seto, an National Weather Service specialist.


“Even though Dolores is a pretty good wake-up call for us, we should start preparing for late August or early September,” Seto said, saying that's when the region could see more sustained rains.

After that comes California’s traditional rain season, which begins in October. A strong El Niño could mean significant relief from the state's unrelenting drought, Seto said.

But while a heavy rain season could spell long-term relief for California’s landscape, it would test Southern California's infrastructure. On Sunday afternoon, a creek in Desert Center between Coachella and the Arizona border was overwhelmed and washed out a bridge on the 10 Freeway.}

Unusually strong July rains offer a preview of a robust El Ni o - LA Times

 

[Silhouette]

It's hot as crap and dry as crap in So. Cal right now. WTF are you talking about?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's hot as crap and dry as crap in So. Cal right now. WTF are you talking about?

So, you are no where near Southern California...



{
Highlights

• Los Angeles, San Diego and over a dozen other California cities set all-time rainfall records for the month of July.
• Rain continues to fall, adding further to the already unprecedented mid-summer rainfall, which one National Weather Service meteorologist called "super historic."
• Part of Interstate 10 was washed out by flooding Sunday in the deserts of California.
• Widespread showers and thunderstorms across the Desert Southwest are being fueled by moisture from former Hurricane Dolores.
• Flash flood watches are in effect for parts of the Desert Southwest Monday.
• Dolores degenerated into a post-tropical low roughly 300 miles west of the coast of Baja California, Mexico, Saturday evening.
• High surf and rip currents can be expected along the west coast of Baja California, as well as the coast of southern California, due to swells generated when Dolores was a hurricane.

(MORE: State-by-State Southwest Storm Reports | Dolores Recap | Tropical Update)}

 

[eagle1462010]

Desalination plants are used all over the world and in some cases are virtually their only real water source...................It works and can easily pump water to the suburbs for their water.............and lower the needed usage from the mountain runoffs..............
Using Solar power to do so would not be cost effective for the energy needed to do so..............There are limits to it's power per square area, and it would increase the cost............as by putting in these plants you would add to the cost of water for the residents of southern California.

Wrong.
How can zero energy cost be too expensive? Solar power strikes the earth at an average of 1 kilowatt per square meter and is likely much more intense in the area in question...since it is a world wide estimate.

Yes, how CAN zero energy costs for fuel (solar radiation) be "too expensive"? (I always love watching BigOil schills spin this one..) Anyone can see how powerful concentrated solar radiation is by grabbing a headlight reflector off of a junker car, take out the bulb in the middle, insert a piece of wood or paper there, and point the reflector at the sun. Be careful and wear protective sunglasses and NEVER look anywhere near the middle of the concave reflector while you do this unless you want to go blind. Also have a glass of water to put out the fire that will start in a matter of seconds.

The systems being put in place are not made up of head light reflectors....................the systems cost money. A lot of it............and they like any other product will require maintenance in the future...............it is the cost of building and maintaining the facilities that is the bottom line..................It's not free..............never has been..............the viability of it is it's pay back time..................

Germany has gone green..............built more Green Energy systems than most...................and now with the VAT added in it costs them 37cents a kwh for energy...........................I pay 9.5 cents per kwh now. I can buy nearly 4 kwhs for the same price as a German can buy 1k wh........................it's expensive....................until it goes even further down in price it isn't the cost effective way to produce power.

 

[eagle1462010]

It's hot as crap and dry as crap in So. Cal right now. WTF are you talking about?

So, you are no where near Southern California...



{
Highlights

• Los Angeles, San Diego and over a dozen other California cities set all-time rainfall records for the month of July.
• Rain continues to fall, adding further to the already unprecedented mid-summer rainfall, which one National Weather Service meteorologist called "super historic."
• Part of Interstate 10 was washed out by flooding Sunday in the deserts of California.
• Widespread showers and thunderstorms across the Desert Southwest are being fueled by moisture from former Hurricane Dolores.
• Flash flood watches are in effect for parts of the Desert Southwest Monday.
• Dolores degenerated into a post-tropical low roughly 300 miles west of the coast of Baja California, Mexico, Saturday evening.
• High surf and rip currents can be expected along the west coast of Baja California, as well as the coast of southern California, due to swells generated when Dolores was a hurricane.

(MORE: State-by-State Southwest Storm Reports | Dolores Recap | Tropical Update)}

El Nino.............and more rain will come if history repeats itself......................



Sorry.......I can't resist playing that SNL skit on this........

 

[Silhouette]

Wrong.
How can zero energy cost be too expensive? Solar power strikes the earth at an average of 1 kilowatt per square meter and is likely much more intense in the area in question...since it is a world wide estimate.

Yes, how CAN zero energy costs for fuel (solar radiation) be "too expensive"? (I always love watching BigOil schills spin this one..) Anyone can see how powerful concentrated solar radiation is by grabbing a headlight reflector off of a junker car, take out the bulb in the middle, insert a piece of wood or paper there, and point the reflector at the sun. Be careful and wear protective sunglasses and NEVER look anywhere near the middle of the concave reflector while you do this unless you want to go blind. Also have a glass of water to put out the fire that will start in a matter of seconds.

The systems being put in place are not made up of head light reflectors..the systems cost money. A lot of it....and they like any other product will require maintenance in the future......it is the cost of building and maintaining the facilities that is the bottom line.....It's not free....never has been.....the viability of it is it's pay back time.....

Yes, you're right. Sheet metal bent concave to form a simple concentrating reflecting surface that shines on a metal pipe (extremely difficult and expensive to produce I'm sure) filled with water that is then boiled and distilled like Kentucky moonshiners have done for centuries now, I suppose does cost a little bit of money. And every now and then the owner of the plant will have to wipe down the reflectors and keep them clean.

Though, there is no outlay for fuel because that's free. And there's no carbon pollution at all, so that is also free.

I'm wondering if you can post links for the readers here on the costs of mining oil and coal and uraniaum and how expensive it is to set up and run oil electric plants or nuclear power plants so we can actually run a "setup and maintenance" costs comparison. Then we can see which industry turns more profit for its owners.. The fuel part is easy. Yours is expensive and solar radiation is free. So that's a win for California's side. Just prove up how much "cheaper" it is to mine oil, transport it, refine it, mitigate wastes, national security costs, the fuel itself, and how filthy any carbon plant would be expected to run and how often therefore maintenance would have to be done, vs mirrors and sunshine and a tube filled with water?

OK?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, you're right. Sheet metal bent concave to form a simple concentrating reflecting surface that shines on a metal pipe (extremely difficult and expensive to produce I'm sure) filled with water that is then boiled and distilled like Kentucky moonshiners have done for centuries now, I suppose does cost a little bit of money. And every now and then the owner of the plant will have to wipe down the reflectors and keep them clean.

Though, there is no outlay for fuel because that's free. And there's no carbon pollution at all, so that is also free.

I'm wondering if you can post links for the readers here on the costs of mining oil and coal and uraniaum and how expensive it is to set up and run oil electric plants or nuclear power plants so we can actually run a "setup and maintenance" costs comparison. Then we can see which industry turns more profit for its owners.. The fuel part is easy. Yours is expensive and solar radiation is free. So that's a win for California's side. Just prove up how much "cheaper" it is to mine oil, transport it, refine it, mitigate wastes, national security costs, the fuel itself, and how filthy any carbon plant would be expected to run and how often therefore maintenance would have to be done, vs mirrors and sunshine and a tube filled with water?

OK?

California law requires the government mandated monopoly that supplies electricity to buy surplus power from consumers. SO if what you claim is true, you can set up your pipes and reflectors and start generating electricity at a great profit.

NOW, why do you think no one has done this?

 

[Silhouette]

California law requires the government mandated monopoly that supplies electricity to buy surplus power from consumers. SO if what you claim is true, you can set up your pipes and reflectors and start generating electricity at a great profit.

NOW, why do you think no one has done this?

I don't know. Would you be interested, since you could not deny that linear solar thermal steam can cheaply produce power, in helping me start a campaign to encourage people to generate their own power, simply and cheaply? Or would you be satisfied more with centralized power companies calling their monopoly a "safety issue" where homeowners couldn't be trusted to produce their own power without shocking themselves or burning down their house? I don't care who makes the money off the free-fueled power source. Go ahead, pack the pockets of Congress and regulate people from being able to produce their own at home. I don't give a crap. I just want the temperatures in my area to stop climbing more and more each year. Go ahead and make a truckload of money. In fact, double down on securing the rights to manufacture using solar thermal. Just do whatever your greed-motivation tells you to do in order to save our fucking planet.

It seems a fairly obvious choice even for a money-oriented reptile that the choice to "make a lot of money" with an energy source that doesn't destroy the place would be a far better choice than to make a lot of money with a technology that is destroying the place.

Get your monopoly! Go for it!

 

[Contumacious]

Uh oh! The font size is getting large. And potty words are getting hurled around.. Why resist California pulling itself out of a bad bad situation with free fuel?

All I see is endless sun for California's forecast. Please point me to the data showing it's raining/flooding there right now? It's in the fourth year of one of its driest stretches ever. I guess you folks missed the I-15 fire footage last week?

The Water ‘Shortage’


If the water industry were free and competitive, the response to a drought would be very simple: water would rise in price. There would be griping about the increase in water prices, no doubt, but there would be no “shortage”, and no need or call for the usual baggage of patriotic hoopla, calls for conservation, altruistic pleas for sacrifice to the common good, and all the rest. But, of course, the water industry is scarcely free; on the contrary, water is almost everywhere in the U.S. the product and service of a governmental monopoly."


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[Silhouette]

California is beyond worrying about water-price politics. They are in a state of emergency. Though profiteers love emergencies...the state has another focus: its basic fiscal survival which is dependent upon agriculture getting water to the crops. So "overruled" would be the best thing to say to rebut your points.

 

[MisterBeale]

A twistedly-funny thought just occurred to me: Los Angeles is destroying the United States! Why does that come as no shock to me? That's where Hollywood is also..

You won't think it's so funny when the price of food skyrockets this year.

The price of food is already artificially manipulated with price supports, and warped out of shape because of the food stamp program.

None of us has any idea what the true price of food would be if it weren't for the Ag bill. So quit your bitchin'

 

[MisterBeale]

A twistedly-funny thought just occurred to me: Los Angeles is destroying the United States! Why does that come as no shock to me? That's where Hollywood is also..

You won't think it's so funny when the price of food skyrockets this year.

Not likely. This has happened before.
In any event, we get most of our fruit and veggies from outside of the US...For example, Florida has all but stopped supplying oranges to the US.

If you value produce or nuts, some of the healthiest foods to consume around, or rice, you've relied on the Central or Salinas Valleys in CA. Also if you've had avocados from the US, you've had them from California.

Sure, we could buy food from other countries, but would that be wise to cut away the last ever-reliable source of world power the US has (food supply)? I think not. California keeps our national security humming along. Best to keep a close eye on its water tables..

Oh well, we'll get by. Supply and demand you know. If supply dries up in one area, and there is a demand out there, it will be filled by someone.

I think a lot of us relish watching California's economy sinking into the sands of history.

They are kind of like that neighborhood drug dealer, ya know? Sure, they push out those culturally corrupting movies and shitty junk food, but in the end, when they sink into the sea, after they have corrupted and destroyed the nation, there really is no love lost.

Most of us who REALLY care about food, buy local anyway. So why should we give a shit? Next to California, my state produces the largest variety of food in the nation. And we have the largest supply of fresh water in the nation. Don't expect any of it. Laws have already been passed with Canada to protect and outlaw the exportation of it.

California's problem IS GREED. The population is so shallow and greedy it is beyond belief. Everything is skin deep. Everyone only cares about what others think of them. It's why everyone is liberal. No consideration of what is really going on.

 

[MisterBeale]

California is beyond worrying about water-price politics. They are in a state of emergency. Though profiteers love emergencies...the state has another focus: its basic fiscal survival which is dependent upon agriculture getting water to the crops. So "overruled" would be the best thing to say to rebut your points.

Good.

 

[MisterBeale]

California's and New York's "State of Emergency's" are what are continually bringing this nation down.

The rest of the Union should just cut them loose.

 

[Silhouette]

I think a lot of us relish watching California's economy sinking into the sands of history....They are kind of like that neighborhood drug dealer, ya know? Sure, they push out those culturally corrupting movies and shitty junk food, but in the end, when they sink into the sea, after they have corrupted and destroyed the nation, there really is no love lost...California's problem IS GREED. The population is so shallow and greedy it is beyond belief. Everything is skin deep. Everyone only cares about what others think of them. It's why everyone is liberal. No consideration of what is really going on.

I agree about the culture. I'm worried about the land. I think the country does well by preserving the land and farming/ecosystems of California. For one thing, the OP states clearly why the Midwest may need to worry about its desertification, particularly east of the Sierras. As for the culture there? Good riddance.