POLL: What do you expect from the major media?

What do you expect from the major media?

  • Objective & Comprehensive look at the news. I will draw my own conclusions.

    Votes: 14 63.6%
  • Include opinion & bias, and I'll seek out the sources I agree with.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other, explain

    Votes: 8 36.4%

  • Total voters
    22
The Guardian.

Tough question?

In reality, I'd check out all three, look for more, and then ... find some random blogger telling me what I want to hear and go with that.



That's nice. But you still haven't answered the question.


Well, I assumed it was rhetorical. I'd never be content with such a choice in real life. If those were, somehow, the ONLY sources of information, I'd probably not bother with the news at all.


That's nice. Humor me.


I am. I'm honestly answering your question. If I was somehow forced to go with only one source of news, I wouldn't take it very seriously at all. Picking one source as an authority is the problem here. Rejecting such a choice is the solution.
 
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Tough question?

In reality, I'd check out all three, look for more, and then ... find some random blogger telling me what I want to hear and go with that.



That's nice. But you still haven't answered the question.


Well, I assumed it was rhetorical. I'd never be content with such a choice in real life. If those were, somehow, the ONLY sources of information, I'd probably not bother with the news at all.


That's nice. Humor me.


I am. I'm honestly answering your question. If I was somehow forced to go with only one source of news, I wouldn't take it very seriously at all. Pick one source as an authority is the problem here. Rejecting such a choice is the solution.


A person being honest with himself could answer that question easily.
 
In reality, I'd check out all three, look for more, and then ... find some random blogger telling me what I want to hear and go with that.



That's nice. But you still haven't answered the question.


Well, I assumed it was rhetorical. I'd never be content with such a choice in real life. If those were, somehow, the ONLY sources of information, I'd probably not bother with the news at all.


That's nice. Humor me.


I am. I'm honestly answering your question. If I was somehow forced to go with only one source of news, I wouldn't take it very seriously at all. Pick one source as an authority is the problem here. Rejecting such a choice is the solution.


A person being honest with himself could answer that question easily.


Really? So I'm a liar because I point out that the false dichotomy you offer up IS the problem? Sticking to one source of news, rather than critically assessing multiple sources, is the mistake too many people are making. People get news that's filtered to suit their biases and lose track of what other people might think. That's why we have Trump as our president. We took CNN's word for it that Trump was a sure loser for the Republicans. I fell for it just as hard, maybe harder, that most.

In retrospect, I wish I'd actually watched some Fox news, or spent more time in the rural areas where I'm from. Maybe I'd have at least seen it coming.
 
That's nice. But you still haven't answered the question.

Well, I assumed it was rhetorical. I'd never be content with such a choice in real life. If those were, somehow, the ONLY sources of information, I'd probably not bother with the news at all.

That's nice. Humor me.

I am. I'm honestly answering your question. If I was somehow forced to go with only one source of news, I wouldn't take it very seriously at all. Pick one source as an authority is the problem here. Rejecting such a choice is the solution.

A person being honest with himself could answer that question easily.

Really? So I'm a liar because I point out that the false dichotomy you offer up IS the problem? Sticking to one source of news, rather than critically assessing multiple sources, is the mistake too many people are making. People get news that's filtered to suit their biases and lose track of what other people might think. That's why we have Trump as our president. We took CNN's word for it that Trump was a sure loser for the Republicans. I fell for it just as hard, maybe harder, that most.

In retrospect, I wish I'd actually watched some Fox news, or spent more time in the rural areas where I'm from. Maybe I'd have at least seen it coming.

I actually didn't call you a liar. I don't think you are a liar.
 
In reality, I'd check out all three, look for more, and then ... find some random blogger telling me what I want to hear and go with that.



That's nice. But you still haven't answered the question.


Well, I assumed it was rhetorical. I'd never be content with such a choice in real life. If those were, somehow, the ONLY sources of information, I'd probably not bother with the news at all.


That's nice. Humor me.


I am. I'm honestly answering your question. If I was somehow forced to go with only one source of news, I wouldn't take it very seriously at all. Pick one source as an authority is the problem here. Rejecting such a choice is the solution.


A person being honest with himself could answer that question easily.

I don't agree.
 
The Professor never did come back to that thread to take his medicine. Sad.

There was no medicine to take.

After I posted my response to your silly allegations, I had nothing further to say on that thread. I completely destroyed you and that was my objective. As for later comments from other posters, there was nothing worthy of my response.

LoneLaughter is an appropriate name for you. No one is laughing with you. The laughter you hear is the roar of people laughing at you. You need to grow up my intellectually diminutive antagonist. Play with people your own age and with your diminished mental capacity. You're incapable of serious discussions with most posters on this site because ....let me see how to say this delicately.... because you're a stupid asshole!

Now I am finished with you. I have nothing to say until the next time you accuse my of having Beck as my hero or being a Beck devotee.
 
The Professor never did come back to that thread to take his medicine. Sad.

There was no medicine to take.

After I posted my response to your silly allegations, I had nothing further to say on that thread. I completely destroyed you and that was my objective. As for later comments from other posters, there was nothing worthy of my response.

LoneLaughter is an appropriate name for you. No one is laughing with you. The laughter you hear is the roar of people laughing at you. You need to grow up my intellectually diminutive antagonist. Play with people your own age and with your diminished mental capacity. You're incapable of serious discussions with most posters on this site because ....let me see how to say this delicately.... because you're a stupid asshole!

Now I am finished with you. I have nothing to say until the next time you accuse my of having Beck as my hero or being a Beck devotee.

OK. If you avoid discussing news, fake news, propaganda or any other media related topic, you'll likely not hear from me. You've a huge blind spot there, prof. It is what it is.

Oh...why no admission on the 1990's lie? Too honest?
 
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Completely mindless p.c. Drone without so much as a single original thought in his little head accuses the smart guy of having the blind spot.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Completely mindless p.c. Drone without so much as a single original thought in his little head accuses the smart guy of having the blind spot.

You are talking out of your ass.

I get paid for my original thoughts. Well, in fact.
Asking somebody if they want to supersize it does not constitute an original thought

Is there a reason why so many RW nutbags imagine their "debate" opponents to be fast food servers? Was it a popular meme or something?
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Completely mindless p.c. Drone without so much as a single original thought in his little head accuses the smart guy of having the blind spot.

You are talking out of your ass.

I get paid for my original thoughts. Well, in fact.
Asking somebody if they want to supersize it does not constitute an original thought

Is there a reason why so many RW nutbags imagine their "debate" opponents to be fast food servers? Was it a popular meme or something?
I'm not a right winger, little mindless one.

It's just that you are so utterly conformist that the lest little derivation from your group think is threatening to your status as a right, proper little drone and so you have to label it as your opposite.


If I WERE a right winger, however, I would answer that I just figured you to be the sort of fellow who is working up to the level of his capabilities.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Completely mindless p.c. Drone without so much as a single original thought in his little head accuses the smart guy of having the blind spot.

You are talking out of your ass.

I get paid for my original thoughts. Well, in fact.
Asking somebody if they want to supersize it does not constitute an original thought

Is there a reason why so many RW nutbags imagine their "debate" opponents to be fast food servers? Was it a popular meme or something?
I'm not a right winger, little mindless one.

It's just that you are so utterly conformist that the lest little derivation from your group think is threatening to your status as a right, proper little drone and so you have to label it as your opposite.


If I WERE a right winger, however, I would answer that I just figured you to be the sort of fellow who is working up to the level of his capabilities.

You are not a right winger? That's awesome! I'm not a left winger. We should be best pals. I wonder what's hindering our relationship?
 
Not threatening to take my rights away? Then I don't have a bone to pick with you. I don't care about your ideology as long as it doesn't threaten my rights.

Except your rights got 17 kids killed last week. Enough is enough.

Like I said, they make mistakes. But they get it right more often. Do you really think the First Amendment offers no protection for religious minorities?

Uh, dude, Order 1066 wasn't a "mistake". It was a deliberate policy decision based on fear that if the Japanese Navy showed up along the west coast, these people would assist them. Heck, I could even see it as a valid fear. The Axis found "Quislings" willing to help them in every country they invaded, and we just lost our fleet of battleships between them and us.

I have no doubt in my mind that if the majority got so scared of Muslims, that if Trump ordered them all rounded up, people would go along with it. Shit, half the fuckers on this board would be cheering, including Mac.

Do you think the Court should ever be allowed to strike down laws that are supported by the majority?

But that's not the case of what happened here. The majority supported ORder 1066. They probably wanted to do a lot worse to the Nisii. The reality is, the court more often than not only acts when they think a majority will go along with them. Look at all the hemming and hawing over gay marriage and how long it took to get there with the same 9 idiots in robes.
 
And no I will not. I am sick and tired of this shit, and I am dedicated to fighting back. Say what you will, putzes. The answer to your newest useless gun control measures is NO. If you feel scared and unsafe because of freedom, then move, so that you and we can be happy. There is no need to TAKE anything from anyone else because you are a paranoid loon afraid of ordinary American citizens.

But shouldn't we be afraid of "ordinary citizens" like Lanza, Cruz, Cho, Mateen, Paddock, Holmes, Loughner, Kelley?

I don't feel "Free" because people like that can get an arsenal usually reserved for military guys. Neither should you.

You see, here's the thing. I think most people would be perfectly happy with letting you keep a gun if we could keep them out of the hands of the rogues gallery I just listed.
 
I'm old enough (78) to remember when this country had a legitimate free press. I remember something called “investigative reporting” whereby news agencies vigorously and fearlessly sought the truth. All of that is gone, replaced by an agenda-driven press which withholds the truth and in many cases simply lies to the country.

I have always maintained that there is not a single problem in this country that would not be solved if we had an honest, aggressive, and diligent press. If we had that, everything else that is worthwhile and fair would follow. Joseph Pulitzer understood the awesome power of the press:

"There is not a crime, there is not a dodge, there is not a trick, there is not a swindle, there is not a vice which does not live by secrecy. Get these things out in the open, describe them, attack them, ridicule them in the press, and sooner or later public opinion will sweep them away. Publicity may not be the only thing that is needed, but it is the one thing without which all other agencies will fail."

“Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together," Pulitzer wrote. "An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mold the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.”

Joseph Pulitzer

Pulitzer was right; as the press goes, so goes the country. Unfortunately, when the press withholds or distorts the news in favor of a personal political agenda they become an enemy more dangerous by far than any foreign threat could ever be. The greatest threat to our country's security is not Russia or China but the unholy alliance between the MSM and the Soros-backed Democratic Party.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter who holds the office of President or Senator or Congressperson. The only thing that matters is who is standing over their shoulder making sure they perform their sworn duties. Every politician lives and dies by public opinion. They spend fortunes to convince the masses why they should be elected/reelected. These politicians fear the truth, but if there is no one seeking the truth they have no fear. Their allegiance is not to their constituents but to their own ambitions. They sell out to the highest bidder and they do so with impunity knowing their misconduct is protected from public scrutiny.

Hillary's personal campaign of tyranny came to an end because Americans learned the truth about her. They caught her in lie after lie after lie. They discovered her role in the senseless death and destruction in the Middle East. They heard the war monger laugh after she proclaimed, “We came, we saw he died.” They became aware of her plans for open borders, an open invitation for criminals and terrorists to enter our country. The truth defeated Hillary Clinton and the truth came from the Internet, not the MSM. The Democrats want to silence the Internet because they cannot control it. The Internet is our last line of defense against a corrupt and dangerous political system and the only people trying to muzzle it are those who are part of that deplorable system.

But for the Internet, a corrupt, dishonest, war mongering megalomaniac would be President of the United States. With the open support of the MSM Clinton came close. The Internet literally saved our country.

The Democrat party that I knew and respected died some time. I don't know the exact date but it was even before they nominated a corrupt, dishonest, war-mongering, incompetent and unstable candidate for President.

The Republican party that I knew and respected died some time. I don't know the exact date but it was even before they nominated an unproven, untested loud-mouthed egotistical real estate magnate and entertainer for President.

In the end I voted for Trump because in the overall scheme of things an unproven success is a better risk than a proven failure. Damn, what a fucking choice.

If we had a free, unbiased and aggressive press I would never had to deal with such a pathetic and laughable choice.

There is one thought I want all you to take to bed with you tonight. Many of you, if not most of you, are more qualified for office than those who presently hold those positions, including the office President. If you had the press behind you, you just might be called Mister or Madam President. No joke.


You were a Glenn Beck devotee. Weren't you?

I was never a devoted fan. I merely listened to him back for a brief period in the 1990s. My primary news source then and now is the Drudge Report. Perhaps you remember that in October of 2016 you claimed that Beck was my hero. I responded to your unfounded claim, and I did so with what I consider adequate specificity. You didn't get the message then; perhaps you'll get it now. Here is what I said back then:

“I don't know where you got the silly idea that Glenn Beck is my hero. He is not now, nor has he ever been, my hero so your assumption is without basis. Of course, it could be that your idea of a hero is not the same as mine.

“I have previously informed those on this site that years ago I watched Glenn Beck's show. At that time he was reporting news that you couldn't get on the MSM. It was Glenn Beck who single handedly caused the fall of socialist and racists Van Jones (Obama's Green-Jobs Czar) and forced him to resign. The MSM didn't want to go near the story and when they did mention his name it was only to announce his resignation (no reason was given). Glenn Beck was also the first one to openly discussing the dangers of the Arab Brotherhood and Islamic terrorists. Our country would be in better shape today if everyone had listened to his revelations and heeded his warning.

“Way back then Beck's reporting was bold, accurate and praiseworthy. What made him special was that he proved everything he said when he said it. I didn't think Van Jones was a racist socialist because Glenn Beck said so. I knew he was a racist socialist because Glenn Beck showed videos of what Van Jones said and produced copies of what he had written. I didn't think the goal of the Arab Brotherhood was to establish a global caliphate because Glenn Beck said so. I believed it because Beck provided video and documentary evidence which proved it conclusively. I stopped watching Beck a long time ago because he abandoned his format and became far less of a newsman and more of a sensationalist. He began spewing unsupported opinions that fell far short of being news. Then he made bold promises of forthcoming world-changing revelations that never materialized and that caused him to lose the credibility he once had.

“You asked me what I thought about Glenn Becks opinion of Trump. I am slightly offended by your question because you seem to accuse me of giving credence to someone's unsupported opinion. For your enlightenment, Glenn Beck's opinion means nothing to me. I don't believe something to be true just because a well-known personality said it. I insist on evidence. When I was a child I believed what adults said. Hell, I believed in Santa Clause because my parents said he was real. When I become an adult I realized that people exaggerate and lie and, sadly, far too many people express strong opinions on subjects they know little or nothing about. I may not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier but I'm certainly not the dimmest. I have an MBA and a JD (Juris Doctorate) and can think for myself. I am more than capable of evaluating what people say and arrive at my own conclusions.

“In closing, I will say that way back in the 1990s I watched Glenn Beck's show but I stopped watching years years ago when his program stopped being a reliable source of news. However, I will add that anyone who denies that Beck was once worthy of admiration is a damn fool. I don't know why so many hate him and I don't care. I believe I have judged him fairly over the years and that is the end of the matter.”

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I have a question for you: Is your life so empty and meaningless that you have to focus on my listening to Beck back in the 1990s? Get a life, dude. I have always maintained that I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier; however, you have the intellectual luminosity of single flickering birthday candle.

Let go of your obsession with my listening to Beck in the 1990s. Do it even if it means getting therapy.

In addition, please learn how to say something relevant to a discussion. Only an ignorant fool would see a connection to my post and the fact that I listened to Beck for a short period of my life decades ago. This is the third time I've explained why I listened to Beck a long time ago but stopped listening when he was no longer a reliable source of news. If you still don't get it then it is obvious you have serious mental issues. Or perhaps you're just plain stupid.

Now, you can keep on with your Beck nonsense and every time you do,I will give you the same response.


"...I will add that anyone who denies that Beck was once worthy of admiration is a damn fool."



Highly recommend his book

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I'm old enough (78) to remember when this country had a legitimate free press. I remember something called “investigative reporting” whereby news agencies vigorously and fearlessly sought the truth. All of that is gone, replaced by an agenda-driven press which withholds the truth and in many cases simply lies to the country.

I have always maintained that there is not a single problem in this country that would not be solved if we had an honest, aggressive, and diligent press. If we had that, everything else that is worthwhile and fair would follow. Joseph Pulitzer understood the awesome power of the press:

"There is not a crime, there is not a dodge, there is not a trick, there is not a swindle, there is not a vice which does not live by secrecy. Get these things out in the open, describe them, attack them, ridicule them in the press, and sooner or later public opinion will sweep them away. Publicity may not be the only thing that is needed, but it is the one thing without which all other agencies will fail."

“Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together," Pulitzer wrote. "An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. The power to mold the future of the Republic will be in the hands of the journalists of future generations.”

Joseph Pulitzer

Pulitzer was right; as the press goes, so goes the country. Unfortunately, when the press withholds or distorts the news in favor of a personal political agenda they become an enemy more dangerous by far than any foreign threat could ever be. The greatest threat to our country's security is not Russia or China but the unholy alliance between the MSM and the Soros-backed Democratic Party.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter who holds the office of President or Senator or Congressperson. The only thing that matters is who is standing over their shoulder making sure they perform their sworn duties. Every politician lives and dies by public opinion. They spend fortunes to convince the masses why they should be elected/reelected. These politicians fear the truth, but if there is no one seeking the truth they have no fear. Their allegiance is not to their constituents but to their own ambitions. They sell out to the highest bidder and they do so with impunity knowing their misconduct is protected from public scrutiny.

Hillary's personal campaign of tyranny came to an end because Americans learned the truth about her. They caught her in lie after lie after lie. They discovered her role in the senseless death and destruction in the Middle East. They heard the war monger laugh after she proclaimed, “We came, we saw he died.” They became aware of her plans for open borders, an open invitation for criminals and terrorists to enter our country. The truth defeated Hillary Clinton and the truth came from the Internet, not the MSM. The Democrats want to silence the Internet because they cannot control it. The Internet is our last line of defense against a corrupt and dangerous political system and the only people trying to muzzle it are those who are part of that deplorable system.

But for the Internet, a corrupt, dishonest, war mongering megalomaniac would be President of the United States. With the open support of the MSM Clinton came close. The Internet literally saved our country.

The Democrat party that I knew and respected died some time. I don't know the exact date but it was even before they nominated a corrupt, dishonest, war-mongering, incompetent and unstable candidate for President.

The Republican party that I knew and respected died some time. I don't know the exact date but it was even before they nominated an unproven, untested loud-mouthed egotistical real estate magnate and entertainer for President.

In the end I voted for Trump because in the overall scheme of things an unproven success is a better risk than a proven failure. Damn, what a fucking choice.

If we had a free, unbiased and aggressive press I would never had to deal with such a pathetic and laughable choice.

There is one thought I want all you to take to bed with you tonight. Many of you, if not most of you, are more qualified for office than those who presently hold those positions, including the office President. If you had the press behind you, you just might be called Mister or Madam President. No joke.


While the same suspects still exist, for many of us, we are now reading the NYTimes and watching CNN in the way Soviet citizens read Pravda.
 

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