[POLL] If you had to choose between Capitalism and Socialism - Which would it be?

[dblack]

I don't think anyone understood my previous post. What we have today is corportism. This is just a polite term for FASCISM.

Fascism understood in the economic sense, is when the government picks winners and losers. It is when the government forces the population to purchase products from cartels that are enforced by law. This is a neo-liberal concept that is brought on by Keynesian economics. It is the ultimate failure of government meddling in the market to bring about desired outcomes by the political, cultural and financial elites. How many choices do you have to purchase your energy from? Who "owns" the patents in perpetuity? People know so little about how Big oil has bought up free energy technologies. What about your water bill, and your education? It won't be long till all education is privatized. Most people aren't aware that much of our military is privatized. Do I need to comment on health care? And who do you then suppose fund most of the political machine, the people, or the industries the government tells will provide services to the people? If you want to provide goods and services, what do you think your chances are at competing in the market place? What should happen if you create a brand new way of supplying cheap, clean, unlimited energy, do you suppose the government sanctioned cartel that has Senators with connections to the CIA and the patent office would ever allow a major restructuring of society for that? Do you really? What do you suppose would be the answer from a scientist named Tesla who died broke and alone about that. . .

Haven't any of you wondered why the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would side with the liberal wing of the Supreme court to rule that the Affordable Care Act was constitutional? It had nothing to do with "Social Justice." It had everything to do with making Fascism legal in the United States. I am sure all those who died in the United States fighting the Fascists during WWII were rolling over in their graves, knowing that their children and grandchildren had betrayed the principles of this once great republic. The people of the land no longer matter. It is the banks and the corporations that the Constitution and the laws now represent. Don't fool yourselves into believing the we having anything resembling a "free market" any longer. The financial and governmental institutions are mired in corruption and decay.


“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”
― Thomas Jefferson

"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
― Vladimir Lenin

"Fascism is capitalism in decay
― Vladimir Lenin

For those of you who believe that we are headed toward "socialism," you may not be far from the truth. International socialism, national socialism, it makes no difference, the elites have studied the best way to bring a free nation to it's knees, they have known it for a long time.

Would a capitalist nation have as one of it's largest industries the defense industry to force others to it's will? Really? Yes, any true capitalist know the difference between capitalism and fascism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpmAyuDJiU&list=PLF75F588D7123BC42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

Most, if not all, industrial nations are a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
In fact, can you name one pure capitalistic nation in the world today? Can you name one pure socialistic nation in the world today?

Somalia?

Yes. Their stock market is world renowned.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Most, if not all, industrial nations are a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
In fact, can you name one pure capitalistic nation in the world today? Can you name one pure socialistic nation in the world today?

Somalia?

Yes. Their stock market is world renowned.

They're about as close as you're going to get to pure capitalism.

 

[dblack]

Somalia?

Yes. Their stock market is world renowned.

They're about as close as you're going to get to pure capitalism.

How do you figure? I don't know that much about it, but it sounds like a chaotic mess, nothing at all like an environment that fosters capital investment. Are you just trying to equate capitalism, or free markets, with anarchy?

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't think anyone understood my previous post. What we have today is corportism. This is just a polite term for FASCISM.

Fascism understood in the economic sense, is when the government picks winners and losers. It is when the government forces the population to purchase products from cartels that are enforced by law. This is a neo-liberal concept that is brought on by Keynesian economics. It is the ultimate failure of government meddling in the market to bring about desired outcomes by the political, cultural and financial elites. How many choices do you have to purchase your energy from? Who "owns" the patents in perpetuity? People know so little about how Big oil has bought up free energy technologies. What about your water bill, and your education? It won't be long till all education is privatized. Most people aren't aware that much of our military is privatized. Do I need to comment on health care? And who do you then suppose fund most of the political machine, the people, or the industries the government tells will provide services to the people? If you want to provide goods and services, what do you think your chances are at competing in the market place? What should happen if you create a brand new way of supplying cheap, clean, unlimited energy, do you suppose the government sanctioned cartel that has Senators with connections to the CIA and the patent office would ever allow a major restructuring of society for that? Do you really? What do you suppose would be the answer from a scientist named Tesla who died broke and alone about that. . .

Haven't any of you wondered why the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would side with the liberal wing of the Supreme court to rule that the Affordable Care Act was constitutional? It had nothing to do with "Social Justice." It had everything to do with making Fascism legal in the United States. I am sure all those who died in the United States fighting the Fascists during WWII were rolling over in their graves, knowing that their children and grandchildren had betrayed the principles of this once great republic. The people of the land no longer matter. It is the banks and the corporations that the Constitution and the laws now represent. Don't fool yourselves into believing the we having anything resembling a "free market" any longer. The financial and governmental institutions are mired in corruption and decay.


“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”
― Thomas Jefferson

"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency"
― Vladimir Lenin

"Fascism is capitalism in decay
― Vladimir Lenin

For those of you who believe that we are headed toward "socialism," you may not be far from the truth. International socialism, national socialism, it makes no difference, the elites have studied the best way to bring a free nation to it's knees, they have known it for a long time.

Would a capitalist nation have as one of it's largest industries the defense industry to force others to it's will? Really? Yes, any true capitalist know the difference between capitalism and fascism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpmAyuDJiU&list=PLF75F588D7123BC42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

Most, if not all, industrial nations are a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
In fact, can you name one pure capitalistic nation in the world today? Can you name one pure socialistic nation in the world today?

Somalia?

Indeed, very good show. The banking cartel and the globalists running the world hate that little patch of dirt. Free people that aren't their slaves bother them so. . .


Somalia After State Collapse: Chaos or Improvement?
http://www.observatori.org/paises/pais_74/documentos/64_somalia.pdf

Many people believe that Somalia’s economy has been in chaos since the collapse of its national government in 1991. We take a comparative institutional approach to examine Somalia’s performance relative to other African countries both when Somalia had a government and during its extended period of anarchy. We find that although Somalia is poor, its relative economic performance has improved during its period of statelessness. We also describe how Somalia has provided basic law and order and a currency, which have enabled the country to achieve the coordination that has led to improvements in its standard of living.

You Are Being Lied to About Pirates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

 

[dblack]

Most, if not all, industrial nations are a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
In fact, can you name one pure capitalistic nation in the world today? Can you name one pure socialistic nation in the world today?

Somalia?

Indeed, very good show. The banking cartel and the globalists running the world hate that little patch of dirt. Free people that aren't their slaves bother them so. . .


Somalia After State Collapse: Chaos or Improvement?
http://www.observatori.org/paises/pais_74/documentos/64_somalia.pdf

Many people believe that Somalia’s economy has been in chaos since the collapse of its national government in 1991. We take a comparative institutional approach to examine Somalia’s performance relative to other African countries both when Somalia had a government and during its extended period of anarchy. We find that although Somalia is poor, its relative economic performance has improved during its period of statelessness. We also describe how Somalia has provided basic law and order and a currency, which have enabled the country to achieve the coordination that has led to improvements in its standard of living.

You Are Being Lied to About Pirates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

Interesting. I'll have to do some reading.

 

[bripat9643]

Somalia?

Yes. Their stock market is world renowned.

They're about as close as you're going to get to pure capitalism.

Another forum member announces that she's a dingbat.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Yes. Their stock market is world renowned.

They're about as close as you're going to get to pure capitalism.

Another forum member announces that she's a dingbat.

I realize this thread is nothing more than an excuse for you to say "socialism sucks' so since you've said it, you can go now before your complete ignorance of this subject causes you to lose what little credibility you have.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Capitalism. Capitalism provides the greatest opportunity for individual and collective prosperity. The Left always attacks Capitalism for its income inequality and delta between rich and poor. Look at ever Socialist, Communist, Fascist, and Dictatorship and one will not only find income inequality, but a select few and elite that control the wealth and prosperity. Immigrants come to the US moreso than any other nation because of Capitalism as it truly provides tge greatest hope and opportunity.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'd pick freedom over tyranny anytime.

Unless I got the big house with the pool and fireplace.

And someone to clean it, fill it, and bring the wood.

Then it would somehow, magically be "fair"

 

[Staidhup]

I'd pick freedom over tyranny anytime.

Unless I got the big house with the pool and fireplace.

And someone to clean it, fill it, and bring the wood.

Then it would somehow, magically be "fair"

Ha Ha Ha, sounds like the do as I say not as I do crowd. As for myself, Freedom and ability to enjoy the fruits of my God given talents is all I ever asked for and need to have a full life.

 

[Uncensored2008]

slipped there, huh?

a further communism=socialism moronity.

familiarize yourself, lol.

mr capitalism and mrs socialism are most of the times married in the real world.

now go fuck yourself.

Another ignorant fool who fails to grasp the meaning of the terms bandied about.

What is it that you think defines "socialism," sparky?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I choose freedom over oppression, and puppies over rats.

I once had a rat who was one of the best pets I've ever encountered. She had the run of the apartment and would run up to be greeted like a dog. She used a small cat box and was full of personality.

I love my dog, but rats make great pets.

 

[Unkotare]

I choose freedom over oppression, and puppies over rats.

I once had a rat who was one of the best pets I've ever encountered. She had the run of the apartment and would run up to be greeted like a dog. She used a small cat box and was full of personality.

I love my dog, but rats make great pets.

That's just stupid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is dictatorial socialism.

Socialism is an economic policy, dictaorship (or democracy) is a political policy.

Socialism requires authoritarian controls. If unregulated, then competition will arise and socialism will fail. So if a country socializes oil, as Mexico has done, then there must be an authoritarian body to ensure that a competing oil company doesn't arise and offer lower prices and better quality.

All socialism depends on authoritarianism. The greater the reach of socialism, the more pervasive authoritarianism must be.

 

[Uncensored2008]

They're about as close as you're going to get to pure capitalism.

I realize this is a meme the hate sites train you morons to repeat, but do you grasp just how FUCKING STUPID of a claim it is?

No, Somalia isn't "capitalist," or "Libertarian'" It's Authoritarian feudalism run by Islamic warlords.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I choose freedom over oppression, and puppies over rats.

I once had a rat who was one of the best pets I've ever encountered. She had the run of the apartment and would run up to be greeted like a dog. She used a small cat box and was full of personality.

I love my dog, but rats make great pets.

That's just stupid.

In what way?

 

[tooAlive]

I wonder what would happened if we changed the name of our poll to,

Free Market Economy vs. Centrally-Planned Economy

 

[nodoginnafight]

I wonder what would happened if we changed the name of our poll to,

Free Market Economy vs. Centrally-Planned Economy

MHO
About the same thing.
it's the all-black or all-white fallacy.
Since neither of the options exist in the pure form.

How about something like "0 equals pure capitalism and 100 equals pure socialism - pick a number for the ideal economic system?"

 

[Unkotare]

I once had a rat who was one of the best pets I've ever encountered. She had the run of the apartment and would run up to be greeted like a dog. She used a small cat box and was full of personality.

I love my dog, but rats make great pets.

That's just stupid.

In what way?

Rats are not domesticated animals. They are not pets. They are at most an oddity as a kept animal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Rats are not domesticated animals. They are not pets. They are at most an oddity as a kept animal.

How long have you been in America, now?

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