Poll: FDR # 1 President

[Bfgrn]

You are projecting, Mr. F.

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.

Quit your whining, son. You are a loon. You are a liar. You just are a simpleton. Nothing else can explain your sickness. So, stop whining, start thinking, and move on with your life. America is never going to be the place you want, never.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JakeStarkey again.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Quit your whining, son. You are a loon. You are a liar. You just are a simpleton. Nothing else can explain your sickness. So, stop whining, start thinking, and move on with your life. America is never going to be the place you want, never.

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.

Your sickness is showing. Your projection is showing. That is not good for you.

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470858-post116.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470860-post117.html

 

[JimH52]

Oh yes he did...

Connect the Dots, Folks: Bush Tax Cuts for Rich

And it began the mess that we are in now.

We are a nonprofit, progressive, independent and *chortle* nonpartisan organization.

'nuf said.

Thay doesn't change the facts. Do you think a, so called, news station like FOX is going to report the facts that W decided to grease the palms of his millionaire buddies? He had all the stars lined up. He had a republican majority in Congress, so he decided to make the move. For the first time in the nations history, a tax cut was given while we were at war.
Rather than try to accoplish something for the working man, W decided to line the pockets of his buddy while he could. That is exactly what he did...of course at the direction of his brain, Uncle Fester.

 

[Bfgrn]

Really easy for you to get lib douchebags to rank well, when you're polling a bunch of lib professors.

The Shrub is nowhere near as horrible as LBJ, who has the blood of 58,000+ American boys on his hands.

More right wing whining by the Dude....

Yea all scientists and historians are picking on the poor conservatives. Problem is, conservatives never accomplish anything. They are there to impede progress and find themselves on the wrong side of history.

Bush had nothing to point to as a success and all his gambles turned into disasters. At least LBJ had a strong social agenda that counterbalanced his Viet Nam debacle

The DUD is not a right winger! Don't you KNOW that???...He will vehemently tell you so...just stop judging him by the political beliefs he consistently exhibits...


Every fucking day...

 

[JakeStarkey]

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.

Your sickness is showing. Your projection is showing. That is not good for you.

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470858-post116.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470860-post117.html

 

[JakeStarkey]

Really easy for you to get lib douchebags to rank well, when you're polling a bunch of lib professors.

The Shrub is nowhere near as horrible as LBJ, who has the blood of 58,000+ American boys on his hands.

More right wing whining by the Dude....

Yea all scientists and historians are picking on the poor conservatives. Problem is, conservatives never accomplish anything. They are there to impede progress and find themselves on the wrong side of history.

Bush had nothing to point to as a success and all his gambles turned into disasters. At least LBJ had a strong social agenda that counterbalanced his Viet Nam debacle

The DUD is not a right winger! Don't you KNOW that???...He will vehemently tell you so...just stop judging him by the political beliefs he consistently exhibits...


Every fucking day...

Yup. He is what he is, but that's OK.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Your sickness is showing. Your projection is showing. That is not good for you.

You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470858-post116.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470860-post117.html

Laugh it up.
People can read.
You insist on not answering the questions.
People can read ,that isnt good for you.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470858-post116.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2470860-post117.html

 

[rightwinger]

That post hoc ergo propter hoc dog don't hunt, Sparky.

And of course the media showed us soup kitchen America...If it bleeds it leads was their motto way back then, too.

And, in other words, Dud, you got nuthin. Noted.

What I pointed out is that you and leftwinger got nothin', besides common logical fallacies that any high school debate club member can pick out.

Here, I'll even help y'all along in that area: Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate

And what I pointed out Dudester is you got nothing..

Your argument of..

"Well......all those experts are just assholes" would not get you through highschool debate class

 

[Fenris Wolf]

Don't ya'll love right wing revisionist history?

Bizarro World

BWAHAAAHAAA, the truth is hard to take isn't it? You can take a chapter summary from a middle school history book and a mix it with some propaganda, suddenly you're an expert, right. I know, I know your liberal icons say it isn't true and they never lie right?

Fenris. Son! I am talking to you. Look me in the eye, that's right in the eye. You have not offered anything, and you are telling those who are better informed that they don't know what they are talking about? Run along, sit, listen, and learn. Now, scoot!

Come on, now I've heard some real bullshitters in my day, and you aren't fooling me. You can try to discredit me, call me crazy, call me a liar all you want, but when the day is done, how's that iconic liberal knowledge working out for your heroes? I don't think they can fight their way out of a wet paper bag, even when they break the rules which they must do in order to obtain an advantage, as history has proved time and time again. Maybe you can come over some time and sit on my knee and I'll tell you all about it. If this is what the schools are teaching, I'd ask for my money back, if I were you.

 

[rightwinger]

Really easy for you to get lib douchebags to rank well, when you're polling a bunch of lib professors.

The Shrub is nowhere near as horrible as LBJ, who has the blood of 58,000+ American boys on his hands.

More right wing whining by the Dude....

Yea all scientists and historians are picking on the poor conservatives. Problem is, conservatives never accomplish anything. They are there to impede progress and find themselves on the wrong side of history.

Bush had nothing to point to as a success and all his gambles turned into disasters. At least LBJ had a strong social agenda that counterbalanced his Viet Nam debacle

The DUD is not a right winger! Don't you KNOW that???...He will vehemently tell you so...just stop judging him by the political beliefs he consistently exhibits...


Every fucking day...

Right winger? Hell no!

The Dude is just the Dude....he hates everything

Daddy Bush? He hated Daddy Bush he will tell you so
Clinton? He hated Clinton, he was a diasaster
W? He hated W
Obama? He hates Obama

Its all so easy when you are the Dude...you just have to be against everything

 

[rightwinger]

BWAHAAAHAAA, the truth is hard to take isn't it? You can take a chapter summary from a middle school history book and a mix it with some propaganda, suddenly you're an expert, right. I know, I know your liberal icons say it isn't true and they never lie right?

Fenris. Son! I am talking to you. Look me in the eye, that's right in the eye. You have not offered anything, and you are telling those who are better informed that they don't know what they are talking about? Run along, sit, listen, and learn. Now, scoot!

Come on, now I've heard some real bullshitters in my day, and you aren't fooling me. You can try to discredit me, call me crazy, call me a liar all you want, but when the day is done, how's that iconic liberal knowledge working out for your heroes? I don't think they can fight their way out of a wet paper bag, even when they break the rules which they must do in order to obtain an advantage, as history has proved time and time again. Maybe you can come over some time and sit on my knee and I'll tell you all about it. If this is what the schools are teaching, I'd ask for my money back, if I were you.

LOL...Same old Rightwing revisionist history nonsense

Schools? Schools know nothing and have a leftwing agenda
Historians? All elitists who hate conservatives
Scientists? Overeducated eggheads with a liberal agenda
The Media? Socialist agenda to pervert the American agenda

Yes pray to the supplyside alter and try to convince yourself that history is all wrong.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

Anyone who saw this nations poverty in the 30s, 40s and 50s would never question whether the war on poverty worked. LBJ established a safety net that keeps certain sections of our nation from living in third world conditions. If you saw the news reports during LBJs crusade you would see Americans living without running water, without electricity, without access to nutritious food.
Try to compare that to today. LBJ managed a great accomplishment with his social programs....Viet Nam wrecked him

That post hoc ergo propter hoc dog don't hunt, Sparky.

And of course the media showed us soup kitchen America...If it bleeds it leads was their motto way back then, too.

Fraid not Dudester....

That was America of the 30s-50s. There were areas of extreme poverty that rivaled third world living conditions. Yes the "bleeding heart" media brought it all into our living rooms...those bastards!

LBJ cared enough to do something about it

My grandparents and great grandparents knew how to do something about it to...they worked their asses off and everybody in the family pulled their weight and then some. Hell there wasn't even electricity out here until 1955 and yet they survived, amazing isn't it.

 

[Bfgrn]

More right wing whining by the Dude....

Yea all scientists and historians are picking on the poor conservatives. Problem is, conservatives never accomplish anything. They are there to impede progress and find themselves on the wrong side of history.

Bush had nothing to point to as a success and all his gambles turned into disasters. At least LBJ had a strong social agenda that counterbalanced his Viet Nam debacle

The DUD is not a right winger! Don't you KNOW that???...He will vehemently tell you so...just stop judging him by the political beliefs he consistently exhibits...


Every fucking day...

Right winger? Hell no!

The Dude is just the Dude....he hates everything

Daddy Bush? He hated Daddy Bush he will tell you so
Clinton? He hated Clinton, he was a diasaster
W? He hated W
Obama? He hates Obama

Its all so easy when you are the Dude...you just have to be against everything

Ah yes, the classic cynic..

A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde

Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
Alexander Hamilton

 

[rightwinger]

That post hoc ergo propter hoc dog don't hunt, Sparky.

And of course the media showed us soup kitchen America...If it bleeds it leads was their motto way back then, too.

Fraid not Dudester....

That was America of the 30s-50s. There were areas of extreme poverty that rivaled third world living conditions. Yes the "bleeding heart" media brought it all into our living rooms...those bastards!

LBJ cared enough to do something about it

My grandparents and great grandparents knew how to do something about it to...they worked their asses off and everybody in the family pulled their weight and then some. Hell there wasn't even electricity out here until 1955 and yet they survived, amazing isn't it.

Tell it to the dust bowl families. Sometimes the deal you are dealt is not something you can just pull up your bootstraps and carry on

 

[Bfgrn]

Yeah, he would really have to screw up to drop to, let's say W's level. You know, invade a country on false pretrense, totally screw the economy by handing the rich a tax cut during two wars, or step on Consitutional rights. Maybe if he did a couple of those things, he would drop to W's level...

he did not hand the rich a tax cut.....

You are correct...he handed them two of them

AND, even Bush questioned the second round, but the 'marionette in chief' couldn't convince the puppeteers...


Paul O'Neill, George Bush's first Treasury Secretary

The president had promised to cut taxes, and he did. Within six months of taking office, he pushed a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts through Congress. But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

“Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand,” says Suskind. “He says, ‘You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.’ … O'Neill is speechless.”

”It was not just about not wanting the tax cut. It was about how to use the nation's resources to improve the condition of our society,” says O’Neill. “And I thought the weight of working on Social Security and fundamental tax reform was a lot more important than a tax reduction.”

Did he think it was irresponsible? “Well, it's for sure not what I would have done,” says O’Neill.

The former treasury secretary accuses Vice President Dick Cheney of not being an honest broker, but, with a handful of others, part of "a praetorian guard that encircled the president" to block out contrary views. "This is the way Dick likes it," says O’Neill.


“It's a huge meeting. You got Dick Cheney from the, you know, secure location on the video. The President is there,” says Suskind, who was given a nearly verbatim transcript by someone who attended the meeting.

He says everyone expected Mr. Bush to rubber stamp the plan under discussion: a big new tax cut. But, according to Suskind, the president was perhaps having second thoughts about cutting taxes again, and was uncharacteristically engaged.

“He asks, ‘Haven't we already given money to rich people? This second tax cut's gonna do it again,’” says Suskind.

“He says, ‘Didn’t we already, why are we doing it again?’ Now, his advisers, they say, ‘Well Mr. President, the upper class, they're the entrepreneurs. That's the standard response.’ And the president kind of goes, ‘OK.’ That's their response. And then, he comes back to it again. ‘Well, shouldn't we be giving money to the middle, won't people be able to say, ‘You did it once, and then you did it twice, and what was it good for?’"

But according to the transcript, White House political advisor Karl Rove jumped in.

“Karl Rove is saying to the president, a kind of mantra. ‘Stick to principle. Stick to principle.’ He says it over and over again,” says Suskind. “Don’t waver.”

In the end, the president didn't. And nine days after that meeting in which O'Neill made it clear he could not publicly support another tax cut, the vice president called and asked him to resign.

With the deficit now climbing towards $400 billion, O'Neill maintains he was in the right.

 

[Oddball]

Anyone who saw this nations poverty in the 30s, 40s and 50s would never question whether the war on poverty worked. LBJ established a safety net that keeps certain sections of our nation from living in third world conditions. If you saw the news reports during LBJs crusade you would see Americans living without running water, without electricity, without access to nutritious food.
Try to compare that to today. LBJ managed a great accomplishment with his social programs....Viet Nam wrecked him

That post hoc ergo propter hoc dog don't hunt, Sparky.

And of course the media showed us soup kitchen America...If it bleeds it leads was their motto way back then, too.

Fraid not Dudester....

That was America of the 30s-50s. There were areas of extreme poverty that rivaled third world living conditions. Yes the "bleeding heart" media brought it all into our living rooms...those bastards!

LBJ cared enough to do something about it

Entirely irrelevant.

Since you cannot roll back the hands of time and see what would have happened had FDR's silly programs not been implemented, then your story is just that....A story.

Armchair mind reader opinions that FDR "cared" prove nothing, from an objective standpoint.

 

[Oddball]

Oh yes he did...

Connect the Dots, Folks: Bush Tax Cuts for Rich

And it began the mess that we are in now.

We are a nonprofit, progressive, independent and *chortle* nonpartisan organization.

'nuf said.

Thay doesn't change the facts. Do you think a, so called, news station like FOX is going to report the facts that W decided to grease the palms of his millionaire buddies? He had all the stars lined up. He had a republican majority in Congress, so he decided to make the move. For the first time in the nations history, a tax cut was given while we were at war.
Rather than try to accoplish something for the working man, W decided to line the pockets of his buddy while he could. That is exactly what he did...of course at the direction of his brain, Uncle Fester.

When you're ready to bring in some objectively verifiable facts, rather than some dreck form an admittedly progressive blog, let us know.

 

[rightwinger]

That post hoc ergo propter hoc dog don't hunt, Sparky.

And of course the media showed us soup kitchen America...If it bleeds it leads was their motto way back then, too.

Fraid not Dudester....

That was America of the 30s-50s. There were areas of extreme poverty that rivaled third world living conditions. Yes the "bleeding heart" media brought it all into our living rooms...those bastards!

LBJ cared enough to do something about it

Entirely irrelevant.

Since you cannot roll back the hands of time and see what would have happened had FDR's silly programs not been implemented, then your story is just that....A story.

Armchair mind reader opinions that FDR "cared" prove nothing, from an objective standpoint.

We can apply that logic to anyone can't we?

You can't prove the Packers wouldn't have won championships without Vince Lombardi
You can't prove that the Declaration of Independence would have been any worse or better without Jefferson
You can't prove the Cold War would have ended any later without Reagan

Its great being the Dude isn't it?

 

[Oddball]

Fraid not Dudester....

That was America of the 30s-50s. There were areas of extreme poverty that rivaled third world living conditions. Yes the "bleeding heart" media brought it all into our living rooms...those bastards!

LBJ cared enough to do something about it

Entirely irrelevant.

Since you cannot roll back the hands of time and see what would have happened had FDR's silly programs not been implemented, then your story is just that....A story.

Armchair mind reader opinions that FDR "cared" prove nothing, from an objective standpoint.

We can apply that logic to anyone can't we?

You can't prove the Packers wouldn't have won championships without Vince Lombardi
You can't prove that the Declaration of Independence would have been any worse or better without Jefferson
You can't prove the Cold War would have ended any later without Reagan

Its great being the Dude isn't it?

Exactly.

So why do you insist that the illogical and unprovable argument is valid in your case?

 

[rightwinger]

Entirely irrelevant.

Since you cannot roll back the hands of time and see what would have happened had FDR's silly programs not been implemented, then your story is just that....A story.

Armchair mind reader opinions that FDR "cared" prove nothing, from an objective standpoint.

We can apply that logic to anyone can't we?

You can't prove the Packers wouldn't have won championships without Vince Lombardi
You can't prove that the Declaration of Independence would have been any worse or better without Jefferson
You can't prove the Cold War would have ended any later without Reagan

Its great being the Dude isn't it?

Exactly.

So why do you insist that the illogical and unprovable argument is valid in your case?

So why do we bother to post on this fucking Politics board?