Poll: Do you want the Federal governemnt running all healthcare?

[gipper]

There's a big misconception about government run healthcare. It's the lobbyist and drug companies and insurance companies who use the power of government to run healthcare in a way that kills competition, raises prices, and leads to poor healthcare.

Having practiced medicine for over 30 years, Congressman Ron Paul gives his perspective on the past and future of medicine in this country, and the effects of government and special interests on quality, costs and access.

We have the most expensive HC system in the world, yet many Americans most pay extraordinary sums of money to obtain care. Many end up bankrupt.

Funny thing...

...we Americans now have a SHORTER life expectancy, though HC is outrageously expensive.
Americans Are Dying Even Younger

...Then add in DEATH BY DOCTOR is a leading cause of death in the USA, and you have a mess.
The third-leading cause of death in America most doctors don't want you to know about

Something has to change.

 

[McRocket]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

At the state level, that's perfectly constitutional. Not only that, the states have a moral obligation to help their poor and disabled. With the federal government involved, it's a whole diferent set of problems, none of which I have the notion to type out, that's why I pasted that short video of the stastesman explaining it. With the feds involved in it, this is how the special interests are destroying healthcare and laughing all the way to the bank.

I guess you probably already know all of that, I've read enough of your postings to know your views on stuff like this.

Good point about the states...had not thought of that.

I am okay with the state's handling it...provided they all meet a minimum, medical standard of healthcare for their poor.

However, I don't want public and private hospitals. I want ALL private or charity hospitals and have patients on government healthcare going to these hospitals only and simply having these places bill the government accordingly.

I am generally against public hospitals...they simply invite MASSIVE waste and generally, poor patient treatment.

 

[MarcATL]

The OP's premise is a lie, the entire post is a lie, the OP is a liar.

Define "running all healthcare" liar.

 

[McRocket]

I just speak in reality

I have no doubt that you speak in 'your' reality.

Have a nice day.

Look at the polls and what history is recording

Ummm...sure thing pal.

Let me know when you start making sense...okay?

You have a nice day now.

 

[rightwinger]

There's a big misconception about government run healthcare. It's the lobbyist and drug companies and insurance companies who use the power of government to run healthcare in a way that kills competition, raises prices, and leads to poor healthcare.

Having practiced medicine for over 30 years, Congressman Ron Paul gives his perspective on the past and future of medicine in this country, and the effects of government and special interests on quality, costs and access.

It was Ron Paul who suggested ....Let em die

 

[RDD_1210]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

Did you not go to school after the 2nd grade?

I skipped grade six...as a matter of fact.

Care to try a different personal attack...one that actually makes sense?

You're trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

Normally, I would assume a comment like yours was a semi-joke.

But I seriously am starting to wonder about this guy...honestly.

He seems to be making almost no sense.

You can make the same statement about 79% of the posters on this site. This message board represents the literal bottom of the barrel of our society. These people are for mocking, not for having adult conversations.

 

[Oddball]

Not only no, HELL NO!


Gubmint has the reverse Midas touch....Everything they touch turns to shit.

 

[MarcATL]

Look how this bastard OP lies...

1. No. I'd rather work and pay for my own healthcare
2. Yes. I trust the government to provide world class healthcare to everyone

1. Decent healthcare should NOT be based on your employment. You should be able to simply pay your taxes and have a decent level of healthcare access AND coverage, regardless of IF or where you are currently working.
2. Another blatant lie from one of the biggest POS on this board, the government is NOT providing healthcare, your doctor is.

All these GD Republicans on this board are nothing but liars. Not able to be honest about anything, at any time.

This is what's supposed to be the political discourse?

I scoff and laugh!

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

 

[anynameyouwish]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

runnning it?

no......

but making sure it is all SAFE and people are not being ripped off.

Imagine if trump ran health care the way he ran any of his businesses.

 

[Oddball]

I'd say some basic level of healthcare is a right of every citizen.

A right, properly defined, cannot compel someone else to act.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Not only no, HELL NO!


Gubmint has the reverse Midas touch....Everything they touch turns to shit.

Troof!

 

[MarcATL]

A right, properly defined, cannot compel someone else to act.

 

[TNHarley]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

The who will pay for it? Thats the problem with that, it seems.
The middle class will be the ones to get fucked.

I think the costs will actually drop for most Americans.

Government interference in private healthcare in America is driving up costs insanely.

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

If the government concerned themselves ONLY with people who need government healthcare assistance...but left the private side alone - I believe overall healthcare spending would drop dramatically in America.

Sure, Medicaid and Medicare might cost about the same (maybe less). But private healthcare costs would plummet as the free market would finally be allowed to work for this area.

But how will govt run care sustain itself without the working class

 

[Edgetho]

Most nations have already determined it is a basic human right

One of the reasons we can't get anything done in this Country is because the leftists can't speak in anything other than College Sophomore cliches and Bumper Sticker Slogans.

'Basic Human Right'....... How incredibly juvenile.

The point is this..... We're not going to let people die on the Hospital Steps in this Country.

So how do we pay for Health Care??

We can keep going the way we are and we can watch our economy implode.

We can implement socialism and watch our economy, our culture and our society self-destruct. (socialized medicine IS socialism)

Or we can MANDATE that everyone have Health Insurance.

This discussion, nationally, isn't about Health Care. Only the stupid (which is dimocraps) believe that.

It is about Health INSURANCE and how we pay for it.

I told you people over a hundred times, now. The Swiss system works.

obamacare sucks ass.

The Swiss System is not Means Tested, it is not filled with senseless, useless, stupid mandatory coverages. And it has no coverage gaps like the senseless, useless and STUPID obamacare.

dimocrap scum are WAY too stupid to understand anything not explained to them by their Kindergarten Teachers in the LSM.

So it is incumbent on us to explain it to them.

The question is -- Will they listen?

I doubt it. Not unless and until their Masters, their 'Handlers' talk to them in the motherly voices they're used to from the condescending asswipes in the media.

It's up to you. We either fail or we progress based on what we do with Health Insurance in this Country.

The problem will lie with dimocrap scum and their relentless quest for socialism

 

[McRocket]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

Did you not go to school after the 2nd grade?

I skipped grade six...as a matter of fact.

Care to try a different personal attack...one that actually makes sense?

You're trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

Normally, I would assume a comment like yours was a semi-joke.

But I seriously am starting to wonder about this guy...honestly.

He seems to be making almost no sense.

You can make the same statement about 79% of the posters on this site. This message board represents the literal bottom of the barrel of our society. These people are for mocking, not for having adult conversations.

I was actually thinking something like that when I typed my response to you above.

I have been on many political chat forums...but the diehard Trumpbots on this one are really VERY, sad individuals.

Full of anger, ignorance and incredible prejudices.

It's genuinely sad.

 

[alang1216]

I don't believe it is only a choice between 100% gov't run healthcare and 0% gov't healthcare (I think the All-Payer model may be a better option). But if I had to choose one or the other I'll go with gov't. I've seen how healthcare in this country doesn't work, both before and after the ACA, whereas it works in other countries and the VA.

That's why Jagger had his work done in the US, amirite?

GTFO here with that commie garbage!

That's why all the Canucks wait unttil wintertime to get procedures done in America, right? Derp!

The Brits & Canucks have a two tiered healthcare system, basic care is provided free to all, but if you can pay you can upgrade/go elsewhere. Sounds like a good model to me. Ask them if they would prefer our current system to theirs.

 

[progressive hunter]

There's a big misconception about government run healthcare. It's the lobbyist and drug companies and insurance companies who use the power of government to run healthcare in a way that kills competition, raises prices, and leads to poor healthcare.

Having practiced medicine for over 30 years, Congressman Ron Paul gives his perspective on the past and future of medicine in this country, and the effects of government and special interests on quality, costs and access.

We have the most expensive HC system in the world, yet many Americans most pay extraordinary sums of money to obtain care. Many end up bankrupt.

Funny thing...

...we Americans now have a SHORTER life expectancy, though HC is outrageously expensive.
Americans Are Dying Even Younger

...Then add in DEATH BY DOCTOR is a leading cause of death in the USA, and you have a mess.
The third-leading cause of death in America most doctors don't want you to know about

Something has to change.

all that means is americans are irresponsible and dont take care of themselves at home,,,

 

[Oddball]

A right, properly defined, cannot compel someone else to act.

Not an argument.

 

[alang1216]

ANYONE THAT NEEDS THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THEM SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE OR OWN PROPERTY,,,

There will be a lot of unhappy farmers.

 

[Oddball]

I don't believe it is only a choice between 100% gov't run healthcare and 0% gov't healthcare (I think the All-Payer model may be a better option). But if I had to choose one or the other I'll go with gov't. I've seen how healthcare in this country doesn't work, both before and after the ACA, whereas it works in other countries and the VA.

That's why Jagger had his work done in the US, amirite?

GTFO here with that commie garbage!

That's why all the Canucks wait unttil wintertime to get procedures done in America, right? Derp!

The Brits & Canucks have a two tiered healthcare system, basic care is provided free to all, but if you can pay you can upgrade/go elsewhere. Sounds like a good model to me. Ask them if they would prefer our current system to theirs.

Bandwagon and "the grass is greener" fallacies....Not an argument.