Poll: Do you want the Federal governemnt running all healthcare?

[McRocket]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

Did you not go to school after the 2nd grade?

I skipped grade six...as a matter of fact.

Care to try a different personal attack...one that actually makes sense?

You're trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.

Normally, I would assume a comment like yours was a semi-joke.

But I seriously am starting to wonder about this guy...honestly.

He seems to be making almost no sense.

 

[Jitss617]

I just speak in reality

 

[McRocket]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

Did you not go to school after the 2nd grade?

I skipped grade six...as a matter of fact.

Care to try a different personal attack...one that actually makes sense?

So if you open up a candy store next to one giving away all free candy how long would you stay open dumb arse

Ummm...do you have a point that has anything REMOTELY to do with healthcare or America...or humanity?

I honestly have no idea what you are babbling about.

 

[Pilot1]

Nobody is denied healthcare in the U.S. If you can not afford to pay you can walk into, or be delivered to any hospital and get healthcare provided to you. <snip>.

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

That is why I said in another post that we need to talk about a more efficient, effective, and EQUITABLE way to treat those people.

 

[alang1216]

Is housing and food a right too? They're both necessary for life.

I don't think they are the same since you can't work for your housing and food if you're not healthy enough to work.

 

[McRocket]

I just speak in reality

I have no doubt that you speak in 'your' reality.

Have a nice day.

 

[Jitss617]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

Did you not go to school after the 2nd grade?

I skipped grade six...as a matter of fact.

Care to try a different personal attack...one that actually makes sense?

So if you open up a candy store next to one giving away all free candy how long would you stay open dumb arse

Ummm...do you have a point that has anything REMOTELY to do with healthcare or America...or humanity?

I honestly have no idea what you are babbling about.

Lol wow

 

[Marion Morrison]

Nobody is denied healthcare in the U.S. If you can not afford to pay you can walk into, or be delivered to any hospital and get healthcare provided to you. <snip>.

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Would it not be easier and more cost-effective to just deport the beaners? Derp!

 

[Jitss617]

I just speak in reality

I have no doubt that you speak in 'your' reality.

Have a nice day.

Look at the polls and what history is recording

 

[Natural Citizen]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

At the state level, that's perfectly constitutional. Not only that, the states have a moral obligation to help their poor and disabled. With the federal government involved, it's a whole diferent set of problems, none of which I have the notion to type out, that's why I pasted that short video of the stastesman explaining it. With the feds involved in it, this is how the special interests are killing competition, destroying healthcare and laughing all the way to the bank.

I guess you probably already know all of that, I've read enough of your postings to know your views on stuff like this.

 

[alang1216]

I'd say some basic level of healthcare is a right of every citizen.

its not anyones right to make others pay for it

I pay for other peoples stuff all the time. I've never been to Nebraska but I've paid for their roads and schools.

 

[McRocket]

I am for two-tired healthcare.

Full government healthcare for those who cannot it otherwise AND private healthcare (with zero/minimal government meddling) for everyone else.

The who will pay for it? Thats the problem with that, it seems.
The middle class will be the ones to get fucked.

I think the costs will actually drop for most Americans.

Government interference in private healthcare in America is driving up costs insanely.

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

If the government concerned themselves ONLY with people who need government healthcare assistance...but left the private side alone - I believe overall healthcare spending would drop dramatically in America.

Sure, Medicaid and Medicare might cost about the same (maybe less). But private healthcare costs would plummet as the free market would finally be allowed to work for this area.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

/—-/ McLames no vote was his final FU*K YOU America before he croaked.

 

[Pilot1]

Nobody is denied healthcare in the U.S. If you can not afford to pay you can walk into, or be delivered to any hospital and get healthcare provided to you. <snip>.

You should try to get into an Emergency Room in South Florida.

You can't. It is FILLED to the brim with beaners, none of whom have insurance.

Because they know, they have been instructed and taught, that the E-Room MUST treat them.

Then they take off never to pay a dime of the costs.

So what do the Hospitals and Doctors do?

They cost-shift it onto the those who CAN pay. You. Me.

We need to have a Mandatory Insurance Law in this Country. Just like you are required to have Auto Insurance (which is private)

Would it not be easier and more cost-effective to just deport the beaners? Derp!

If they are here ILLEGALLY. YES!!!

 

[rightwinger]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

1. Are you willing to let the bottom half die in the streets if they cannot afford to pay for their healthcare?

2. They already pay more. My son is a Type-1 diabetic, the cost associated with that are enormous and I wonder how people manage.

There are a lot of problems with our system. I know a guy, he is about 28 or so, that was in between job and ended up in the ER and was diagnosed with Chrons disease. He spent 4 days in the hospital without insurance and will likely never be able to pay off what he owes. This is a problem with our system.

Around the time my mom and step-dad hit 70 they sold all their land and their house to my sister and BIL and essentially rented their house to avoid losing it all to the high cost of end of life care. This should not be necessary.

The problem in our country is we treat healthcare as both a commodity and a service. That cannot work in the long run.


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So, whats your solution? Big brother?

My solution is that “we the people” need to decide if healthcare is a commodity or a service.

If it is a commodity then those without the means to pay for it do not get it, just like every other commodity. Laws that mandate ERs, medical personnel and hospitals provide care must be taken off the books.

If it is a service then it should be treated like the police or fire department.


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We need to decide whether healthcare is a basic human right. If it is, we need to find the most efficient means to provide it.

Most nations have already determined it is a basic human right

 

[progressive hunter]

I'd say some basic level of healthcare is a right of every citizen.

its not anyones right to make others pay for it

I pay for other peoples stuff all the time. I've never been to Nebraska but I've paid for their roads and schools.

OK,,,that doesnt mean its their right,,,

 

[Pilot1]

Is housing and food a right too? They're both necessary for life.

I don't think they are the same since you can't work for your housing and food if you're not healthy enough to work.

That's actually a really good point. Hmmmm…...

 

[progressive hunter]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

1. Are you willing to let the bottom half die in the streets if they cannot afford to pay for their healthcare?

2. They already pay more. My son is a Type-1 diabetic, the cost associated with that are enormous and I wonder how people manage.

There are a lot of problems with our system. I know a guy, he is about 28 or so, that was in between job and ended up in the ER and was diagnosed with Chrons disease. He spent 4 days in the hospital without insurance and will likely never be able to pay off what he owes. This is a problem with our system.

Around the time my mom and step-dad hit 70 they sold all their land and their house to my sister and BIL and essentially rented their house to avoid losing it all to the high cost of end of life care. This should not be necessary.

The problem in our country is we treat healthcare as both a commodity and a service. That cannot work in the long run.


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So, whats your solution? Big brother?

My solution is that “we the people” need to decide if healthcare is a commodity or a service.

If it is a commodity then those without the means to pay for it do not get it, just like every other commodity. Laws that mandate ERs, medical personnel and hospitals provide care must be taken off the books.

If it is a service then it should be treated like the police or fire department.


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We need to decide whether healthcare is a basic human right. If it is, we need to find the most efficient means to provide it.

Most nations have already determined it is a basic human right

healthcare is a personal responsibility that starts at home,,,when it requires outside input it is a product and also a personal responsibility

 

[alang1216]

I'd say some basic level of healthcare is a right of every citizen.

The "right" of helathcare is the govt not oppressing you from seeking it.

Unless you are ready to turn people away from an emergency room if they don't have insurance (I'm not) we all need to have insurance

 

[Marion Morrison]

I remember Obama's promise that Obamacare would save all families about $2,500 a year, it actually cost them about $10,000 a year in deductibles, meaning that they basically pay premiums AND pay deductibles to see a doctor. McCain really screwed up not killing Obamacare when he had the chance.

The democrats are running on "single payer" Medicare for all, where the government pays for all healthcare, and its FREE when needed. I can't imagine the lines of people waiting to see doctors. I wonder what GS pay grade doctors would get?

These two links basically prove two main points:
1. About 20% of the population uses 80% of the healthcare system. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
Does 20% of the population really use 80% of health care dollars?
2. The bottom 50% of the population by income pays basically nothing for healthcare
How do health expenditures vary across the population? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker

How can we improve the US healthcare system?
1. The bottom half of the population needs to work to get healthcare, medicaid needs to be cut
2. The 20% of the sickest need top pay more for healthcare since they use most of the resource

Any better ideas??

1. Are you willing to let the bottom half die in the streets if they cannot afford to pay for their healthcare?

2. They already pay more. My son is a Type-1 diabetic, the cost associated with that are enormous and I wonder how people manage.

There are a lot of problems with our system. I know a guy, he is about 28 or so, that was in between job and ended up in the ER and was diagnosed with Chrons disease. He spent 4 days in the hospital without insurance and will likely never be able to pay off what he owes. This is a problem with our system.

Around the time my mom and step-dad hit 70 they sold all their land and their house to my sister and BIL and essentially rented their house to avoid losing it all to the high cost of end of life care. This should not be necessary.

The problem in our country is we treat healthcare as both a commodity and a service. That cannot work in the long run.


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So, whats your solution? Big brother?

My solution is that “we the people” need to decide if healthcare is a commodity or a service.

If it is a commodity then those without the means to pay for it do not get it, just like every other commodity. Laws that mandate ERs, medical personnel and hospitals provide care must be taken off the books.

If it is a service then it should be treated like the police or fire department.


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We need to decide whether healthcare is a basic human right. If it is, we need to find the most efficient means to provide it.

Most nations have already determined it is a basic human right

In no way does that mean it needs to be like other nations here. We do what we want in America.