Politics of the Article V Convention Brewing

[bripat9643]

There will be no Article V convention.

You're the guy who said Trump wouldn't win, aren't you?

 

[Sicilianthing]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

That is unclear. Further, amendments can and do rewrite the constitution. There are no limits to the changes that can be made with amendments and I do not trust the current climate to produce something that is an improvement over what we have. You are not going to see changes that emphasize protecting rights or limiting government - you are going to see amendments that expand the scope of the government and increase the welfare state.

I don't thnk so. The red states outnumber the blue stats.

Here’s something I found interesting to note. In the video with Tom Coburn he insinuates that this convention would help us FIX Social Security and Medicare. Then from the website in the OP it seems to endorse this possible outcome:
“A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)”
Well, as many conservatives have noted, these two objectives are incompatible because using the “original view”, Social Security and Medicare would not be fixed, but entirely struck down as unconstitutional:
The General Welfare Clause is not about writing checks

So then, does it really matter that there will be mostly “red states” at the convention? “Red state” only really means ‘mostly republican’; but Republicans support using the ‘general welfare clause’ to allow the federal government to spend money on anything they want almost as much as the Democrats do. Medicare is very popular with Republicans, thus the reason Tom Coburn talked about FIXING it. General welfare clause abuse probably accounts for half the federal budget and half the federal bureaucracy (swamp). In fact I think Republicans mostly support all TYPES of federal overreach just as much as the Democrats, the only real difference is in the degree.

I don’t think we can just be sending the same old Republican or Democrat politicians to this convention. Just because they are state level Republicrats, doesn’t mean they don’t support the same policies as federal ones. Heck, even the so called “constitutional originalist” judges on the supreme court don’t seem to understand federal general welfare clause abuse. I read the dissent on the big Obamacare supreme court case, and I didn’t see them discuss it.

What I think needs to be done is that the people need to understand why federal decentralization could be quite healthy and helpful for this nation. I live in a majority Democrat region, and I’ve actually had a fair amount of success in my talks with a few Democrat type people. But I think often it takes personal, one-on-one type discussions. If I was a delegate to this Convention of the States, I would offer one amendment (as I discuss here):
constitutional amendment discussion

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The only thing I’m looking for with the ConCon is the Removal of all officials... FLAT OUT !

I posted that in reply to someone else here... so I could careless about any assistance or SS or any other bullshit for now...

Do you have any idea where all the money is ?
What account?
How these Assholes plundered the fund after it was set up ?

Brother Please !

 

[Sicilianthing]

There will be no Article V convention.

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You can think that !