Police do welfare check, kill person they are supposed to help

Discussion in 'Law and Justice System' started by Quantum Windbag, Mar 7, 2012.

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    This doesn't even make sense. Once they ascertained he was fine they should have left.

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    The government is trying to get us to believe that if something is "for our own good" that anything including agents of government violating our rights is justifiable.
     
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    Why didn't he just open the door so they could see he was fine? :doubt:
     
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    No agenda on the part of the article, nope none at all.
     
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    Why should he have to when he told them he was fine already?
     
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    Why should he? Is there a law that requires you to open a door when the police knock, especially when they do not actually have a warrant?
     
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    Why would the victim say the Police were coming to kill him? Was he deranged? Did he arm himself? I'm not excusing the shooting but my guess is that there is more to the story than the NY Times spin on it. Too many Police cars for a 911 heart attack call and being armed with taser shotguns is not a normal aid case response. Most likely the victims family thought they were in danger and that's the way the call came in.
     
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    As the saying goes.."You have the right to do certain things; but that doesn't mean you are right to do them"
    He subscribed to a service to come to his aid if he needs help - he activates the service...and then refuses to open the door leading police to wonder if someone is forcing him to say he is alright.

    He should have just opened his freaking door.
     
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    I don't have any problem with the police breaking in the door on the facts known to them at the time. Police have the right to kick a door in if they reasonably believe someone on the other side of the door is in danger of phsycial harm or death. In this case, the man behind the door was telling him he was OK. They still have the right to kick the door in. (Although the poster who commented, "why didn't he just open the door?" has a good point.)

    According to the article, however, the next thing that happened after they kicked the door in was, they tasered him. Why? Not clear from the article. This is a very poorly written article, devoid of lots of facts that are very important to deciding who was right and who was wrong here.

    The article mentions that the old man was "emotionally disturbed." Possibly what he was doing as a consequence of his "emotional disturbance" was the reason why they tasered him in the first place.

    If he truly did pull a knife on the cops, their actions may well have been justified. Again, we don't know enough from the article. Where was he in relation to the cops when he pulled the knife? Lying on the floor, fifteen feet away, across the room? On his feet rushing at them? Kind of makes a difference.

    Not enough info in the article.
     
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    The people that wrote THAT article have an agenda and it is to make the cops and Government look bad. Of course lots of facts are missing.
     

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