Pilgrims came to US fleeing socialism in 1600s.

[Sallow]

They learned that in the 1620s”:

AKIN: It might be helpful to think back and say, there’s more to Thanksgiving than the Pilgrims. They were a group of people who were willing to change the system, to think of different ideas. They came here and separated civil and church governments. They came here and created the model of a written constitution, the idea that the government should be the servant of the people. […] They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.
ThinkProgress Rep. Todd Akin: The Pilgrims Came To America To Flee ‘Unbiblical’ Socialism In The 1620′s

Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.

 

[uscitizen]

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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The title is misleading. They didn't come here fleeing Socialism in Europe. William Bradford, who was the first "governor" of the new Plymouth colony actually set up a communal society in which everything belonged to the community, rather than the individual. It didn't take long for them to find out that such a system didn't work because people didn't have the motivation to do labor for other people when they weren't receiving any benefit from it themselves. They then did away with this system and unleashed the first American idea of free enterprise. Bradford wrote about it in his journal "Of Plymouth Plantation". You can probably find it at the library.

 

[loosecannon]

The title is misleading. They didn't come here fleeing Socialism in Europe. William Bradford, who was the first "governor" of the new Plymouth colony actually set up a communal society in which everything belonged to the community, rather than the individual. It didn't take long for them to find out that such a system didn't work because people didn't have the motivation to do labor for other people when they weren't receiving any benefit from it themselves. They then did away with this system and unleashed the first American idea of free enterprise. Bradford wrote about it in his journal "Of Plymouth Plantation". You can probably find it at the library.

More pure myth. Without that communal system the early colonists would have all died of starvation and from a lack of defense.

Why is communal or socialist defense cool, but communal and socialist agriculture is so uncool?

Could it be that both have served humanity for 100's of thousands of years and our recent kooks just don't have any grasp of history?

The family is a socialist enterprise.

As is the clan.

As is the nation state, and the tribe.

Well that accounts for 99.9999% of human history.

 

[shintao]

The title is misleading. They didn't come here fleeing Socialism in Europe. William Bradford, who was the first "governor" of the new Plymouth colony actually set up a communal society in which everything belonged to the community, rather than the individual. It didn't take long for them to find out that such a system didn't work because people didn't have the motivation to do labor for other people when they weren't receiving any benefit from it themselves. They then did away with this system and unleashed the first American idea of free enterprise. Bradford wrote about it in his journal "Of Plymouth Plantation". You can probably find it at the library.

And that is why we have the government run social programs and put a laser beam to the heads of capitalists to make damn sure the programs are funded.

 

[Dr.House]

They learned that in the 1620s”:

AKIN: It might be helpful to think back and say, there’s more to Thanksgiving than the Pilgrims. They were a group of people who were willing to change the system, to think of different ideas. They came here and separated civil and church governments. They came here and created the model of a written constitution, the idea that the government should be the servant of the people. […] They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.
ThinkProgress Rep. Todd Akin: The Pilgrims Came To America To Flee ‘Unbiblical’ Socialism In The 1620′s

Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.

No, I don't read UnthinkingProgress....

 

[rdean]

They learned that in the 1620s”:

AKIN: It might be helpful to think back and say, there’s more to Thanksgiving than the Pilgrims. They were a group of people who were willing to change the system, to think of different ideas. They came here and separated civil and church governments. They came here and created the model of a written constitution, the idea that the government should be the servant of the people. […] They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.
ThinkProgress Rep. Todd Akin: The Pilgrims Came To America To Flee ‘Unbiblical’ Socialism In The 1620′s

Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.

You are NOT going to win the debate. This is Republican/Conservative "history". Not based in fact. But, according the right wing, true none-the-less.

According to the "right wing" Bible, "charity" is only good if someone doesn't "tell" you to be charitable, the way the Bible does. Does that make sense? Yes, to them. It makes perfect sense.

 

[uscitizen]

Actually tthe pilgrims seemed to form a more socialistic group then the Church of England which they were fleeing from.

 

[skookerasbil]

They learned that in the 1620s”:

AKIN: It might be helpful to think back and say, there’s more to Thanksgiving than the Pilgrims. They were a group of people who were willing to change the system, to think of different ideas. They came here and separated civil and church governments. They came here and created the model of a written constitution, the idea that the government should be the servant of the people. […] They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.
ThinkProgress Rep. Todd Akin: The Pilgrims Came To America To Flee ‘Unbiblical’ Socialism In The 1620′s

Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.

nobody cares.................

 

[Blagger]

The Pilgrims of the Plymouth colony weren't "fleeing socialism". They were escaping from religious persecution in England.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

They learned that in the 1620s”:

AKIN: It might be helpful to think back and say, there’s more to Thanksgiving than the Pilgrims. They were a group of people who were willing to change the system, to think of different ideas. They came here and separated civil and church governments. They came here and created the model of a written constitution, the idea that the government should be the servant of the people. […] They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.
ThinkProgress Rep. Todd Akin: The Pilgrims Came To America To Flee ‘Unbiblical’ Socialism In The 1620′s

Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.

No, I don't read UnthinkingProgress....

Yeah.....let's HEAR IT, for IGNORANCE;

The TEABAGGER-THING-TO-DO!!!!

 

[editec]

The Pilgrims of the Plymouth colony weren't "fleeing socialism". They were escaping from religious persecution in England.

Plus they were escaping from the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM that they Dutch gave them.

Apparently their idea of religious freedom was you were free to practice any religion as long as the religion you practiced was Puritanism.

All others need apply for citizenship in Rhode Island or Pennsylvania where religious freedom was actually taken rather seriously.

 

[Blagger]

The Pilgrims of the Plymouth colony weren't "fleeing socialism". They were escaping from religious persecution in England.

Plus they were escaping from the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM that they Dutch gave them.

Apparently their idea of religious freedom was you were free to practice any religion as long as the religion you practiced was Puritanism.

All others need apply for citizenship in Rhode Island or Pennsylvania where religious freedom was actually taken rather seriously.

In all honesty, this isn't something I know all that much about, and I'm not religious, either.

But I sympathize with them for wanting to escape a fickle environment where religious freedom depended on who was on the throne.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The Pilgrims of the Plymouth colony weren't "fleeing socialism". They were escaping from religious persecution in England.

Can you IMAGINE the party the Brits must have had (at the docks), when the Puritans "escaped"??!!!!



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[Sallow]

The title is misleading. They didn't come here fleeing Socialism in Europe. William Bradford, who was the first "governor" of the new Plymouth colony actually set up a communal society in which everything belonged to the community, rather than the individual. It didn't take long for them to find out that such a system didn't work because people didn't have the motivation to do labor for other people when they weren't receiving any benefit from it themselves. They then did away with this system and unleashed the first American idea of free enterprise. Bradford wrote about it in his journal "Of Plymouth Plantation". You can probably find it at the library.

I think you missed the point. The OP was about a Congressman making up a fairy tale..

 

[Sallow]

Actually tthe pilgrims seemed to form a more socialistic group then the Church of England which they were fleeing from.

Well yeah..

 

[AllieBaba]

I continue to be amazed at the lack of historical knowledge, and the lack of research skills, that are shown on this site every single day.

 

[Sallow]

I continue to be amazed at the lack of historical knowledge, and the lack of research skills, that are shown on this site every single day.

It's not only that..but the willful acceptance of anything that aligns with a particular ideology..whether it's historically accurate or not.

I could care less where you sit on issues..but don't screw with the facts.

And history.

Akin needs to go back to elementary school..or pick up a book.

 

[AllieBaba]

So do you.

 

[Sallow]

So do you.

Um..

Okay..I will bite.

Why is that?

Is your contention that the Pilgrims actually were fleeing Socialism? Thereby agreeing with Akin?