Discussion in 'Politics' started by Sallow, Nov 27, 2010.
Does anyone ever get tired of this kind of crap? This isn't even revisionism..this is pure fantasy.
The title is misleading. They didn't come here fleeing Socialism in Europe. William Bradford, who was the first "governor" of the new Plymouth colony actually set up a communal society in which everything belonged to the community, rather than the individual. It didn't take long for them to find out that such a system didn't work because people didn't have the motivation to do labor for other people when they weren't receiving any benefit from it themselves. They then did away with this system and unleashed the first American idea of free enterprise. Bradford wrote about it in his journal "Of Plymouth Plantation". You can probably find it at the library.
More pure myth. Without that communal system the early colonists would have all died of starvation and from a lack of defense.
Why is communal or socialist defense cool, but communal and socialist agriculture is so uncool?
Could it be that both have served humanity for 100's of thousands of years and our recent kooks just don't have any grasp of history?
The family is a socialist enterprise.
As is the clan.
As is the nation state, and the tribe.
Well that accounts for 99.9999% of human history.
And that is why we have the government run social programs and put a laser beam to the heads of capitalists to make damn sure the programs are funded.
No, I don't read UnthinkingProgress....
You are NOT going to win the debate. This is Republican/Conservative "history". Not based in fact. But, according the right wing, true none-the-less.
According to the "right wing" Bible, "charity" is only good if someone doesn't "tell" you to be charitable, the way the Bible does. Does that make sense? Yes, to them. It makes perfect sense.
Actually tthe pilgrims seemed to form a more socialistic group then the Church of England which they were fleeing from.
The Pilgrims of the Plymouth colony weren't "fleeing socialism". They were escaping from religious persecution in England.
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