Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill

[JBeukema]

FA, your thoughts on my earlier proposal?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I bet they have no problem selling viagra.

Or any other drugs that interfere with 'god's will' and ignore the bible's teachings on the laying of hands and such.

But we digress.

That tends to happen when idiots speak, which is why you should stay out of all serious threads.

 

[FA_Q2]

A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times

It's just the abortion issue. In Washington a pharmacist must sell Plan B, in Missouri they can refuse. In some places pharmacists have refused to sell other forms of birth control.

I can see where this discussion is going.

No, it goes beyond that issue as they are requiring people to sell a specific product. The abortion issue gives this product a fanatical following to defend it (as well as fanatical opposition) but it still amounts to a requirement to sell a specific product. IMO, I could care less about the reasoning or the product, a store has the right to sell and not to sell whatever it pleases.

 

[JBeukema]

Don't you have to provide some wort of study before I have to refute it? So far all you have done is quoted one person who is testifying in an attempt to justify stem cell research because nature wastes a lot of embryos, without providing any documentation of his claim.

fail.

Actually, I quoted a textbook that got its figures from 3 different studies and cited the book.

Now, you deny that nature prevents implantation, which means you're asserting that all fertilized eggs implant. Present your evidence.


And what the fuck is your obsession with telepathy?

Birth control is a prescription medication, and there are some very serious side effects from using it.

Your point?

I'm not the one who believes in telepathy.

Evidently so, since you're the only one of the two off us who's ever brought it up.

 

[JBeukema]

I bet they have no problem selling viagra.

Or any other drugs that interfere with 'god's will' and ignore the bible's teachings on the laying of hands and such.

But we digress.

That tends to happen when idiots speak, which is why you should stay out of all serious threads.

Clearly, you're retarded. You think ever single fertilized egg ever in the history of man has implanted unless Plan B was used and you're obsessed with telepathy. That combined with your total reliance on pathetic ad homs reveals your total inability to make a valid point.


I'll waste no more time on you.

 

[JBeukema]

a store has the right to sell and not to sell whatever it pleases.

So long as the product is legal and they are licensed to sell it, if applicable.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Don't you have to provide some wort of study before I have to refute it? So far all you have done is quoted one person who is testifying in an attempt to justify stem cell research because nature wastes a lot of embryos, without providing any documentation of his claim.

fail.

Actually, I quoted a textbook that got its figures from 3 different studies and cited the book.

Now, you deny that nature prevents implantation, which means you're asserting that all fertilized eggs implant. Present your evidence.

Good try.

You cited a NEJM article that was cited by other articles. If you want to cite a text book you will have to provide something more than you did. What are the articles and/or studies this conclusion is based upon? Until you supply some sort of evidence I do not have to refute anything. All I have to do is point out that your claims are based on unsubstantiated opinion. Show me some data.

 

[FA_Q2]

FA, your thoughts on my earlier proposal?

I assume you are referring to this post:

Solution: tell the gov to STFU and let business chose whether or not to sell a given product. Allow those who sell BC, including Plan B to add their name a list if they wish and require that is a pharmacy does not sell prophylactics/BC, they provide the address and phone number for the Health Department an/or a list of those pharmacies who requested their name be added to the list. Allow the Health Department (or whatever department thereof) to make BC available to those in need.


Where I live, the Health Department has a Department of Family Planning and Women's Health that makes condoms available. This same department can be set up in the city in question and tasked with also providing BC or, if more feasible, guiding those in need to where they might acquire such resources.


That way, the pharmacists are not forced to sell something to do not wish to sell and those in need still have access to BC, including Plan B.


Can we all live with that?

If you are, then yes we are in complete agreement. There is on KEY that I would like to point out about what you said: all parties in that solution are given the choice on what they wish to do. A pharmacy should be required to direct you to the health department or FDA if you have questions anyway that they cannot attend to as that is the governing body there. Keeping a voluntary list that doubles as advertisement for those that realize there is nothing wrong with plan b, or any other legal drug for that matter, is an amicable solution that benefits ALL parties involved.

So long as the product is legal and they are licensed to sell it, if applicable.

Of course. Thought that went without saying but then again with some of the people here....

 

[JBeukema]

Good try.

You cited a NEJM article that was cited by other articles. If you want to cite a text book you will have to provide something more than you did.

Or you could learn to fucking read

 

[Sarah G]

Somehow I just can't get that excited about "the store owner's right to refuse to sell something".

So if I choose to sell aspirin but not prescription drugs? If I don't carry opiates because the are of town in which I do business has a lot of pharmaceutical theft, and I instead tell people where they can purchase it?

Should every store be forced to sell everything?

JB, if you don't sell prescription drugs you are not running a pharmacy. You're being especially obtuse tonight.

This pill is OTC medication, not prescription, but it's held in the pharmacy. Pharmacists who object to selling it should get out of the business. They don't need to bring religious beliefs to work and attempt to impose them on pharmacy patients.

Soon they'll try to control what their employer sells and simply be fired.

They dispense drugs, they're not there to provide moral advice.

 

[Madeline]

Plan B is not a prescription drug?

 

[Brubricker]

Plan B is not a prescription drug?

Minors need a prescription. Adults do not.

 

[Flopper]

A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times

It's just the abortion issue. In Washington a pharmacist must sell Plan B, in Missouri they can refuse. In some places pharmacists have refused to sell other forms of birth control.

I can see where this discussion is going.

No, it goes beyond that issue as they are requiring people to sell a specific product. The abortion issue gives this product a fanatical following to defend it (as well as fanatical opposition) but it still amounts to a requirement to sell a specific product. IMO, I could care less about the reasoning or the product, a store has the right to sell and not to sell whatever it pleases.

I believe the obligation of the pharmacist is too fill the doctor's prescription. The pharmacist should not have the option of denying the patient a drug that the doctor has prescribed because of personal beliefs. If the pharmacist can deny Plan B, because of his personal beliefs, he can refuse to sell any drug for any of a number of reasons. In small rural communities there are not a lot of drug stores to choose from. If one drug store in a community refuses to sell a drug then others can also. Being a pharmacist is not like selling shoes where the seller can pick and choose what he wants to sell.

 

[Sarah G]

Plan B is not a prescription drug?

No. These pharmacists don't even have to touch it. Birth control pills shouldn't require a script either.

You have to be 17 or older to buy it.

 

[Sarah G]

The RU-486 pill is the abortion drug. Not the same thing as Plan B.

 

[Madeline]

Thankies, Sarah. I think I was confusing the two.

 

[jillian]

A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times

they could decide not to be pharmacists if carrying pharmaceuticals upsets them.

 

[Charles_Main]

I wonder if those pharmacists that are so pissed carry regular birth control pills.

Birth control prevents an egg from dropping in the first place and therefore prevents the fertilization of the egg. Plan B does not allow the egg to implant in the wall AFTER fertilization, the point at which many feel life begins at. To them, it is the same as killing the child. If there is a catholic here I would like to know how they feel about selling birth control since it is against catholic dogma to take it. Do Catholics equate birth control to murder in the same manner as the plan b pill?

They Equate it as playing god. So they say.

 

[LuckyDan]

A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times

they could decide not to be pharmacists if carrying pharmaceuticals upsets them.

Better, stop being pharmacists in WA state. Pack up and move.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Good try.

You cited a NEJM article that was cited by other articles. If you want to cite a text book you will have to provide something more than you did.

Or you could learn to fucking read

Like I said, if you want to cite a textbook you will have to provide more. Either of the following will do.

Purdue OWL

MLA Citation Style