Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill

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    A new law here in Washington forces pharmacies to carry and sell the Plan B pill. Owners of several pharmacies have filed lawsuit based on the freedom of religion claiming that Plan B is against their beliefs and they refuse to sell the contraceptive. Lawmakers are contemplating changing the law to read that they do not have to carry Plan B if they refer customers to a nearby store that does sell the pill.

    I wonder what the take on this concept is here. I am somewhat taken aback by this as I would have thought that it would naturally be the right of the business owner to decide what he or she sells. What right does the state have to mandate that a particular business sells anything. I understand regulation and placing limitations on items that a business is allowed to sell but forcing one to sell something seems over the top. What are your thoughts?



    Pharmacists can't refuse Plan B pill, appeals court says - Los Angeles Times
     
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    I wonder if those pharmacists that are so pissed carry regular birth control pills.
     
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    Birth control prevents an egg from dropping in the first place and therefore prevents the fertilization of the egg. Plan B does not allow the egg to implant in the wall AFTER fertilization, the point at which many feel life begins at. To them, it is the same as killing the child. If there is a catholic here I would like to know how they feel about selling birth control since it is against catholic dogma to take it. Do Catholics equate birth control to murder in the same manner as the plan b pill?
     
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    As does nature, most of the time.

    There's no room for opinion when it comes to basic scientific facts as when a new lifeform is created via the fusion of two germ cells nto a singular distinct organism.
    Then I recommend they talk to God about his countless abortions and they don't take Plan b.


    Solution: tell the gov to STFU and let business chose whether or not to sell a given product. Allow those who sell BC, including Plan B to add their name a list if they wish and require that is a pharmacy does not sell prophylactics/BC, they provide the address and phone number for the Health Department an/or a list of those pharmacies who requested their name be added to the list. Allow the Health Department (or whatever department thereof) to make BC available to those in need.


    Where I live, the Health Department has a Department of Family Planning and Women's Health that makes condoms available. This same department can be set up in the city in question and tasked with also providing BC or, if more feasible, guiding those in need to where they might acquire such resources.


    That way, the pharmacists are not forced to sell something to do not wish to sell and those in need still have access to BC, including Plan B.


    Can we all live with that?
     
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    However, the woman could just purchase any BCP, take 4-6 of them, and she would have the same result as Plan B.

    So, in essense, they would have to refuse to carry ALL BCPs if they wanted to have a clear conscience.
     
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    Where did you pick up that bit of knowledge?

    Yet you continue to debate about it.

    What does that have to do with forcing them to sell it?

    Health departments do provide birth control in the form of condoms.

    I see you are already familiar with that fact, why are you suggesting that they do something you already know they do.

    Oh, you want the health department to hand out prescription medication to anyone who asks for it, even if they do not have a prescription. Would that include things like morphine, or do you just want to restrict it to drugs that are useful to women? I think I could make a pretty good case that that is discriminatory.

    Government agencies discriminating on the basis of sex? Why would anyone have a problem with that? Not to mention the fact that it would violate federal law.

    Brilliant.
     
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    Some national chains of drugstores have shown hesitancy to sell Plan B out of fear of retaliation from anti-abortion activitists. Allowing a drug store to tell a patient with a valid script they will not fill it because of a POV about that patient's life, lifestyle, etc. seems contrary to the role of the pharmacist in the health care team.

    My own feeling is if a filled prescription for Plan B is that difficult for a pharmacist he or she has doubtless faced other ethical dilemmas before...and maybe pharmacy is not the right career for them. In some communities, at certain times, these drug stores are filling scripts handed out by ERs to rape victims. Somehow I just can't get that excited about "the store owner's right to refuse to sell something".
     
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    :lol:

    Really, you think every fertilized egg implants? :lol:

    NEJM -- Embryo Ethics -- The Moral Logic of Stem-Cell Research

    John M. Opitz of the University of Utah testified before the President's council on Bioethics in 2003, he noted that between 60 and 80 percent of all naturally conceived embryos are simply flushed out in a woman's normal menstrual cycle in the first 7 days after fertilization, and that women never even know that conception has taken place.

    Furthermore,
    Emphasis in original; used to signify important terminology

    Source: The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (5th Edition)

    (one of the acquisitions on my latest shopping spree)

    Now, if you've more recent studies that show this information to be incorrect, present them.
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    No, I don't I've stated repeatedly that it's simply a matter of scientific fact.

    You said they had religious objections. They need to speak to their god, since he's a mass murdering abortionist.
    And, in some cases, also BC, including Plan B. What's your point? That somehow makes my solution invalid?
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    What the fuck are you babbling about? Do cite where I said that, retard.
    You're making an excellent case for showing you to be mentally deficient.
    You're a fucking moron. You are aware of that, right?
     
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    So if I choose to sell aspirin but not prescription drugs? If I don't carry opiates because the are of town in which I do business has a lot of pharmaceutical theft, and I instead tell people where they can purchase it?

    Should every store be forced to sell everything?
     
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    I bet they have no problem selling viagra.
     

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