Personal responsibility vs. Public safety net

[manifold]

I have a confession to make.

The last time a bought a car I negotiated $2,000 off the asking price.

I'm sorry that you all now have to pay more for your cars simply because of my selfish, self-centered skirting of my personal responsibility to pay list price.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

And stuck the rest of us with the bill - wonder where they made up the $20,000 this guy stiffed 'em for? Yup, jacked up the price for the rest of us who DO pay our way.

How much of my medical bill did you have to pay?

We ALL covered it for you - by paying higher prices. There's no such thing as a free lunch. You just passed the check to everyone else.
And then go around trying to preach "personal responsibility."

What a hypocrite.

And you know that how? How do you know that the 30k both sides negotiated was not adequate to ensure that the problem you describe did not happen? How do you know that 30k was not on par or even above what insurance would have paid? The simple answers are- you do not know any of that.

The safety net I fell back on during this time was my own sense of personal responsibility. I did not ask the government for help- although it was offered. You paid absolutely nothing for the treatment I received. I paid it all.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

I have a confession to make.

The last time a bought a car I negotiated $2,000 off the asking price.

I'm sorry that you all now have to pay more for your cars simply because of my selfish, self-centered skirting of my personal responsibility to pay list price.

Manifold- you know how we reached my settlements? I asked them to charge me exactly what insurance will pay for those billed services. When you do not have insurance you pay a premium.

 

[Ravi]

I have a confession to make.

The last time a bought a car I negotiated $2,000 off the asking price.

I'm sorry that you all now have to pay more for your cars simply because of my selfish, self-centered skirting of my personal responsibility to pay list price.

Negotiating ahead of time is a world of difference than settling after the fact because you can't afford to pay. Why don't you go try to take a car off the lot and then negotiate on the price?

 

[nodoginnafight]

The safety net I fell back on during this time was my own sense of personal responsibility. I did not ask the government for help- although it was offered. You paid absolutely nothing for the treatment I received. I paid it all.

OK - you don't understand how we ALL paid for what you refused to pay for.

But I do.

 

[Nosmo King]

Go to where the jobs are! What a sterling idea! Wanna buy my house?

Who's gonna buy my house? WAHHHHH!!!!
Ok, sit on your ass and keep complaining....

Nobody is buying houses in my community! Why? No one has work! No one is moving here to find no work. So, the solution: go to where the jobs are, is confounded by cold hard reality. The investment made by buying a house is not paying off due to a lousy market and lousier trade agreements.

That pesky reality usually bites the ass of those who cannot think beyond their own circumstance.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

I explained why I and all my colleagues have not received raises. The premiums charged by our health care provider have sucked any excess out of our budget. Thanks, Capitalism! I am now working to fund an insurance company!

And those with health care are seeing their benefits erode while the premiums continue to rise beyond the costs of everything else. Thanks again, Capitalism!

And savings is a worthy thing. But to have half a town thrown out of work when the mill or factory shuts down and ships the machinery to Asia to start all over, savings won't pay the health care premiums, the electric bill, the mortgage and the kids food bill very long, will it?

Many of our woes are the result of catering to Capitalists. "Free" trade?!? Ask any working (or formerly working) person in this part of our country how well that opening of Mexican markets has worked out! But, the board of directors of the large corporations get more face time with law makers than us poor working stiffs. So the gravy goes to them. All in the name of "the greater good". Thanks, Capitalism! You have enriched the Capitalists beyond even their capacity for greed would permit them to believe! Let the poor working class fend for themselves! What a solution!

Sounds like you should be lookin for a new employer. Quit whining. As for the mill closing- might wanna go where the jobs are, or accept the risk inherent in your industry.

The poor, working class, of which I was a member most of my life- have it pretty goddamn good. THANKS, CAPITALISM.

Again, dutch courage. Go to where the jobs are! What a sterling idea! Wanna buy my house? That way I could afford the ticket to Singapore and get a job paying a fraction of what I made here doing the exact same thing (but without all those pesky workplace safety regulations which kept me alive!)

If reasoning like yours is what passes for solutions, keep it to yourself!

Nobody pays me to solve the problems you have created in your own life. But I will, for the price of 100 bucks an hour.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

The safety net I fell back on during this time was my own sense of personal responsibility. I did not ask the government for help- although it was offered. You paid absolutely nothing for the treatment I received. I paid it all.

OK - you don't understand how we ALL paid for what you refused to pay for.

But I do.

No, you don't. Because you do not understand hospital billing practices.

 

[manifold]

I have a confession to make.

The last time a bought a car I negotiated $2,000 off the asking price.

I'm sorry that you all now have to pay more for your cars simply because of my selfish, self-centered skirting of my personal responsibility to pay list price.

Manifold- you know how we reached my settlements? I asked them to charge me exactly what insurance will pay for those billed services. When you do not have insurance you pay a premium.

That is unless you're smart enough to barter.

Good for you. Don't pay any attention to the socialist agenda whores.

 

[nodoginnafight]

The safety net I fell back on during this time was my own sense of personal responsibility. I did not ask the government for help- although it was offered. You paid absolutely nothing for the treatment I received. I paid it all.

OK - you don't understand how we ALL paid for what you refused to pay for.

But I do.

No, you don't. Because you do not understand hospital billing practices.

Yes, I do.

If everyone had your "sense of responsibility" NO ONE would pay their own way.

 

[Nosmo King]

Sounds like you should be lookin for a new employer. Quit whining. As for the mill closing- might wanna go where the jobs are, or accept the risk inherent in your industry.

The poor, working class, of which I was a member most of my life- have it pretty goddamn good. THANKS, CAPITALISM.

Again, dutch courage. Go to where the jobs are! What a sterling idea! Wanna buy my house? That way I could afford the ticket to Singapore and get a job paying a fraction of what I made here doing the exact same thing (but without all those pesky workplace safety regulations which kept me alive!)

If reasoning like yours is what passes for solutions, keep it to yourself!

Nobody pays me to solve the problems you have created in your own life. But I will, for the price of 100 bucks an hour.

I didn't create these problems! If it were up to me, we would still have steel mills here producing a vital strategic resource! We would still have young people here starting their own families with an eye to the future. We would still maintain the standard of living which made America the envy of the world.

I didn't create any of the problems we suffer from. Kowtowing to Capitalists created them.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Go to where the jobs are! What a sterling idea! Wanna buy my house?

Who's gonna buy my house? WAHHHHH!!!!
Ok, sit on your ass and keep complaining....

Nobody is buying houses in my community! Why? No one has work! No one is moving here to find no work. So, the solution: go to where the jobs are, is confounded by cold hard reality. The investment made by buying a house is not paying off due to a lousy market and lousier trade agreements.

That pesky reality usually bites the ass of those who cannot think beyond their own circumstance.

The cold hard reality is that you gambled and lost. Now get over it.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

OK - you don't understand how we ALL paid for what you refused to pay for.

But I do.

No, you don't. Because you do not understand hospital billing practices.

Yes, I do.

If everyone had your "sense of responsibility" NO ONE would pay their own way.

So, Nodog- would it have been better if my insurance had paid the exact amount that I did?

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Again, dutch courage. Go to where the jobs are! What a sterling idea! Wanna buy my house? That way I could afford the ticket to Singapore and get a job paying a fraction of what I made here doing the exact same thing (but without all those pesky workplace safety regulations which kept me alive!)

If reasoning like yours is what passes for solutions, keep it to yourself!

Nobody pays me to solve the problems you have created in your own life. But I will, for the price of 100 bucks an hour.

I didn't create these problems! If it were up to me, we would still have steel mills here producing a vital strategic resource! We would still have young people here starting their own families with an eye to the future. We would still maintain the standard of living which made America the envy of the world.

I didn't create any of the problems we suffer from. Kowtowing to Capitalists created them.

Right. The problems in your life are not of your making. An attitude like that should go a long way in helping you resolve those problems.

 

[nodoginnafight]

yeah punk - go right ahead and take others to task for their circumstances while you welsh on what you owe so everyone else can pick up the tab for you.

What a hypocrite.

 

[chanel]

What kind of country do we want to be?

Do we want people begging in the streets to feed their children?
Do we want people sleeping in the streets?
Do we want people wandering among us carrying infectious disease?
Do we want people dying in the streets?

That is how third world countries operate. There is no "safety net" in third world countries. You live or die based on your lot in life.

We are the wealtiest country on earth. How do we want to be known based on our treatment of citizens?

Shouldn't we strive for the best?

Strive for the best? As in cable TV, houses at the beach, and cell phones?

I agree that we do not want people living on the streets, esp. children. However, I have personally witnessed such abuses of the system, that CHOOSING single motherhood and living on the public dole, is not such a shabby way to live. I realize welfare laws are different in different states, and unemployment eligibility varies, but here in S. Jersey, people live very comfortably by either working 3 months a year, or not working at all.

Here's the latest scam. The Div. of Youth & Family services pays over $1000 a month per foster child. (plus clothing allowances ) That may be 3 times what welfare pays. So grandma or "auntie" take care of the teen moms babies and can collect several thousand a month. I found it baffling why so many kids don't live with their parents (who are alive and in the area) and this is why. I don't know how rampant the abuse is, but it's a well-known lifestyle in my community. And perfectly legal.

6 kids at $1000 a month (tax free?) . Rental assistance. Food stamps. Medicare. Why work?

I believe that welfare and social services should provide basic needs. Not cable. Not cell phones. And not $72,000 a year.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

yeah punk - go right ahead and take others to task for their circumstances while you welsh on what you owe so everyone else can pick up the tab for you.

What a hypocrite.

Nodog- when a hospital takes an uninsured patient- they jack the prices up on them. I paid exactly what they would have billed insurance for. How is it that this somehow effected you? Would you have been better served if I had insurance that paid the 30k? Fucking fat, stupid lesbians...

 

[Ravi]

People that do have insurance pay out of pocket what ever the insurance doesn't pay. Any way you look at it...

ThePukingPunk is a fraud.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

yeah punk - go right ahead and take others to task for their circumstances while you welsh on what you owe so everyone else can pick up the tab for you.

What a hypocrite.

I am guessin you will fail to respond in a measningful way.

 

[Nosmo King]

Nobody pays me to solve the problems you have created in your own life. But I will, for the price of 100 bucks an hour.

I didn't create these problems! If it were up to me, we would still have steel mills here producing a vital strategic resource! We would still have young people here starting their own families with an eye to the future. We would still maintain the standard of living which made America the envy of the world.

I didn't create any of the problems we suffer from. Kowtowing to Capitalists created them.

Right. The problems in your life are not of your making. An attitude like that should go a long way in helping you resolve those problems.

You actually believe that entire communities can be devastated and essentially abandoned because some steel workers decided to ship their place of employment off to Asia? That entire communities can be stripped of employers because the workers got "greedy"? That I and others like me decided that work and community and future are just frivolous ideas we could just as soon do without?

Think beyond your own circumstance. Quit giving us evidence that Conservatives are short sighted and myopic and motivated by screwing others just to feather their own nests.