Penalty for not buying insurance.

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  1. emilynghiem
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    Let's try this approach Penelope
    the way you wouldn't want to be FORCED to join any "Christian Healing crap"
    other people don't want to be FORCED to join a federal registry for insurance YOU believe in.

    All I'm asking is equal protection of free choice in both cases.

    If you want free choice, can you understand other people want free choice also.
    NOT federal mandates that penalize people for paying for health care other ways.

    If you want to reserve and enforce your own right to free choice,
    can we agree that other people of other beliefs deserve the same protection of free choice?
    Penelope

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    1. nobody is forcing YOU to change your beliefs or join any Christian institution against your free choice.
    The point is NOT to force this on anyone through federal govt.
    And applying that same principle to not forcing anyone to believe in govt health insurance either
    or force them to join that or face PENALTIES/fines if they don't comply.

    2. Spiritual healing doesn't even work unless it's undertaken by free choice.
    So what you are saying is self-contradictory.
    You cannot force anyone to take on or change their faith, because if it is coerced it isn't real faith, it's fake.

    Only you can decide or choose to be open that some forms of SPIRITUAL HEALING
    have been documented by medical science to work effectively. And this is NOT the
    same thing as false/fake faith healing that is forced and fails, and becomes dangerous and deadly.

    What gets me Penelope is that you understand NOT to force Christian beliefs on people.
    But when it comes to your own political beliefs, you think you have the right to use govt to force that belief on others against their will and beliefs.

    Why the double standard?
     
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    Self inflicted brought on by power of persuasion.
     
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    Because car insurance pays this Obama care you have to pay for it and still pay the bill until you've met an outrageous deductible
     
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    Enough with the quack therapy on a public forum.
    1.) Just say no to drugs, and stop blaming the victim.
    2.) The abuse never stops until the gun rights are restored.
     
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    ??? justinacolmena

    1a " quack" or fraudulent "faith healing is NOT what I mean here.
    "Quack science" and fraud is totally OPPOSITE of spiritual healing that is natural, free and voluntary, effective and proven to work consistently with science and medicine.

    1b. No, it does not blame the victim. Blame, guilt and fear block healing. Healing works by removing these barriers of guilt, fear, shame and any other negative factors keeping someone trapped in the past so they don't move forward. By breaking the cycle of blame and shame, that's how the healing is able to help victims of rape abuse addiction etc.
    You don't heal victims of rape by blaming them. Nor with people affected by addiction or disorders.

    1c Not everyone can say no to drugs if they are sick with addiction or compulsion. Again the spiritual healing process has been used to help people break free when they lost their minds, will and ability to choose better. So this is what I've referred and recommended who could not say no to self destructive patterns stemming from past issues. This was NOT about blaming the victim but breaking free from that blame holding them back. This spiritual healing saved at least 2 friends who were seriously and dangerously addicted. Many others also benefited after I referred them but weren't at as much risk of danger or dying. After they restored their natural willpower, then they could comply with better health advise and medical assistance. This does NOT replace reject or negate medical treatment and procedures, but facilitates all levels of healing and treatment and thus reduces the costs of time and resources by expediting the recovery process naturally.

    2. As for gun rights being restored, by the time we all agree to respect each other's rights to respective political beliefs, this will solve the problems with defending rights to guns or to health care without abusing them or imposing them on others in ways that aren't Constitutional.

    By the time we solve one conflict over policy, the same understanding and solution will apply to other political problems as well.
    The same dynamics causing people to fear and NOT respect each other's beliefs and free will as "equal"
    (as we see with people competing over gun rights, right to health care, right to marriage and other beliefs for which they bully and abuse each other)
    are related to the abusive mentality and behavior behind drug addictions and criminal violations against others.

    That dynamic needs to change, both individually and in relations between people and also collective groups.
    Once we make this connection, between our individual mindsets, our relations and collective influence on society,
    we will be better able to address the root causes of both political abuses and criminal violence
    and quit fighting over problems and symptoms after the fact.

    We won't stop until we get to the root of it, and we'll discover it's connected to solving other problem areas at the same time.

    Changing how we approach and fund medical and mental health education and resources will
     
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    I'm old enough to remember when the corrupt piece of shit politicians made auto insurance mandatory by law via threat of violence. Suddenly, auto insurance rates doubled. So did the salaries of the CEO's of insurance companies. What a coincidence.
     
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    People want to see this kind of regulation as government "reigning in business". All-too-often it winds up as business using government to reign in customers.
     
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    Thank you dblack
    But more than that, they abuse govt contracts and authorization to abuse "customers" in turn.
    Look at public school and public housing: if something goes wrong, people have to sue govt to correct it. And the govt claims immunity and uses PUBLIC resources to defend that side legally.
    How can you expect to afford to win a lawsuit if taxpayers have to cover legal expenses for BOTH SIDES?

    Liberal Democrats imagine that running things through govt gives people control to make sure it works and covers everyone equally as the default public authority and institution required to provide equal rights. But in practice it just makes taxpayers have to pay for everything whether or not it works. There's no inventive to make sure it does because contractors get their money and it's too hard to sue or force them to change _ because the convoluted legal and legislative process takes years to get anything done if it can be at all!
     
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    Do not force us to pay for that medieval European torture which masquerades as "medicine" with the force of "law" in the area of psychiatry, psychology, forced psychotropic medication, denial of civil rights and jobs, "counseling" and "therapy" under the order of a fraudulent court, and forcible and unnecessary hospitalization.

    The docs are FIRED, and it's time to make a bonfire out of their medical school diplomas, all their insurance coding and billing, the faudulent prescriptions, and all the paperwork they file in court.

    Someday they will be brought to justice for all the unnecessary surgeries, amputations, and other harm they inflict needlessly on their patients.
     

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