Pax Americana

[Mac1958]

Being the richest and most powerful nation on the planet

That's it? We're bigger and richer than others, so we can just do as we please?

Holy crap.

And we act surprised when we learn some people hate us.

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Yes, they hate us simply because we're rich and powerful -- and being pussies won't make them like us.

It's like trying to communicate with Ahmadinejad. What's the point?

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[Dot Com]

After much consideration over the latter part of my adult life, I am now a firm believer that it in is the best interest of the USA to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us. To ignore an area, to let them to their own devices is the height of foolishness and downright dangerous to us.

Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy. I was taught that is was inappropriate for us to flex our power, that George Washington warned us about foreign intervention. We were a weak sister then and were better off not tangling with France or England. Today, France and England both rest comfortably knowing that the firepower aboard a single US Aircraft Carrier can destroy the entire armored strength of the USSR without resorting to nuclear weapons.

Rome never had any qualms about letting its neighbors know who had the big stick. When an area became of interest and importance, the Legions were dispatched. Once subdued and under Roman rule, they prospered from trade and protection. The Germanic Barbarians in the North were never subdued and they lived worse than pigs. The civilized world knew true peace because the leader was not afraid to let the world know it was a safe and dependable leader, it should be no different today.

another "police the world"/"budget-busting" conservative

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Precisely what gives us the right "to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us", especially when this exercise affects the affairs of another sovereign country?

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Same thing that gave Rome that right

That is might makes right and its corollary the end justifies the means.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually, I think Frank is pulling our chain....

No, not this time.

The absolute fucking disaster in the Middle East clarified it perfectly for me

 

[G.T.]

Yea, forgot about that.....................where do we get the money?

 

[ekrem]

After much consideration over the latter part of my adult life, I am now a firm believer that it in is the best interest of the USA to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us. To ignore an area, to let them to their own devices is the height of foolishness and downright dangerous to us.

Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy. I was taught that is was inappropriate for us to flex our power, that George Washington warned us about foreign intervention. We were a weak sister then and were better off not tangling with France or England. Today, France and England both rest comfortably knowing that the firepower aboard a single US Aircraft Carrier can destroy the entire armored strength of the USSR without resorting to nuclear weapons.

Rome never had any qualms about letting its neighbors know who had the big stick. When an area became of interest and importance, the Legions were dispatched. Once subdued and under Roman rule, they prospered from trade and protection. The Germanic Barbarians in the North were never subdued and they lived worse than pigs. The civilized world knew true peace because the leader was not afraid to let the world know it was a safe and dependable leader, it should be no different today.

The kind of influence you describe your father already had.
USA had its golden-age after WW2 and it lasted for some decades.
The difference between you and your father is, that you can't sustain your father's mindset without debts, which you have to take (increasingly) from foreign nations you aspire to control.

You didn't work hard enough.
Here, something for your leisure time:

[ame=http://www.amazon.de/ACTIVISION-Rome-Total-War/dp/B00009P51J]Amazon | Rome: Total War[/ame]

 

[G.T.]

Actually, I think Frank is pulling our chain....

No, not this time.

The absolute fucking disaster in the Middle East clarified it perfectly for me

The middle east has been going on like this for how long now?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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Precisely what gives us the right "to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us", especially when this exercise affects the affairs of another sovereign country?

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Same thing that gave Rome that right

That is might makes right and its corollary the end justifies the means.

There's a risk in that, sure. It's a question of the personality and goals of the leaders. As long as they are more like Augustus than Stalin, it works well for everyone

 

[Shelzin]

Actually, I think Frank is pulling our chain....

That was my exact thought. I mean I started out thinking... What the hell??? And then when Rome was brought up... It's almost got to be satire.

 

[BreezeWood]

"Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy"

are you being serious - unlike Roma, our Military is under civilian control - is that what you are objecting to - if taught not to fire on our own citizens why would you teach them to fire on anyone else.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Actually, I think Frank is pulling our chain....

No, not this time.

The absolute fucking disaster in the Middle East clarified it perfectly for me

The middle east has been going on like this for how long now?

If you watch current events the ME is spiraling out of control. Nothing good comes letting the Islamists see us disrespect our only ally in the region.

 

[Full-Auto]

After much consideration over the latter part of my adult life, I am now a firm believer that it in is the best interest of the USA to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us. To ignore an area, to let them to their own devices is the height of foolishness and downright dangerous to us.

Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy. I was taught that is was inappropriate for us to flex our power, that George Washington warned us about foreign intervention. We were a weak sister then and were better off not tangling with France or England. Today, France and England both rest comfortably knowing that the firepower aboard a single US Aircraft Carrier can destroy the entire armored strength of the USSR without resorting to nuclear weapons.

Rome never had any qualms about letting its neighbors know who had the big stick. When an area became of interest and importance, the Legions were dispatched. Once subdued and under Roman rule, they prospered from trade and protection. The Germanic Barbarians in the North were never subdued and they lived worse than pigs. The civilized world knew true peace because the leader was not afraid to let the world know it was a safe and dependable leader, it should be no different today.

World domination only ends one way............BADLY

You are suggesting to deprive others of their liberty, for your safety.


Really dude??????

 

[1ManRev]

Mossadeq is a perfect example of why we must act to protect our interests. He was a Socialist who nationalized the oil industry and the CIA coup against him failed

So how has letting the Islamist run Iran been working for us?

1) Socialism is against U.S interests? If Romney gets elected, someone might want to tell him to bomb Europe, a chunk of South America, among others.

2) The CIA coup failed? What history book have you been reading?

I'm seriously beginning to believe you're a liberal posing as a conservative to make the right look stupid(er).

 

[G.T.]

No, not this time.

The absolute fucking disaster in the Middle East clarified it perfectly for me

The middle east has been going on like this for how long now?

If you watch current events the ME is spiraling out of control. Nothing good comes letting the Islamists see us disrespect our only ally in the region.

It's been spiraling out of cntrol for how long? Or, are you using selective partisan memory?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy"

are you being serious - unlike Roma, our Military is under civilian control - is that what you are objecting to - if taught not to fire on our own citizens why would you teach them to fire on anyone else.

Our military is under civilian control means exactly what in 2012?

 

[JWBooth]

Still ain't buying it...too many years reading his posts... Except for the fact that Frank has a working knowledge of grammar, spelling, and punctuation I could almost swear that this is a thanatos rant.

Yet, assuming for the moment that you are serious and truthful, how do you propose to pay for this world domination plan?
When everybody else rebels, who will be left to be on our side?
What are your plans for those of us who refuse to put up our progeny for this little adventure?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The middle east has been going on like this for how long now?

If you watch current events the ME is spiraling out of control. Nothing good comes letting the Islamists see us disrespect our only ally in the region.

It's been spiraling out of cntrol for how long? Or, are you using selective partisan memory?

It's actually been relatively under control since 1967 when our allies, with our help, destroyed the military forces of three separate countries.

There's nothing partisan about that.

It started getting out of control after 1993 when there were no real consequences to trying to kill 30,000 of us by toppling the WTC

 

[BreezeWood]

"Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy"

are you being serious - unlike Roma, our Military is under civilian control - is that what you are objecting to - if taught not to fire on our own citizens why would you teach them to fire on anyone else.

Our military is under civilian control means exactly what in 2012?

we are a democratic society for one - with a slim chance for some to chose the plow rather than a sward.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Still ain't buying it...too many years reading his posts... Except for the fact that Frank has a working knowledge of grammar, spelling, and punctuation I could almost swear that this is a thanatos rant.

Yet, assuming for the moment that you are serious and truthful, how do you propose to pay for this world domination plan?
When everybody else rebels, who will be left to be on our side?
What are your plans for those of us who refuse to put up our progeny for this little adventure?

It's actually relatively cheap, and much cheaper than the cluster fuck we're heading into.

I'm talking about a world where someone like the Shah is back in Iran and someone like Mubarak is back in Egypt.

What does that cost?

 

[Dot Com]

After much consideration over the latter part of my adult life, I am now a firm believer that it in is the best interest of the USA to exercise some degree of control and influence over any part of the world that is of interest to us. To ignore an area, to let them to their own devices is the height of foolishness and downright dangerous to us.

Our government was modeled Rome, so should our military strategy. I was taught that is was inappropriate for us to flex our power, that George Washington warned us about foreign intervention. We were a weak sister then and were better off not tangling with France or England. Today, France and England both rest comfortably knowing that the firepower aboard a single US Aircraft Carrier can destroy the entire armored strength of the USSR without resorting to nuclear weapons.

Rome never had any qualms about letting its neighbors know who had the big stick. When an area became of interest and importance, the Legions were dispatched. Once subdued and under Roman rule, they prospered from trade and protection. The Germanic Barbarians in the North were never subdued and they lived worse than pigs. The civilized world knew true peace because the leader was not afraid to let the world know it was a safe and dependable leader, it should be no different today.

The kind of influence you describe your father already had.
USA had its golden-age after WW2 and it lasted for some decades.
The difference between you and your father is, that you can't sustain your father's mindset without debts, which you have to take (increasingly) from foreign nations you aspire to control.

You didn't work hard enough.
Here, something for your leisure time:

[ame=http://www.amazon.de/ACTIVISION-Rome-Total-War/dp/B00009P51J]Amazon | Rome: Total War[/ame]

yep. There were decent/lucrative, blue-collar, jobs post- WWII up until the 1970's when people like Romney started being "efficiency experts" for investors & finding the cheapest labor there was to produce goods & resulting in out-sourcing of those blue-collar jobs. That was an astounding revenue base, the likes of which we aren't to see again in the near future. Frank57 should vote Democrat this coming election.