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The funny thing is the liberals nitpick the Dependency part, because they refuse to admit their dependency.
The trouble is that is simply not true as our healthcare situation demonstrates all too clearly. The divide between rich and poor is the critical piece, that along with the loss of American values under republican rule (after 911) should be a concern for all. Democracy, freedom, liberty cannot survive in a society of rich and all others. Dependency would need some proof.
http://www.aarp.org/issues/dividedwefail/
You want proof of dependency? That's ANOTHER rich one. Anything the government GIVES anyone that they do not earn yet believe they are entitled to is pretty clear cut. There is no better example than people staring at a Cat 5 Hurricane like deer in the headlights because Big Brother doesn't show and lead them by the hand to safety.
Republican values are sect like today and your reply demonstrates that clearly. Taxes being the biggest doctrine = taxes are your Sin, a limiting concept to say the least. I recently heard a Black man discussing Katrina since you show that common 'it's their fault' race welfare mentality bent in your reply. Asked if it was about race he noted rather it was about incompetence as the same thing happened in South Florida after Andrew. And these are people who were told over and over and over again about hurricanes (in both places) and they never had to leave before so why would they this time with no place to go. You exhibit the typical republican elitist subtle racism in your comment.
Republican values are sect like today and your reply demonstrates that clearly. I don't understand your "sect" reference. Are you attempting to use it in the same vein as some would the word "cult"?Originally Posted by GunnyL
You want proof of dependency? That's ANOTHER rich one. Anything the government GIVES anyone that they do not earn yet believe they are entitled to is pretty clear cut. There is no better example than people staring at a Cat 5 Hurricane like deer in the headlights because Big Brother doesn't show and lead them by the hand to safety.
Taxes being the biggest doctrine = taxes are your Sin, a limiting concept to say the least. Please elaborate on this. Are you saying that taxes are a punishment of some sort?
I recently heard a Black man discussing Katrina since you show that common 'it's their fault' race welfare mentality bent in your reply. Completely wrong. His response can only be construed as racism if you are predisposed to come to that conclusion.
Asked if it was about race he noted rather it was about incompetence as the same thing happened in South Florida after Andrew. Not entirely incorrect. Competence, beginning at the city level, was lacking to be sure. In Florida, one did not hear about the displaced defrauding the .gov, squandering the charitable distributions on frivolities, nor if memory serves beginning crime waves that could be directly proven to have origins in the displaced community.
And these are people who were told over and over and over again about hurricanes (in both places) and they never had to leave before so why would they this time with no place to go. There is always some place to go. "Away" comes to mind. NOLA is literally under sea level. Thus the danger is greater and those who didn't leave were either stupid or dependent. Pick one.
You exhibit the typical republican elitist subtle racism in your comment. I'm afraid that your comment exhibits the typical "liberal" elitist subtle condescension and smug "know-it-all" air of assumed superiority.
Republican values are sect like today and your reply demonstrates that clearly. Taxes being the biggest doctrine = taxes are your Sin, a limiting concept to say the least. I recently heard a Black man discussing Katrina since you show that common 'it's their fault' race welfare mentality bent in your reply. Asked if it was about race he noted rather it was about incompetence as the same thing happened in South Florida after Andrew. And these are people who were told over and over and over again about hurricanes (in both places) and they never had to leave before so why would they this time with no place to go. You exhibit the typical republican elitist subtle racism in your comment.
You people make me sick.........
Midcan. Your post is at odds with what I have read of you elsewhere. Quite honestly I think you may've been a bit off your stride.
Taxes are not a doctrine. Taxes are a means by which the US government legally steals from us. In any other scenario, in this nation and most other nations, if you just take what is not yours from someone who has earned it, it's called theft. That is fact based on logic, not some political idealism.
What makes you sick is a different point of view, sorry but as an American we have that right, You may want to try China or Iran.
Check out "The Big Con," by Jonathan Chait if you have time. p256 if you are in bookstore for a idea of what I am getting at. By sect I mean republicans have a set of values that are written in stone and cannot be challenged, witness McSame's flip flop on 'Taxes.' If you challenge the sect's doctrines you are excommunicated. McSame was excommunicated and still is for some but he is worshiping at the republican church now.
Let me just examine that single line. 'Steals' what does that mean? The sect's ideas are so deeply ingrained you are unaware you are repeating them. I'm not sure how we maintain society without taxes so I'm sorta at a loss, unless of course you've now joined that other sect, Libertarianism, where the market magically creates things. If we don't support the infrastructure we rely on to live we will have a real disaster.
... unless of course you've now joined that other sect, Libertarianism, where the market magically creates things. If we don't support the infrastructure we rely on to live we will have a real disaster.
What this reply demonstrates clearly is that you really don't know what you are talking about. I am not a Republican, have never claimed to be, nor have I ever claimed to posess Republican values/ideals.
Taxes are not a doctrine. Taxes are a means by which the US government legally steals from us. In any other scenario, in this nation and most other nations, if you just take what is not yours from someone who has earned it, it's called theft. That is fact based on logic, not some political idealism.
That's right, pull out that race card. What bullshit. I could care less what color the people are and made no mention of it. Being too dumb to get out from in front of a Cat 5 hurricane isn't limited to a specific skin color. It's limited to a mentality where people have been taught to rely so much on the government to nanny them along that it's destroyed their instinct for self-survival.
Oh, since I lived in Miami and the Fla Keys growing up for close on 13 years, not to mention the typhoons I went through in Okinawa, do save the lecture on hurricanes.
People still in posession of their self-defense mechanism in places subject to hurricanes keep a nice little stock of canned goods, water, batteries, etc during hurricane season, and when it is apparent you're going to take it up the bobo you take said bobo to a shelter, or out of Dodge, if possible.
I know blacks, hispanics and whites smart enough to do the above and I saw blacks, hispanics and whites too stupid to follow those basic, common sense precautions so save your race card for where it might actually apply, huh?
I'm not sure how we maintain society without taxes so I'm sorta at a loss
We don't need anywhere near the size government we have, it does not need to prop up those that won't do for themselves (note that I said "won't" not "can't") to the extent that it does, nor does it need to blow money I earn with MY sweat on pork barrel crap they aren't brave enough to put out in the open; rather, hide it under other legislation.
You're at a loss because you do not have the intelligence to continue.
Our country survived from 1789-1913 without an income tax. To suggest there is no way to "maintain society" without income taxes is just plain ignorant of history.
Sure, and you show me a well run modern state that does not have taxes. And while you're at it show me one with low taxes that is doing well.
N.H. budget cuts similar to those in other states
March 18, 2008
By Norma Love Associated Press
CONCORD, N.H. — The budget cuts New Hampshire made last month because of the worsening economy are similar to those made by many other states, a review by The Associated Press shows.
Health care spending, a prime target for states cutting their budgets this year, accounted for $7 million of the $50 million in cuts New Hampshire imposed on Feb. 22.
Hiring has been another popular target here and in other states. In New Hampshire, Gov. John Lynch and lawmakers have frozen most hiring that depends on general tax revenue until July 2009, along with out-of-state travel and equipment purchases.
The hiring freeze does not apply to direct care, custodial care or law enforcement positions, and agencies can ask for exemptions.
To avoid a deficit, Lynch and lawmakers also took money that agencies had set aside in surplus accounts, such as a fund used to produce license plates. Programs slow to spend their money, such as a new cancer prevention program, also were targeted.
So far, no state employees have been laid off and no one has proposed increasing taxes.
Cuts targeting health care were no surprise in New Hampshire or elsewhere, as health care is a major portion of state spending. Some $22 million was cut from New Hampshire's Department of Health and Human Services — the state's largest department.
That included $7 million in payments to hospitals for patients receiving Medicaid, state-federal health care for the poor and disabled. The impact of the cut is deeper when the loss of matching federal funding is taken into account.
The state and its hospitals have been working out the details, and it's unclear exactly who will be affected. But John Wallace, New Hampshire's associate health and human services commissioner, hopes patients will not be.
"It would affect people only if the hospitals decided not to serve someone," he said.
The hospitals are not suggesting that. Instead, the cost most likely will be shifted to paying patients.
Lynch's goal was to have larger, more profitable hospitals absorb most of the cuts, sparing smaller northern hospitals that are struggling financially.
The $50 million cut from general spending is about 1 percent of this year's $5.1 billion state budget. A second round of cuts for the year beginning July 1 may be twice as deep to deal with the worsening economy.
Despite a spate of bad news for the national economy, that assessment of the state's finances has not changed in the past several weeks, Lynch spokesman Colin Manning said Monday.
Lynch is working on cuts to next year's budget based on a projected revenue shortfall of perhaps $95 million. Some of this year's savings could help close the anticipated gap in next year's budget.
The state also has $89 million in a savings account to deal with economic downturns and a $33 million surplus from the last budget.
New Hampshire faced much deeper cuts in the late 1980s and early 1990s during the last real estate market bust. Over the course of several years, a number of banks failed, and Public Service Company of New Hampshire declared bankruptcy under the weight of building the Seabrook nuclear power nuclear plant.
Lawmakers were forced to cut spending repeatedly as revenue estimates missed targets month after month.
This year's cut is in line with adjustments made through executive orders by past governors, according to the New Hampshire Center for Public Policy Studies.
The state relies on a hodgepodge of business and sin taxes to pay its bills. So far this year, business taxes are doing as expected, but the state anticipates taking a hit next year. During recessions, there is a lag in the impact due to the timing of business tax payments.
Not surprisingly, given the housing market crisis, the tax falling the most below projections is the one on property sales. Taxes on tobacco, interest, dividends, liquor, renting rooms, restaurant meals and insurance also all are expected to underperform. Some of that is due to New Hampshire's reliance on nonresidents to take advantage of cheaper tobacco and liquor prices. Some would-be visitors are expected to stay home because of high gas prices.
Susan Almy, chairwoman of the House Ways and Means Committee, says economists have told her committee to expect a modest recovery to start next year, though some forecasts are more pessimistic.
"The economists appear to be as incapable as I am of figuring things out," she said Monday.
This year's budget cuts included:
— $3.3 million from surpluses at the Department of Education in programs for vocational students, severely disabled students, adult education and students placed in special programs by courts.
— $2 million from the $96 million in state aid paid to the University System of New Hampshire.
— $1.7 million from the New Hampshire Cancer Plan, leaving $250,000 for prevention and detection programs. Peter Ames of the American Cancer Society estimated hundreds of people will not be screened as a result.
— $1 million from the $33 million community technical college budget.
— $500,000 of the $6 million allocated for land conservation.
Lynch has proposed another $3 million in spending cuts from the courts and the Legislature but needs legislation to do it.
Yes, but Bush and the republicans are the ones who have grown government so you'll need to adjust your biases and stop picking on those tax and spend liberals.
Sure, and you show me a well run modern state that does not have taxes. And while you're at it show me one with low taxes that is doing well.
