Paul Says U.S. 'Slipping Into A Fascist System'...

[JWBooth]

Slipping?? Nah... Racing headlong would be a lot more accurate...

Shit, should have read the thread before posting....

 

[The T]

Of course, many of us see little more selfish than insolent pushy little snots, who seek to impose their mores upon everybody else.

Come to think of it, isn't that what selfish, insolent, pushy little snots like you regularly accuse others of?

Given that you routinely support candidates who get single digit support among normal Americans,

I think the question has already been settled.

The candidates that I support aren't at issue here, your brand of insolent, snotty selfishness is....And given that your particular mindset is only shared by 20% of the population, at best, you're hardly in any position to claim membership in any kind of a majority.

His attitude is like most lefties here on these boards and in the population...vain and arrogant.

 

[Oddball]

As long as you reject the idea of anyone having any obligation of any sort to community, to the common good, to national unity, etc.,

then of course you can value your own individual selfish 'liberty' above all else.

Right...Your nebulous, subjective socialist trance words can beat up everybody elses!

Chomsky you ain't.

Which is more valuable, individual liberty, or an obligation of the individual to involuntarily contribute money to a public institution charged with the construction and maintenance of a public transportation infrastructure?

The words "involuntary" and "contribute" are mutually exclusive...The rest is pure Marxist gibberish.

Like I said, you're no Chomsky.

 

[LibertyForAll]

The military is necessary for the protection of personal liberty. While conscription is a violence against liberty, it may be necessary to protect against greater threats to liberty so it must be endured in times of crisis.

Federal support of roads and transportation infrastructure enhances freedom since it enables trade and ease of travel. There is always the problem of corruption when it comes to large contracts so in the case of an interstate highway I would support the federal government giving money to the states involved to subsidize it but have the individual states manage the construction within their borders.

Of course this is just my opinion and I am not speaking for Ron Paul or the Libertarians.
Small government does not mean no government.

 

[JWBooth]

As long as you reject the idea of anyone having any obligation of any sort to community, to the common good, to national unity, etc.,

then of course you can value your own individual selfish 'liberty' above all else.

Ridiculous!

Which is more valuable, individual liberty, or the right of the federal government to conscript citizens into the military for the purpose of national defense?

The state always requires a readily available force of men under arms to enforce it's will - either in the larger world or domestically to protect itself from the inevitable dissident.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Right...Your nebulous, subjective socialist trance words can beat up everybody elses!

Chomsky you ain't.

Which is more valuable, individual liberty, or an obligation of the individual to involuntarily contribute money to a public institution charged with the construction and maintenance of a public transportation infrastructure?

The words "involuntary" and "contribute" are mutually exclusive...The rest is pure Marxist gibberish.

Like I said, you're no Chomsky.

Which is more valuable, individual liberty, or an obligation of the individual involuntarily PAY money to a public institution charged with the construction and maintenance of a public transportation infrastructure?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of course, many of us see little more selfish than insolent pushy little snots, who seek to impose their mores upon everybody else.

Come to think of it, isn't that what selfish, insolent, pushy little snots like you regularly accuse others of?

Given that you routinely support candidates who get single digit support among normal Americans,

I think the question has already been settled.

The candidates that I support aren't at issue here, your brand of insolent, snotty selfishness is....And given that your particular mindset is only shared by 20% of the population, at best, you're hardly in any position to claim membership in any kind of a majority.

Since I always score slightly left of center on left/right issue tests, I am well within the majority.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why this question? We have an all volunteer military.

Should there ever come a time that the draft is reinstated I will support it. Unless, of course, they're looking for troops to oppress our own citizens.

Okay, so agree that valuing individual liberty above all else is idiocy.

That was my point.

No, I don't agree. Neither does our Constitution. It enshrines the value of individual liberty, and was written to preserve it in the face of a growing, authoritarian government.

You moron, you just agreed that the right of the government to conscript citizens and send them to die in war was more important than individual liberty,

so you can't possibly also value individual liberty above all else. The two positions are mutually exclusive.

All you value is individual liberty where it suits you, and government power over the individual where that suits you.

 

[Political Junky]

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul warned the U.S. is "slipping into a fascist system" dominated by government and businesses as he held a fiery rally Saturday night upstaging established Republican Party banquets a short distance away.

The Texas congressman drew a couple thousand standing and chanting people to Kansas City's Union Station as the party's establishment dined on steak across the street at the Missouri GOP's annual conference. Kansas Republicans were holding a similar convention in a suburb across the state line.

Paul staged his rally near the nation's World War I museum, asserting that the U.S. got off track about 100 years ago during the era of President Woodrow Wilson, who led the nation through World War I and unsuccessfully advocated for the nation's involvement in a forerunner of the United Nations.

"We've slipped away from a true Republic," Paul said. "Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."

Although campaign aides were aware, Paul told reporters after his speech that he did not know his rally was coinciding with long-established Missouri and Kansas Republican Party events, where Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell—a vice presidential prospect—was the keynote speaker.

Several Republicans slipped away from the banquets to join the Paul rally. Among them was Ralph Munyan, a Republican committeeman in Kansas City's home county, who said he agreed with Paul's warnings of a "fascist system" and his pledge to the end nation's involvement in wars overseas and against drugs.

"His foreign policy is one of peace," Munyan said.

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Paul says US `slipping into a fascist system'
Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Daily Paul

I agree with Ron Paul on this, and I've have said the same thing before.

The father of Fascism said the same thing that Paul just said:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

 

[NYcarbineer]

[The words "involuntary" and "contribute" are mutually exclusive....

You, Mr. Know it all, are illiterate.

con·tri·bu·tion noun \ˌkän-trə-ˈbyü-shən\

Definition of CONTRIBUTION

1: a payment (as a levy or tax) imposed by military, civil, or ecclesiastical authorities usually for a special or extraordinary purpose

Contribution - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Next time out with your single digit stoner pals getting toked up and pretending you're talking deep shit, see if one of them has a vocabulary, and see if maybe he can help you get past the 4th grade.

 

[candycorn]

The next time Ron Paul matters will be the first time he matters. If he really cares that much, he should run for President.

 

[Valox]

And the moderates are taking us there.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Okay, so agree that valuing individual liberty above all else is idiocy.

That was my point.

No, I don't agree. Neither does our Constitution. It enshrines the value of individual liberty, and was written to preserve it in the face of a growing, authoritarian government.

You moron, you just agreed that the right of the government to conscript citizens and send them to die in war was more important than individual liberty,

so you can't possibly also value individual liberty above all else. The two positions are mutually exclusive.

All you value is individual liberty where it suits you, and government power over the individual where that suits you.

Your attempt to put words in my mouth is blatant yet unsuccessful. You tried to make me agree to an absolute of YOUR choosing, highlighted above, when I said no such thing. I don't play those kind of semantic games, but I'm not surprised that you do. I should have known better than to respond to your bait.

You also try to commit me to your absolute in your second response. I value individual liberty to the utmost, within the framework of an operational government. Pragmatically speaking, there may be a time when that individual liberty needs to be subservient to the needs of the nation. This is not to say that government could or should compel military service from someone who claims and proves conscientious objector status, but in defense of the nation it may be necessary to sacrifice that individual liberty to preserve that same liberty for your fellow citizen. So you see, to a thinking man those two things may not be as mutually exclusive as you claim.

Realistically though, as I said previously, our military is all volunteer, and the chances of that changing are so small that your hypothetical situation becomes ridiculous on it's face.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, I don't agree. Neither does our Constitution. It enshrines the value of individual liberty, and was written to preserve it in the face of a growing, authoritarian government.

You moron, you just agreed that the right of the government to conscript citizens and send them to die in war was more important than individual liberty,

so you can't possibly also value individual liberty above all else. The two positions are mutually exclusive.

All you value is individual liberty where it suits you, and government power over the individual where that suits you.

Your attempt to put words in my mouth is blatant yet unsuccessful. You tried to make me agree to an absolute of YOUR choosing, highlighted above, when I said no such thing. I don't play those kind of semantic games, but I'm not surprised that you do. I should have known better than to respond to your bait.

You also try to commit me to your absolute in your second response. I value individual liberty to the utmost, within the framework of an operational government. Pragmatically speaking, there may be a time when that individual liberty needs to be subservient to the needs of the nation. This is not to say that government could or should compel military service from someone who claims and proves conscientious objector status, but in defense of the nation it may be necessary to sacrifice that individual liberty to preserve that same liberty for your fellow citizen. So you see, to a thinking man those two things may not be as mutually exclusive as you claim.

Realistically though, as I said previously, our military is all volunteer, and the chances of that changing are so small that your hypothetical situation becomes ridiculous on it's face.

This was the original statement, aka idiocy, that I responded to:

"Ron Paul has a unique and consistent philosophy that values individual liberty above all else."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ron Paul uses other people's money to run for an office he knows he can't win.

In short, he's playing Fantasy Candidate on a whole bunch of other people's dimes, most of which I'm guessing those people could put to much better use on themselves,

or on their own families.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Ron Paul uses other people's money to run for an office he knows he can't win.

In short, he's playing Fantasy Candidate on a whole bunch of other people's dimes, most of which I'm guessing those people could put to much better use on themselves,

or on their own families.

We are still free enough to decide how to spend our own money are we not?

 

[sealybobo]

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul warned the U.S. is "slipping into a fascist system" dominated by government and businesses

"Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."

Paul says US `slipping into a fascist system'
Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Daily Paul

Instead of arguing about what we disagree on, why don't we focus on what we do agree on. Us liberals agree with Ron Paul that the US is slipping into a facist state dominated by businesses.

It seems to me the only people who deny this are Republicans.

 

[Valox]

Ron Paul uses other people's money to run for an office he knows he can't win.

In short, he's playing Fantasy Candidate on a whole bunch of other people's dimes, most of which I'm guessing those people could put to much better use on themselves,

or on their own families.

Are you an immigrant? This is how American elections work. If you don't like how other people freely choose to support their candidate, then perhaps you should go back to your homeland.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul warned the U.S. is "slipping into a fascist system" dominated by government and businesses

"Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."

Paul says US `slipping into a fascist system'
Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Daily Paul

Instead of arguing about what we disagree on, why don't we focus on what we do agree on. Us liberals agree with Ron Paul that the US is slipping into a facist state dominated by businesses.

It seems to me the only people who deny this are Republicans.

The deniers are those NeoCons who are cheering for the Fascist state, those Republicans who are not yet objecting to it remain, for the most part, blissfully unaware.

The reason for this ignorant bliss, you ask?

 

[GuyPinestra]

Ron Paul uses other people's money to run for an office he knows he can't win.

In short, he's playing Fantasy Candidate on a whole bunch of other people's dimes, most of which I'm guessing those people could put to much better use on themselves,

or on their own families.

Are you an immigrant? This is how American elections work. If you don't like how other people freely choose to support their candidate, then perhaps you should go back to your homeland.

He can't. The Wizard of Oz deported him.