Paul Ryan - Not even a good liar.

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Laura D'Andrea Tyson: Evidence vs. Ideology in the Medicare Debate - NYTimes.com

Mitt Romney characterizes the $716 billion of Medicare savings over the next 10 years, contained in the Affordable Care Act, as President Obama’s “raid” on the Medicare program to pay for his health care program. This fear-mongering is simply untrue. These savings result from reforms to slow the growth of Medicare spending per enrollee – there are no cuts in Medicare benefits.

The reforms include both voluntary and mandatory changes in how providers deliver health care to promote better care coordination at lower cost, reward the quality and outcomes of services rather than their volume and reduce fraud and abuse.

For example, the law fosters the creation of accountable-care organizations, i.e., groups of providers willing to accept a flat fee for the integrated care provided to their Medicare patients. Accountable-care organizations represent a major step away from the unsustainable fee-for-service model that rewards the number of procedures rather than the quality of care.

Health experts believe that these organizations will significantly improve care and lower costs not just in Medicare but throughout the health care system. This belief is based on evidence, not ideology.

Medicare beneficiaries will also benefit from reforms that penalize hospitals for preventable re-admissions reflecting complications from previous procedures and that require hospitals to post their rates of medical errors, with penalties for those with the highest rates.

Are you trying to claim that Obama didn't raid Medicare to pay for Obamacare for the first 10 years?


Is there any lie you will not tell?

No, he didn't raid anything. He found 716B in savings.

I remember when Republicans supported efforts to reduce costs.

 

[Wry Catcher]

And when those cuts are implemented, the services to the medicare patients will suffer....How so? Be specific. so those cuts will directly affect the users of medicare. (Again, do you believe doctors will withhold treatment to the aged - as insurance companies have in the past?)

Dont you get it? Of course thats where the cuts are coming from. Where else would they come from? Thats what cuts are all about....they will be paying less for the services.

Jeez...see hoiw trhey spun their response? They are saying "those cuts are coming from what we pay for the services and that is not a bad thing"

And they have you typing it out on a forum....like it is something special.

Pathetic.

Cutting payments to providers will require providers to do what the right demands of government - cut out the fat. Ever look at an itemized bill from a hospital?

Sure have.

And they are rediculous.

Yet.....hospitals suffer financially.....so as rediculouis as they may seem to be....they are substantiated as hospitals are by no means flowing ion cash.

But hospitals and doctors are not the only providers.

VNS....DME....HME....just to name a few....

Ever seen the salary(s) of hospital administrators? The cost by ambulance per mile? Ridiculous doesn't half describe it. How about the practices of private for-profit hospitals? See:

For-profit hospitals performing more C-sections | California Watch

 

[buckeye45_73]

Oh, and he once again Flat out lied about the GM plant closure.

How did he lie?

CNN Fact Check: Did Ryan get Obama's GM speech right? - CNN.com

 

[buckeye45_73]

Cutting payments to providers will require providers to do what the right demands of government - cut out the fat. Ever look at an itemized bill from a hospital?

Sure have.

And they are rediculous.

Yet.....hospitals suffer financially.....so as rediculouis as they may seem to be....they are substantiated as hospitals are by no means flowing ion cash.

But hospitals and doctors are not the only providers.

VNS....DME....HME....just to name a few....

Ever seen the salary(s) of hospital administrators? The cost by ambulance per mile? Ridiculous doesn't half describe it. How about the practices of private for-profit hospitals? See:

For-profit hospitals performing more C-sections | California Watch

You know they preform C sections to avoid lawsuits. If everything isnt going well with natural childbirth, they go to the C section bullpen real quickly, because of lawyers........you want less c sections, do tort reform!

 

[SniperFire]

Laura D'Andrea Tyson: Evidence vs. Ideology in the Medicare Debate - NYTimes.com

Are you trying to claim that Obama didn't raid Medicare to pay for Obamacare for the first 10 years?


Is there any lie you will not tell?

No, he didn't raid anything. He found 716B in savings.

I remember when Republicans supported efforts to reduce costs.

ROTFLMAO

So, $716 billion of Medicare monies was not redirected to pay for Obamacare?

 

[Liberal]

Oh, and he once again Flat out lied about the GM plant closure.

No. He didn't. Please refer to my post:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5901203-post30.html

Fact: GM said that it was going to close the plant in June 2008. The ball was set rolling AFTER the speech that Obama made in Janesville Feb 2008.... There was nothing he could have done, the US government did not take a leadership roll in GM, only a majority stake. GM came out of chapter 11 in July 2009 and was focused solely on cutting costs and increasing profits.

Furthermore, Obamas speech never said that he promised to take care of the people.. He was speaking in regards to new standards and indicated the he believed that the government should be there to help them re-tool the plant.

This is the same as saying it is Bush's (43) fault that Bill Clinton did not kill Osama. It was out of his hands...

A grade A non-issue and twisted lie.

 

[8537]

Are you trying to claim that Obama didn't raid Medicare to pay for Obamacare for the first 10 years?


Is there any lie you will not tell?

No, he didn't raid anything. He found 716B in savings.

I remember when Republicans supported efforts to reduce costs.

ROTFLMAO

So, $716 billion of Medicare monies was not redirected to pay for Obamacare?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?

I said they found 716B in savings over ten years.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent in every post you make?

 

[SniperFire]

Oh, and he once again Flat out lied about the GM plant closure.

No. He didn't. Please refer to my post:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5901203-post30.html

Fact: GM said that it was going to close the plant in June 2008. The ball was set rolling AFTER the speech that Obama made in Janesville Feb 2008.... There was nothing he could have done, the US government did not take a leadership roll in GM, only a majority stake. GM came out of chapter 11 in July 2009 and was focused solely on cutting costs and increasing profits.

Furthermore, Obamas speech never said that he promised to take care of the people.. He was speaking in regards to new standards and indicated the he believed that the government should be there to help them re-tool the plant.

This is the same as saying it is Bush's (43) fault that Bill Clinton did not kill Osama. It was out of his hands...

A grade A non-issue and twisted lie.

Brace yourself! This is the place where libtards claim Obama didn't say exactly what he said!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Sure have.

And they are rediculous.

Yet.....hospitals suffer financially.....so as rediculouis as they may seem to be....they are substantiated as hospitals are by no means flowing ion cash.

But hospitals and doctors are not the only providers.

VNS....DME....HME....just to name a few....

Ever seen the salary(s) of hospital administrators? The cost by ambulance per mile? Ridiculous doesn't half describe it. How about the practices of private for-profit hospitals? See:

For-profit hospitals performing more C-sections | California Watch

You know they preform C sections to avoid lawsuits. If everything isnt going well with natural childbirth, they go to the C section bullpen real quickly, because of lawyers........you want less c sections, do tort reform!

LOL, read the link. Then explain the disparity between for-profit and not for profit hospitals on this one issue. Keep in mind, this is not the only procedure exploited by for-profit providers.

The tort reform argument has some basis in fact, but only in terms of the cost of malpractice insurance.

 

[SniperFire]

No, he didn't raid anything. He found 716B in savings.

I remember when Republicans supported efforts to reduce costs.

ROTFLMAO

So, $716 billion of Medicare monies was not redirected to pay for Obamacare?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?

I said they found 716B in savings over ten years.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent in every post you make?

Did they take that Medicare money and do something else with it, or not?

LOL

 

[8537]

ROTFLMAO

So, $716 billion of Medicare monies was not redirected to pay for Obamacare?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?

I said they found 716B in savings over ten years.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent in every post you make?

Did they take that Medicare money and do something else with it, or not?

LOL

They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.

 

[SniperFire]

What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?

I said they found 716B in savings over ten years.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent in every post you make?

Did they take that Medicare money and do something else with it, or not?

LOL

They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.

But they took that 716B OUT OF MEDICARE funding, didn't they?

In fact, they raided it, just like Ryan pointed out.


You have failed again.


LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, with all the hoopla about Ryan's speech, this still remains;

President Obama 332 Governor Romney 206

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

And even in Florida, where the Convention was held, the President still maintains his very slim lead. Not a good sign for the lovers of the Ayn Rand philosophy.

 

[Old Rocks]

Did they take that Medicare money and do something else with it, or not?

LOL

They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.

But they took that 716B OUT OF MEDICARE funding, didn't they?

In fact, they raided it, just like Ryan pointed out.


You have failed again.


LOL

Snippy, no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it still does not become the truth.

 

[8537]

Did they take that Medicare money and do something else with it, or not?

LOL

They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.

But they took that 716B OUT OF MEDICARE funding, didn't they?

No. You act like it's an old pot of money to cover future expenses. They didn't take money "out of" anywhere.

They simply reduced future expenses by 716B - something Republicans used to think was a good idea. To be even more precise, what they actually did is simply reduce the rate of growth of Medicare expenses in future years.

You have failed again.

 

[Wry Catcher]

No. He didn't. Please refer to my post:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5901203-post30.html

Fact: GM said that it was going to close the plant in June 2008. The ball was set rolling AFTER the speech that Obama made in Janesville Feb 2008.... There was nothing he could have done, the US government did not take a leadership roll in GM, only a majority stake. GM came out of chapter 11 in July 2009 and was focused solely on cutting costs and increasing profits.

Furthermore, Obamas speech never said that he promised to take care of the people.. He was speaking in regards to new standards and indicated the he believed that the government should be there to help them re-tool the plant.

This is the same as saying it is Bush's (43) fault that Bill Clinton did not kill Osama. It was out of his hands...

A grade A non-issue and twisted lie.

Brace yourself! This is the place where libtards claim Obama didn't say exactly what he said!

Maybe you're not an unabashed liar, maybe you've been brainwashed and you lack the mental acuity to see beyond the lies and propaganda you parrot.

 

[8537]

Maybe you're not an unabashed liar, maybe you've been brainwashed and you lack the mental acuity to see beyond the lies and propaganda you parrot.

The two are not mutually exclusive, ya know.

 

[SniperFire]

'They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.'


See, cockbreath, all organizations look at ways to find savings on their expenses in future years.

Just because you claim that Medicare found some savings does not distract from the FACT that Obama raided their piggy bank to pay for Obamacare.

 

[SniperFire]

Fact: GM said that it was going to close the plant in June 2008. The ball was set rolling AFTER the speech that Obama made in Janesville Feb 2008.... There was nothing he could have done, the US government did not take a leadership roll in GM, only a majority stake. GM came out of chapter 11 in July 2009 and was focused solely on cutting costs and increasing profits.

Furthermore, Obamas speech never said that he promised to take care of the people.. He was speaking in regards to new standards and indicated the he believed that the government should be there to help them re-tool the plant.

This is the same as saying it is Bush's (43) fault that Bill Clinton did not kill Osama. It was out of his hands...

A grade A non-issue and twisted lie.

Brace yourself! This is the place where libtards claim Obama didn't say exactly what he said!

Maybe you're not an unabashed liar, maybe you've been brainwashed and you lack the mental acuity to see beyond the lies and propaganda you parrot.

That was simply a quote of your heart-throb. Sucks to be you!

 

[8537]

'They found 716B in savings in the Medicare program.'


See, cockbreath, all organizations look at ways to find savings on their expenses in future years.

Indeed! And that's just what happened with Medicare. They reduced the rate of future growth.

Of course, being a fucking moron you assumed that this meant "raiding the piggy bank".

Hint: There's no piggy bank for Medicare.