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Jen,
You are a beautiful person, and you and I, among fortunately most people in my life are truly blessed with your sort of wisdom.
The intensity of this movie deals with sacrifice at a time where capital punishment was rarely arbitrated before imposed. There are people historically, and in our lifetime that have come close to this, to the benefit of countless people. This sort of blind faith is perhaps the only thing that has ensured our existence as decent, loving people. That has endured as the only true obsticle to our self-destruction. No matter who is running the show, the truth always prevails, and those who make a mockery of faith, are simply subjecting themselves and their lives with their own ignorance, selfishness and self-empowered shallow existence.
Anne Marie
HA! yea.. the Marquis de Sade gives it 5 stars.
ANNIE,Jen,
You are a beautiful person, and you and I, among fortunately most people in my life are truly blessed with your sort of wisdom.
The intensity of this movie deals with sacrifice at a time where capital punishment was rarely arbitrated before imposed. There are people historically, and in our lifetime that have come close to this, to the benefit of countless people. This sort of blind faith is perhaps the only thing that has ensured our existence as decent, loving people. That has endured as the only true obsticle to our self-destruction. No matter who is running the show, the truth always prevails, and those who make a mockery of faith, are simply subjecting themselves and their lives with their own ignorance, selfishness and self-empowered shallow existence.
Anne Marie
Wow Anne Marie, thanks! But usually when people think that highly of me they regret it in a few days when they get to know me better, so.........lol, just lettin ya know now, you're probably going to be disappointed in your assessment of me (biting lip) countdown...10, 9, 8
seriously though, thanks for the encouragement. I bet you're a blessing to have as a close friend in real life, encouraging others is a gift God gave some when I wasn't looking and I'm always in awe of those who have it! Bless you!
Jen,
You are a beautiful person, and you and I, among fortunately most people in my life are truly blessed with your sort of wisdom.
The intensity of this movie deals with sacrifice at a time where capital punishment was rarely arbitrated before imposed. There are people historically, and in our lifetime that have come close to this, to the benefit of countless people. This sort of blind faith is perhaps the only thing that has ensured our existence as decent, loving people. That has endured as the only true obsticle to our self-destruction. No matter who is running the show, the truth always prevails, and those who make a mockery of faith, are simply subjecting themselves and their lives with their own ignorance, selfishness and self-empowered shallow existence.
Anne Marie
Wow Anne Marie, thanks! But usually when people think that highly of me they regret it in a few days when they get to know me better, so.........lol, just lettin ya know now, you're probably going to be disappointed in your assessment of me (biting lip) countdown...10, 9, 8
seriously though, thanks for the encouragement. I bet you're a blessing to have as a close friend in real life, encouraging others is a gift God gave some when I wasn't looking and I'm always in awe of those who have it! Bless you!
Heres the think, you silly dogma junkies... Torture and crucifixion wasn't invented during stone age rome. I have no doubt that the man was beaten all to hell. But, it's not as if his treatment was THE WORST to have happened to a human being during the timespan of the planet. I guarantee that WORSE deaths happened at the hand of the Inquisition than happened to Jesus even if the most exaggerated story is believed.
So, it's not like he did anything that more profound than share the experience of being killed.
In fact, the entire premise of the movie hits on a greater criticism I have of you dogma junkies: Your martyr complex. That movie touched you because you will always feel like the eternal victim being tormented by those of this world while you try to deny that you are a part of it.
As if Shadrak, Mishak, Abendigo, Daniel and Jebus make a personal distinction when NONE of you have EVER even REMOTELY understood the persecution of their stories. To be honest, it's this very personal segregation that cripples your ability to express what the MORE IMPORTANT message of jebus was: Salvation through Love rather than validation through mortification.
It's pretty much what makes you the pharisee of your particular brand of faith and why it's so funny to see people call over themselves about the kind of torturefest movie that Saw could look up to.
The Passion wasn't a great movie and it sure as hell didn't convey the type of message that your saviour would have wanted. Hell, look at the giant chasm that separates those who love it from those who are not that impressed. WWJD? Not write a screenplay like the Passion of the Christ.
feel free. You'd not be the first dogma junkie to leap onto a high horse about things like heliocentism and gravity....
you posted what you posted and then accuse me of being on a high horse because I feel sorry for anyone that equates the one with the other?
My empathy is sincere, and I have nothing to be on a high horse about. I just think you're missing out on the most amazing aspect of life on this planet that there is.
If you found something in life that rocked your whole world, someOne that...I tried, I can't even put it into words...and somebody else equated that to fecal matter, would you not be sad that they missed it?
I am, but, I didn't mean it as an insult. Take care
Listen, you won't be the first BELIEVER to throw their faith at something ridiculous. The entire Greek Pantheon waves at people like you. If you think it's the greatest thing in the world then so be it.. But, to me, your pity is like a chair loving amputee feeling sorry for my ability to stand.
But I will keep from trying to hit so hard with my criticism.
I did find the movie eye-opening to what Jesus actually encountered for us believers. The part I found a little over the top was how they portrayed the devil. I didn't think those scenes did anything good for the movie and that's the part I thought was a bit over the top. The treatment they gave Jesus was indeed brutal and even as vivid as the movie portrayed that part of it, the real suffering He encountered could never be matched on screen.
ahh shut up leg humperHeres the think, you silly dogma junkies... Torture and crucifixion wasn't invented during stone age rome. I have no doubt that the man was beaten all to hell. But, it's not as if his treatment was THE WORST to have happened to a human being during the timespan of the planet. I guarantee that WORSE deaths happened at the hand of the Inquisition than happened to Jesus even if the most exaggerated story is believed. So, it's not like he did anything that more profound than share the experience of being killed. In fact, the entire premise of the movie hits on a greater criticism I have of you dogma junkies: Your martyr complex. That movie touched you because you will always feel like the eternal victim being tormented by those of this world while you try to deny that you are a part of it. As if Shadrak, Mishak, Abendigo, Daniel and Jebus make a personal distinction when NONE of you have EVER even REMOTELY understood the persecution of their stories. To be honest, it's this very personal segregation that cripples your ability to express what the MORE IMPORTANT message of jebus was: Salvation through Love rather than validation through mortification. It's pretty much what makes you the pharisee of your particular brand of faith and why it's so funny to see people call over themselves about the kind of torturefest movie that Saw could look up to. The Passion wasn't a great movie and it sure as hell didn't convey the type of message that your saviour would have wanted. Hell, look at the giant chasm that separates those who love it from those who are not that impressed. WWJD? Not write a screenplay like the Passion of the Christ.
the real suffering He encountered could never be matched on screen.
perhaps.. but it CAN, and HAS been matched in real life by people who don't claim to be the son of a god. as if THAT is unique.
Really? Somebody offered up themselves voluntarily to be beaten and scourged to the point of being unrecognizeable and then killed?
And even if so, it can't match what Christ did, because Christ was perfect, without blemish and undeserving of death. I don't think anyone can match what Christ began it with.
HA! yea.. the Marquis de Sade gives it 5 stars.
Hah...! That's good one, Shogun. You are completely right about Christianity's cult of martyrdom, and the titanic violence just under the surface of their "peaceful" dogma.
What does it say about the psyche of believers, when they are transported by the "beauty" of this orgy of suffering? This movie at least is a honest document: it shows how sick, deep down, the Christian religion really is.