paleontology, for those who loves dinosaurs

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    Quote mining (also contextomy) is the fallacious tactic of taking quotes out of context in order to make them seemingly agree with the quote miner's viewpoint or to make the comments of an opponent seem more extreme or hold positions they don't in order to make their positions easier to refute or demonize.[note 1] It's a way of lying.

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    The evidence is we are here. We have not observed anything else besides life begats life. We observe in experiments that proteins can only be formed inside the cell, not outside it. Amino acids form proteins, but they have chirality so they cannot be superimposed upon each other. Shall I go on or are you too thick?

    Please correct me. Do you believe "life begats life" or don't you? How did I distort your meaning?
     
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    Okay, so let's critically examine that pile of shit for a moment.. What we need here is a sample of some actual, pertinent cell biology:
    So what's that have to do with the price of tea in China, you may well ask? It explains why cells organize the way they do. OMG, cells, amino acids, proteins, all evolving to maximize the efficiency of each.. Who coulda guessed it? Who wudda thunk it? The question isn't whether proteins can ever form outside of a cell. Of course they can't.. normally! But have you tried doing it billions of times... over millions of years... in various hot environments.. having all sorts of gases and pressures far outside anything one would ever expect to find outside today? No, you most assuredly have not. So... you really have no fucking clue as to what could or could not be scientifically possible in such conditions. We're simply not technologically advanced enough quite yet to conduct or monitor such vast experiments. Yet here we are. Evidence that it must have happened. Right in your face. But you choose to believe some institutional fairy story instead of the obvious.. Sad.
     
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    Given the general rarity of fossils, fossils showing evolutionary transitions are not at all rare. This can be illustrated with a range of examples, of which the record of hominid fossils is especially striking. The skulls shown below display a clear, smooth transition from the early ancestors of modern humans to the modern form of the human skull. A wag might suggest that there is a gap between each of those fossils, and demand a transitional fossil to fill each such gap. Because this evolutionary sequence is relatively recent, there are enough fossils that we can only show the full transition with graphs like the one below.
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    Transitional Fossils Are Not Rare
     
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    Homo erectus and a modern Eskimo are almost identical aren't they.:cuckoo:

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    more speculation and no proof they gave birth to or morphed into each other,,,

    and what were they before they were these forms???

    arranging pictures on a page is proof of nothing,,,
     
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    I really don't understand how anyone who accepts the creation myth with no evidence at all would expect proof of evolution. Evolution is a scientific theory which can never be proved, no matter how much evidence exists because it's a theory which is ever changing as more evidence is found. The creation myth is so preposterous, you can't defend it so you attack the only theory that is supported by any real evidence.
     
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    who said I believe the creation myth/theory???

    so lets stick to the facts and what we know and not some pictures randomly put on a page,,,

    like I said there is zero proof any of the skulls represent the evolution of man because all we know is something died and not if it morphed or gave birth to anything other than its kind,,,
    and what did they look like before they looked like that???

    at least the creationist base it on faith because its a religion,,,
    whats the evo excuse??? they do push it as fact and attack anyone that questions it,,,all while using tax payer money,,,

    let me ask you
    does this represent the evo of horses???


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    Oh, well then,allow me to clarify.

    They aren't actually asking for proof, argument, or evidence of evolution for their consideration; no would they give them any honest consideration, if you did the work of compiling it all and presenting it to them.

    As i am sure you are starting to notice.

    They will reject all of it for no good reason and continue to claim there exists no evidence or good argument for evolution. And they do this for one reason alone: to forward a narrative that betting on the truth of evolution is "faith", no different or more valid than their own faith.

    Having no tools, resources, evidence, or good arguments with which to support or elevate their own, faith-based beliefs, they are left no choice but to try to drag this evidence-based knowledge into the shitty murk where their faith resides, in order to make the comparison more favorable to their faith based beliefs.

    And that's it, in a nutshell.
     
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    so says the attention grabbing troll,,,,
     
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    Sounds about right, but still.. even that low level of concerted effort demands some significant reasoning power.. which begs the question: If they're smart enough to know better, why bother with the same old crap, year after year? At some point one can no longer fail to self-reflect. To apply the same tests one demands of others to their own indefensible positions. We know it does indeed wear thin since so many outspoken atheists turn out to be former priests and ministers who, of course, generally already know all their opponent's talking points much better than their opponents. People gotta sleep. Self-doubt makes for lots of tossing and turning instead. Drugs maybe?
     

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