OWS Echoes The French Revolution.

[The Gadfly]

Sallow and Truthmatters, you've done a good job educating on this thread.

The French Revolution is not a model for anyone, PC. It's an object lesson.

You're so busy trying to figure out a way to attack OWS that you completely miss the reasons for revolutions. You seem to believe that they are simply misbehavior by those who ought to know their place. You fail to realize that people reach a tipping point. You fail most spectacularly to realize that people-poor unnamed people-were dying from starvation before the revolution ever started.

The French Revolution, the Russian revolution, Gandhi's movement for India's independence, the Civil Rights movement, all of these have one thing in common-people had been pushed to their limit by tyranny. Real tyranny. Not "I don't want my taxes to pay for museums and schools" Tea Party tyranny. This is not to say that the French Revolution was good. It is to say that it was inevitable.

Sure sounds like the left wants a replay of the French Revolution to me; "See this is what you're gonna get if we don't get our way! You conservatives better be afraid!" That's what you meant to say, is it not? Well no, Sallow, I'm not afraid at all, because one thing I know about the American Left, is that like that avatar of yours, it's far more bark than bite. Your hippie progenitors were going to start a revolution too-how did that work out? The vast majority of you have neither the stomach nor the training for a real fight; all you have, is screeching and bluster. Just those people on the right, described as bitterly clinging to guns and religion, have considerably more capability than your side does in that department. I eagerly await your revolution of the masses; if this OWS crowd is any indication what we'll be up against, I'm not at all worried about the outcome. This is your "revolutionary army"? It wouldn't last an hour in a rock-throwing contest, much less a battle!

 

[chanel]

Tyranny? OMG. How many poor immigrants would give their right arm to suffer such tyranny here in the U.S.? Puhleez.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here's a primer for you:

» Matt Taibbi On The SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

1. Every once in a while a poster on the board veers off into some spittle punctuated rant based on nothing more than a desire to post.

That would be you.
Such a pattern is often the result of having attended a public school, where every utterance, no matter how inane, is rewarded with a pat on the head.
Not here.

2.You claimed "The OW protesters point to the FACT that you have Wall St. folk NOT being punished for the crimes they committed..."
My request: 'What crimes?'

3. The reponse would have been perfunctory, had you a brain in your head, or the integrity to claim what was actually a FACT.
While neither is the case, I should have been clued in by the term 'liberal' in your avi.

4.The vid you provided was about a thief who was long go sentenced to 150 years. Clearly long-gone culprit has nothing to do with the OWS rabble...
...so either you are as dumb as a box of rocks,
...or you have, to put it kindly, fibbed.

5. Your cavalier "Here's a primer for you" turns out to be appropriate, in that a 'primer' is an elementary text, and since your ability is elementary, I can see where you would grope for that term.

6. While you have no place posting with adults, I feel certain that, with just a bit of remedial training, you could perform adequately as a seeing-eye person for a blind dog.


As for future posting....You should go back to the task for which you are better prepared, using silly putty to lift the comic page. I’m sure somebody will open the egg for you.

Like all willfully ignorant neocon toadies with delusions of intelligence, Politicalchic IGNORES the parts of the video I linked to focus in on one aspect...to which she falsely portrays as the ENTIRE focus of the video, which it was not.

Politicalchic asked "what crimes" did Wall St. commit in leading the nation to our current fiscal fiasco....the video interview points to how banking and investment institutions DID NOT follow SEC rules, but knowingly and willingly aided and abetted the falsifying of various investments. Bernie Madoff is but one example, as the interviewee points to Deutsche Bank and others as participants, and how the SEC hierarchy was criminally lax in it's duties despite warnings given by various individuals. All one has to do is actually watch the video to see that I am telling the truth.

Indeed, for those wholly (or willfully) ignorant of the Wall St. shennanigans, this video is indeed just a primer for those truly interested in furthering their research on the matter. Politicalchic, however, is intellectually dishonest and therefore incapable of such honest reseach. Instead, she lies about the true content of the video, and then proceeds in a childish diatribe to lie about what I posted and my character.

In short, we're dealing with a Political-hack of the female persuasion....and a hack of the Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Crowley, Beck, Drudge character judging by her tactic here. It's not about the FACTS, but about replacing them with supposition and conjecture and thus trying to change the narrative.

I answered the Political Chic's question.....if she makes a further fool of herself, I may do a little more of her homework for her to set her on the right track...as this stupidity of comparing the Occupy Wall St. event to the French Revolution is indeed that...stupidity.

I’m not a proctologist, but I recognize you…

 

[SAT2]

Sure sounds like the left wants a replay of the French Revolution to me; "See this is what you're gonna get if we don't get our way! You conservatives better be afraid!" That's what you meant to say, is it not? Well no, Sallow, I'm not afraid at all, because one thing I know about the American Left, is that like that avatar of yours, it's far more bark than bite. Your hippie progenitors were going to start a revolution too-how did that work out? The vast majority of you have neither the stomach nor the training for a real fight; all you have, is screeching and bluster. Just those people on the right, described as bitterly clinging to guns and religion, have considerably more capability than your side does in that department. I eagerly await your revolution of the masses; if this OWS crowd is any indication what we'll be up against, I'm not at all worried about the outcome. This is your "revolutionary army"? It wouldn't last an hour in a rock-throwing contest, much less a battle!

Except no one with OWS has said anything like that. Or intended to say anything like that. Or described themselves as a revolutionary army. Or challenged you to a physical fight of any kind.

 

[chanel]

Really? "No one?" Who speaks for the group? I have seen many radicals speak at OWS who were INVITED by the group. Are they not "with them"?

 

[SAT2]

Fact is, those SLOBS coudn't lead a revolution in some third world Banana Republic.

That would be a completely different kind of revolution.

Really? "No one?" Who speaks for the group? I have seen many radicals speak at OWS who were INVITED by the group. Are they not "with them"?

Have you seen them call for violence? Have you seen them tell conservatives to be afraid, or else?

 

[chanel]

Frances Fox Piven:

An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees. [Emphasis added]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJZdWTiaJM&feature=player_embedded]Action video of Greece riots as fire bombs, stones fly in Athens - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOJn2LUPy4&feature=player_embedded]Raw Video: Students Attack Prince Charles' Car - YouTube[/ame]

 

[chanel]

He likes what is happening in Greece as well.

Speech by George Katsiaficas prepared for OWS on November 17, 2011

Historical antecedents to our actions can be found not only in our attempts 22 years to shut down Wall Street on Earth Day. Inspiration for the current global upsurge—from the Arab Spring to the Occupy movement—can be found in waves of movements in 1968, when a global series of uprisings resonated in relation to each other, a phenomenon I call the eros effect.

Instances of the spread of movements across borders, involving a process of mutual amplification and synergy, such as the present moment, are significant precursors for future mobilizations. We may not win a final victory today but step y step we prepare for that day!

In the period after 1968, as the global movement’s capacity for decentralized international coordination developed, other episodes of the international eros effect can be discerned:

1. The disarmament movement of the early 1980s
2. The wave of East Asian uprisings from Gwangju to Manila to Beijing
3. The revolts against Soviet regimes in East Europe
4. The alterglobalization wave leading up to Seattle in 1999 and anti-war mobilizations on February 15, 2003
5. The Arab Spring of 2011

By acting today, we enrich and enlarge this growing global insurgency against the system. Each time we act we build for the next phase.

George Katsiaficas November 17th at Occupy Wall Street | Occupy Philly Media

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's interesting to see the conservatives defend Marie Antoinette. Everyone on this board would have been somewhere among the "lower classes" during that reign.

Conservatism means protecting established power and social order-defending Marie Antoinette is right up their alley. [CC is right to an extend, Marie's primary fault was being clueless, and as she'd been raised to be clueless, she certainly didn't deserve her fate.] To get the respect of the "higher classes", you typically have to be a good toady.

She wasn't "clueless", either. Her one and only "fault" was to have been married to a guy whose country was falling to the mob right at that moment. That's it, that's all.

And I don't believe anyone requires definitions of conservatism from arrogant leftist ignoramuses today, thanks so much. It's like listening to a trout define what it is to fly.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If the left is to achieve their glorious recreation of the French revolution they are going to have to get a group less pussy than OWS.

Yeah, at least in France, the Great Unwashed had the balls to hack up a few bodies and dance around with the parts on pikes. Here, they just stand around and stink.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Sure sounds like the left wants a replay of the French Revolution to me; "See this is what you're gonna get if we don't get our way! You conservatives better be afraid!" That's what you meant to say, is it not? Well no, Sallow, I'm not afraid at all, because one thing I know about the American Left, is that like that avatar of yours, it's far more bark than bite. Your hippie progenitors were going to start a revolution too-how did that work out? The vast majority of you have neither the stomach nor the training for a real fight; all you have, is screeching and bluster. Just those people on the right, described as bitterly clinging to guns and religion, have considerably more capability than your side does in that department. I eagerly await your revolution of the masses; if this OWS crowd is any indication what we'll be up against, I'm not at all worried about the outcome. This is your "revolutionary army"? It wouldn't last an hour in a rock-throwing contest, much less a battle!

Except no one with OWS has said anything like that. Or intended to say anything like that. Or described themselves as a revolutionary army. Or challenged you to a physical fight of any kind.

Cops this evening arrested an Occupy Wall Street protester for allegedly threatening to throw Molotov cocktails at Macy’s tomorrow during the group’s city-wide demonstration.

“On the 17th, we going to burn New York City to the f-cking ground,” Nkrumah Tinsley, 29, shouted Tuesday amongst a crowd of his fellow demonstrators, cops said.

“In a few days they’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s,” Tinsley also allegedly vowed, according to a video posted on YouTube.

“They got guns! We got bottles!”

Tinsley was arrested around 5 p.m. at Zuccotti Park.

Read more: OWS protester busted for allegedly threatening to hurl Molotov cocktails at Macy's - NYPOST.com

 

[chanel]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-TQYG1m0Y4&feature=related]Occupy Wall Street - Bringing Anti-Semites Together - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fat cats?

600,000 were slaughtered in the abattoir.

You have been somewhat misinformed

Internally, popular sentiments radicalized the Revolution significantly, culminating in the rise of Maximilien Robespierre and the Jacobins and virtual dictatorship by the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror from 1793 until 1794 during which between 16,000 and 40,000 people were killed.[2] After the fall of the Jacobins and the execution of Robespierre, the Directory assumed control of the French state in 1795 and held power until 1799, when it was replaced by the Consulate under Napoleon Bonaparte.

Your post suggested that you meant the Reign of Terror. It's perfectly reasonable to believe that abattoir referred to that time period, and to the guillotine.

The staircase always ends at the landing...not at the [recently altered] point that PC demands.

It wasn't necessary for you to prove that you weren't educable...but I appreciate it just he same.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Fact is, those SLOBS coudn't lead a revolution in some third world Banana Republic.

That would be a completely different kind of revolution.

Really? "No one?" Who speaks for the group? I have seen many radicals speak at OWS who were INVITED by the group. Are they not "with them"?

Have you seen them call for violence? Have you seen them tell conservatives to be afraid, or else?

Yeah, over 90% of those slobs who were polled said they are planning on, or will, engage in civil disobedience.....That equals destruction and violence......And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Over 30% of those slobs said they are planning on, or will engage in abject violence.....And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Do you live permanently with your typically ignorant liberal head buried firmly up your boney ass?

 

[Political Junky]

Fact is, those SLOBS coudn't lead a revolution in some third world Banana Republic.

That would be a completely different kind of revolution.

Really? "No one?" Who speaks for the group? I have seen many radicals speak at OWS who were INVITED by the group. Are they not "with them"?

Have you seen them call for violence? Have you seen them tell conservatives to be afraid, or else?

Yeah,. over 90% of those slobs who were polled said they are planning on, or will, engage in civil disobedience....That equals destruction and violence......And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Over 30% of those slobs said they are planning on, or will engage in abject violence.....And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Do you live permanently with your typically ignorant liberal head buried firmly up your boney ass?

civil disobedience 
noun
1.
the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes. Compare noncooperation ( def. 2 ) , passive resistance.
2.
( initial capital letters, italics ) an essay (1848) by Thoreau.
Origin:
1865–70

 

[Wicked Jester]

That would be a completely different kind of revolution.



Have you seen them call for violence? Have you seen them tell conservatives to be afraid, or else?

Yeah,. over 90% of those slobs who were polled said they are planning on, or will, engage in civil disobedience....That equals destruction and violence......And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Over 30% of those slobs said they are planning on, or will engage in abject violence.....And we've most definitely seen them engage in that behavior.

Do you live permanently with your typically ignorant liberal head buried firmly up your boney ass?

civil disobedience 
noun
1.
the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes. Compare noncooperation ( def. 2 ) , passive resistance.
2.
( initial capital letters, italics ) an essay (1848) by Thoreau.
Origin:
1865–70

Civil disobedience as defined by the left, and the evidence is fully proven through the years, equates to destruction and violence, whether they start out peaceful or not....It always desolves into destruction and violence, as we've seen come from those slobs.

And funny how you completetly ignore the 1/3 of those slobs who are planning on, or will engage in violence, as we've seen come from those slobs.

I know, the truth hurts you supporters of those slobs.

 

[The Gadfly]

Sure sounds like the left wants a replay of the French Revolution to me; "See this is what you're gonna get if we don't get our way! You conservatives better be afraid!" That's what you meant to say, is it not? Well no, Sallow, I'm not afraid at all, because one thing I know about the American Left, is that like that avatar of yours, it's far more bark than bite. Your hippie progenitors were going to start a revolution too-how did that work out? The vast majority of you have neither the stomach nor the training for a real fight; all you have, is screeching and bluster. Just those people on the right, described as bitterly clinging to guns and religion, have considerably more capability than your side does in that department. I eagerly await your revolution of the masses; if this OWS crowd is any indication what we'll be up against, I'm not at all worried about the outcome. This is your "revolutionary army"? It wouldn't last an hour in a rock-throwing contest, much less a battle!

Except no one with OWS has said anything like that. Or intended to say anything like that. Or described themselves as a revolutionary army. Or challenged you to a physical fight of any kind.

As the quote form Sallow shows, it has certainly been stated by their supporters here, usually by oblique reference (as in Sallow's case); sometimes directly, as by Prieus, (before he got banned). Dragon is another OWS supporter here who has made several references to both the French and Russian revolutions as being the "inevitable" result, when the "aristocracy" fails to give in to the demands of the likes of OWS. You can twist and turn and wriggle, and play semantic games all you want, but the ultimate aim of this movement and many of those who support it, is nothing less than revolution-by threat and intimidation if possible, by force if necessary. It's not going to work. When the threats and intimidation fail (and they will), there is ultimately NOTHING to back it up.

 

[SAT2]

She wasn't "clueless", either. Her one and only "fault" was to have been married to a guy whose country was falling to the mob right at that moment. That's it, that's all.

And I don't believe anyone requires definitions of conservatism from arrogant leftist ignoramuses today, thanks so much. It's like listening to a trout define what it is to fly.

She was indeed clueless, and so was her husband. So were Nicholas and Alexandria. You are so reflexively defensive of power that you don't just defend the monarchy in principle, you defend even the most incompetent of monarchs. This is the essence of conservatism. Whatever else you pretend to defend, or how you define yourself, in the end, what you stand for is the preservation of existing power, even if that power is corrupt, incompetent, or both.

 

[SAT2]

Cops this evening arrested an Occupy Wall Street protester for allegedly threatening to throw Molotov cocktails at Macy’s tomorrow during the group’s city-wide demonstration.

“On the 17th, we going to burn New York City to the f-cking ground,” Nkrumah Tinsley, 29, shouted Tuesday amongst a crowd of his fellow demonstrators, cops said.

“In a few days they’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s,” Tinsley also allegedly vowed, according to a video posted on YouTube.

“They got guns! We got bottles!”

Tinsley was arrested around 5 p.m. at Zuccotti Park.

Read more: OWS protester busted for allegedly threatening to hurl Molotov cocktails at Macy's - NYPOST.com

You're right-there have been some incidents, but they don't define the movement. Look at the number of protestors, and the number of such incidents.

It wasn't necessary for you to prove that you weren't educable...but I appreciate it just he same.

It is true, you are incapable of educating me.

As the quote form Sallow shows, it has certainly been stated by their supporters here, usually by oblique reference (as in Sallow's case); sometimes directly, as by Prieus, (before he got banned). Dragon is another OWS supporter here who has made several references to both the French and Russian revolutions as being the "inevitable" result, when the "aristocracy" fails to give in to the demands of the likes of OWS. You can twist and turn and wriggle, and play semantic games all you want, but the ultimate aim of this movement and many of those who support it, is nothing less than revolution-by threat and intimidation if possible, by force if necessary. It's not going to work. When the threats and intimidation fail (and they will), there is ultimately NOTHING to back it up.

Yes, an uprising is an inevitable eventual result of oppression.

What is your beef with someone stating such an obvious truth?

 

[Dragon]

When the government does not represent the people (which is the core problem here), there is a sequence of steps that can be undertaken to remedy the problem. Revolution is only the last and most extreme step. It will not happen if any of the other steps along the way works.

First, the movement may try to bring about reform through the standard political process. That's what this movement did in 2006 and 2008: it worked successfully to elect Democrats instead of Republicans, on the theory that the Republican Party was the problem and that the Democratic Party was not also corrupt. Although this effort met with electoral success, it did not solve the problem of a government not representing the people because the theory was flawed; the Democrats are part of the problem -- they are not the solution.

Second, the movement may resort to direct action of various kinds short of revolution: protests, strikes, petitioning the government, etc. That's where we're at now. The idea is to provoke government action that just voting cannot bring about. In specific, the idea is to push the Democrats to a more populist stance and persuade them to break their big-business ties.

Third, in the United States at least the movement may attempt to make use of the Constitutional provision that allows amendment of the document through a constitutional convention called by the states. The beginning of that effort is already under way, but it will take several years to bear fruit.

Fourth, if all else fails and the government remains in thrall to corporations, revolution is an option.

This is not the first time in our nation's history that something like this has occurred. In the past, the government has always implemented reforms rather than be overthrown. Based on that precedent, we have reason to believe that the same will occur this time around and we will not have an actual revolution. The one major factor that is different this time is the presence of the Internet and social media. It's conceivable that this will accelerate things to the point where the government cannot get its act together and implement reform before the sequence of events reaches stage four. But that's not proven. We will have to wait and see.