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And the multi million dollar compensation packages for the suits at the top had nothing to do with it?While there may have been other factors, union demands were a factor in the demise of the company.
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And the multi million dollar compensation packages for the suits at the top had nothing to do with it?While there may have been other factors, union demands were a factor in the demise of the company.
The argument is that unions can end up killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
They can demand more than the company can afford to pay and everyone loses. This is something that the pro-union forces rarely, if ever, contemplate. They seem to think the company is just a bottomless barrel of money and they deserve whatever they can dream up to demand.
Not primarily. It was straight up financial mismanagement for decades. If binary think blaming the union helps you sleep at night..go for it. The union is just trying to get it members (Yellow's employees) the best deal.While there may have been other factors, union demands were a factor in the demise of the company.
They were doubtless a factor as well, but consider the following:And the multi million dollar compensation packages for the suits at the top had nothing to do with it?
The two are not related. Politicians decide to bail out banks because when too many of them fail, the repercussions to the economy are enormous. That really has no bearing on this.Why automatically blame it on unions? How many billions has it cost us to bail out the banks. They aren't union.
Yes they do, and when the choice is sign or have to replace your entire fleet of drivers, some bean counter probably thought signing was the lesser risk.Contracts have to be signed by both sides.
The argument is that union reps need to understand economic reality and not make demands that ultimately bankrupt the company. If they give into the union's demands, the company would need to raise prices, but then the union would have to accept the accompanying loss of revenue as sales drop off and subsequent layoffs. Maybe they would have to make do with fewer, higher paid drivers.So what is the argument? Truck drivers should be paid less? Maybe replaced with illegal immigrants?
What?
Unless we have the actual raw numbers being paid and demanded, we're just arguing from bias. Remember, I didn't say union demands were the primary factor, I said they were a factor.Not primarily. It was straight up financial mismanagement for decades. If binary think blaming the union helps you sleep at night..go for it. The union is just trying to get it members (Yellow's employees) the best deal.
This was a demise a long time in coming.
The two are not related. Politicians decide to bail out banks because when too many of them fail, the repercussions to the economy are enormous. That really has no bearing on this.
Yes they do, and when the choice is sign or have to replace your entire fleet of drivers, some bean counter probably thought signing was the lesser risk.
The argument is that union reps need to understand economic reality and not make demands that ultimately bankrupt the company. If they give into the union's demands, the company would need to raise prices, but then the union would have to accept the accompanying loss of revenue as sales drop off and subsequent layoffs. Maybe they would have to make do with fewer, higher paid drivers.
There is no free lunch and companies are not bottomless barrels of cash. I saw something like this happen at Circuit City. At the turn of the century, executives were bragging that they were sitting on a $billion in cash and didn't fear Best Buy's financing their big expansion, and 8 years later they were bankrupt. One thing they did to reduce compensation costs, but was done badly, was to fire all the store salespersons who were paid on commission and rehire them at $10/hour flat rate. That didn't work out so good.
IOW, people should be paid what their labor is worth, but have to also understand that they can make demands that result in everybody losing their jobs. Is it better to get paid a little less than what you want, or to successfully make your demand and no one gets paid anything?
Interesting screed there, given that everyone likes to be paid well at their job, but not everyone is envious that someone else gets paid more.Teabaggers have always hated unions and good paying American jobs.
If not the point, then irrelevant to the discussion.Not the point. They failed and were bailed out and they are not union.
I did answer. People should get paid what their labor is worth and understand that sometimes a company faces the choice of some people not getting paid what they want and no one getting paid anything. You're insisting on truck drivers getting paid less, that's not the argument at all and you should put it to rest.You should demand all you can get. But then again, you refuse to answer........what is the point here? Truck drivers should be paid less?
Why won't anyone answer this?
Yep, tax payers will eat it of course.When they sell it off or it's bought I wonder if the feds can sue for the 30% stake it took in exchange for the 700M or will the taxpayer have to eat it?
If not the point, then irrelevant to the discussion.
I did answer. People should get paid what their labor is worth and understand that sometimes a company faces the choice of some people not getting paid what they want and no one getting paid anything. You're insisting on truck drivers getting paid less, that's not the argument at all and you should put it to rest.
I went to work for a private union once, was offered 24 dollars an hour because i had Pnuematic/Electronic experience, no one else could do. After one year, i realized my immediate supervisor i had replaced, while he got promoted to watch over me, had no clue about what Pnuematic/Electonic work was. In other words he had scammed his way to be my boss. I went to the O&M manager showing my research and studies, proving that the supervisor had just turned all signaling devices off. I was released for being a dick to my supervisor and two weeks later they let the supervisor go. I went to the union for a complaint and they did nothing, but demand that i continue to pay my dues, while unemployed, or be black listed. I asked the Union Boss, if he was trying to find me another job in my career field, and he was dumbstruck because i was the first and only of my field in the union. I left found another job in Fire Alarm work, making 27 dollars an hour and finally became a building inspector making over 100 thousand a year. Fuck the unions, they have lost their usefulness, and need to be busted up.Private sector unions are an important part of the Capitalist system, it's public sector unions that have to go.
This is actually an example of the system working, the Union pushed too hard, and now 30k of it's members are out of work.
I went to work for a private union once, was offered 24 dollars an hour because i had Pnuematic/Electronic experience, no one else could do. After one year, i realized my immediate supervisor i had replaced, while he got promoted to watch over me, had no clue about what Pnuematic/Electonic work was. In other words he had scammed his way to be my boss. I went to the O&M manager showing my research and studies, proving that the supervisor had just turned all signaling devices off. I was released for being a dick to my supervisor and two weeks later they let the supervisor go. I went to the union for a complaint and they did nothing, but demand that i continue to pay my dues, while unemployed, or be black listed. I asked the Union Boss, if he was trying to find me another job in my career field, and he was dumbstruck because i was the first and only of my field in the union. I left found another job in Fire Alarm work, making 27 dollars an hour and finally became a building inspector making over 100 thousand a year. Fuck the unions, they have lost their usefulness, and need to be busted up.
A person who cant barter for themselves deserves to be laid off, when Unions bankrupt the companies those employees are working for. It happens all the time, GM and Chrysler got bail outs from the brown turd Obammy and that is the only reason those companies and the UAW(Crooks) are still in business. What is to keep GM and Chrysler from doing it again, if the UAW decides it is time to up the anti again? Will Joe Biteme bail them out again?The issue isn't the union system, it's the stagnation of the union's themselves due to winning the big fights, and not being able to keep up the skeer enough on the small ones. So they become degenerate.
A person who cant barter for themselves deserves to be laid off, when Unions bankrupt the companies those employees are working for. It happens all the time, GM and Chrysler got bail outs from the brown turd Obammy and that is the only reason those companies and the UAW(Crooks) are still in business. What is to keep GM and Chrysler from doing it again, if the UAW decides it is time to up the anti again? Will Joe Biteme bail them out again?
Sure they are, especially when the very same people, who get government $$$, then using that $$$ for other things.Interesting screed there, given that everyone likes to be paid well at their job, but not everyone is envious that someone else gets paid more.
That was BUSH, you moron.A person who cant barter for themselves deserves to be laid off, when Unions bankrupt the companies those employees are working for. It happens all the time, GM and Chrysler got bail outs from the brown turd Obammy and that is the only reason those companies and the UAW(Crooks) are still in business.
What is to keep GM and Chrysler from doing it again, if the UAW decides it is time to up the anti again? Will Joe Biteme bail them out again?
What's the argument here? Truck drivers should be paid less?