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California prop 8 comes to mind nuts where the minority dictated democracy against the constitution.
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Where in the Constitution does it say that a certain segment of the population does not have the right to bear arms? Who determines if someone is crazy...you? I think half the gun nutters are crazy...they still have a right to own a gun.[/QUOTE][QUOTE="Dana7360]
It's not gun control. It's background checks on all gun sales whether the sale is done with a licensed dealer or a private person.
So unless they were standing on the front of the capitol selling to people without the background check, no laws were broken.
I just have to ask why you want to allow a felon, someone who has mental problems or a domestic abuser to have a gun. Why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for those people to get a gun? Why should we make it easy for those people to kill people?
I also want to know why you don't support democracy? The people of Washington state voted and they voted for the law by 60%. Why should the minority have the right to dictate what happens in a democracy?
Kinda like, gay marriage?Fed up with the passage of an 18½-page incoherent, rambling, unconstitutional gun control initiative that was bankrolled by billionaires, gun owners across Washington state held the largest felony civil disobedience rally in the nation’s history, brazenly titled “I Will Not Comply.” No one was hurt and no stores were looted. Between 1,000 and 3,000 lawful gun owners showed up openly armed at the state capitol in Olympia, Wash., on Saturday to defy the newly passed gun control law, I-594.
Organizer Gavin Seim made the extraordinary nature of the rally very clear, "This isn’t just a protest. We are here to openly violate the law." Attendees publicly transferred their guns to each other in violation of I-591’s background check provisions, and some even bought and sold guns just a few feet away from law enforcement. A fire pit blazed throughout the rally, and at the conclusion, gun owners lined up to burn their concealed weapons permits. A petition was circulated affirming gun owners’ refusal to follow I-594, which ended with, “We pledge our blood. We will not comply.”
As the RSVPs in advance of the rally grew to over 6,000, the police - most who probably detest I-594 - decided not to enforce the law. The Washington State Patrol announced there would be no arrests for exchanging guns - not even for selling guns. Seim refused to obtain a permit to hold the rally, citing the right of people to peaceably assemble.
The rally could not be dismissed as fringe elements. Several lawmakers and lawmen spoke, including former Graham County Sheriff Richard Mack of Arizona, Washington State Rep. Elizabeth Scott (R-Monroe) and Rep. Graham Hunt (R-Orting), who sported an AR-15 during his speech. Mack advised gun owners engaging in civil disobedience to “put your sheriff next to you to keep it peaceful.” Scott defiantly explained in her speech, “I will not comply with I-594 because it is unconstitutional, unenforceable and unjust. It is impossible to enforce this law unless there is a police officer on every back porch and in every living room. So it will be enforced selectively.” She noted that Founding Father Alexander Hamilton said any law that violates the Constitution is not valid, and there is a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws.
Seim, a political activist and congressional candidate, wrote on his website, “Today I become an OUTLAW! Arrest me! I will NOT comply.” He led the rally peacefully, and at one point asked everyone attending to kneel with him in prayer. As he led the crowd in the Pledge of Allegiance, he stressed, “I am not pledging obedience to the government, it is to the Republic. We don’t ask for our rights, and we don’t negotiate for our rights. We will take America back.”
Another speaker explained what was happening this way, “We no longer consent nor comply.” Mike Vanderboegh, whose Three Percenter movement is modeled after the three percent of the colonists who fought in the American War of Independence, said that those at the rally are the resistance behind enemy lines. The resistance is also taking place in a handful of other states with strict gun control laws, where patriots are now smuggling in weapons illegally. Vanderboegh told attendees, “This is the tyranny the Founding Fathers warned us about. Tyranny can be voted into existence by a majority. We will not fire the first shot, but if need be, we will fire the last.”
Gun control zealots have finally gone too far. Gun owners are now discovering that the police in New York are using gun control laws to confiscate guns from family members within days after their owners pass away. Hundreds of thousands of gun owners in Connecticut and New York who failed to register their AR-15s earlier this year are now felons. Requiring the registration of guns or requiring background checks, as I-594 does, allows the government to compile a list of gun owners, which can be used later for confiscation.
If guns cause crime, then why wasn’t there a single mishap, considering there were 1,000 or so guns present and hundreds of violations of felony law taking place? Tellingly, Washington State Trooper Guy Gill predicted beforehand, “"Most of these folks are responsible gun owners. We probably will not have an issue." The truth is, the state capitol was probably the safest place in the state last Saturday.
Patriots have had enough. The Second Amendment is gradually being eroded, state by state, and gun owners are not going to lie down and give up their arms. A handful of billionaires and elitists in blue cities like Seattle do not respect the Constitution nor represent the vast majority of Americans. Another rally in Olympia is planned for January 15, and another one in Spokane on December 20. The Second Amendment Foundation, headquartered in Bellevue, intends to sue the state over I-594, and will be lobbying the legislature to get the law changed or repealed. Washington state is now ground zero for patriotic gun owners resisting tyranny, which is at a tipping point since law enforcement does not intend to enforce I-594. What happens next?
LINK: Over 1 000 Gun Owners Violate Washington rsquo s I-594 - In Front Of Police ........Is This The Catalyst We ve Been Waiting For - Constitutional Emergency
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It's not gun control. It's background checks on all gun sales whether the sale is done with a licensed dealer or a private person.
So unless they were standing on the front of the capitol selling to people without the background check, no laws were broken.
I just have to ask why you want to allow a felon, someone who has mental problems or a domestic abuser to have a gun. Why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for those people to get a gun? Why should we make it easy for those people to kill people?
I also want to know why you don't support democracy? The people of Washington state voted and they voted for the law by over 60%. Why should the minority have the right to dictate what happens in a democracy?
Where in the Constitution does it say that a certain segment of the population does not have the right to bear arms? Who determines if someone is crazy...you? I think half the gun nutters are crazy...they still have a right to own a gun.[QUOTE="Dana7360]
It's not gun control. It's background checks on all gun sales whether the sale is done with a licensed dealer or a private person.
So unless they were standing on the front of the capitol selling to people without the background check, no laws were broken.
I just have to ask why you want to allow a felon, someone who has mental problems or a domestic abuser to have a gun. Why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for those people to get a gun? Why should we make it easy for those people to kill people?
I also want to know why you don't support democracy? The people of Washington state voted and they voted for the law by 60%. Why should the minority have the right to dictate what happens in a democracy?
After Sandy Hook, you would have thought Republicans would come out on the side of the murdered children, but I never did.
First, they will never protect the "born". Republicans simply have no interest in children once born. In fact, they would starve many of them if they could.
Second, I always knew they would run to protect the rights of that mass murderer. And they did.
Good for them, about time gun haters get shown how stupid they are. If they think they can take away our guns.
Not a victory. The police won't search for these guns...but be certain, if you get in any trouble...they will find the gun and add a charge that will probably force the suspect to go to prison for an extended period of time.Good for them, about time gun haters get shown how stupid they are. If they think they can take away our guns.
Indeed...........
In Ct. this past year, they issued a new law mandating that all owners of "assault" weapons turn in their weapons or be jailed. About 5 were turned in of the approximately 300,000. The police haven't spent one single minute going out to enforce the law!!!
Where in the constitution does it say one must have a background check to own a gun? It is nonsense...it is anti-Constitutional. Leave our guns alone, periodWhere in the Constitution does it say that a certain segment of the population does not have the right to bear arms? Who determines if someone is crazy...you? I think half the gun nutters are crazy...they still have a right to own a gun.[QUOTE="Dana7360]
It's not gun control. It's background checks on all gun sales whether the sale is done with a licensed dealer or a private person.
So unless they were standing on the front of the capitol selling to people without the background check, no laws were broken.
I just have to ask why you want to allow a felon, someone who has mental problems or a domestic abuser to have a gun. Why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for those people to get a gun? Why should we make it easy for those people to kill people?
I also want to know why you don't support democracy? The people of Washington state voted and they voted for the law by 60%. Why should the minority have the right to dictate what happens in a democracy?
This law doesn't take guns from anyone. All it does is require a background check.
We've had laws on the books for a very long time that takes guns from felons, those with mental problems and those who are domestic abusers.
All I 594 does is make sure that those who are felons, who have mental problems and who are domestic abusers don't get guns.
Why do you believe that our society shouldn't make sure that our laws are being followed? How is our nation going to make sure that those people don't continue to break the law and get a gun if we don't do a background check?
It's been in the local news every time I've watched it, days before leading up to yesterday. You were too busy with your bong, I guess. No, it isn't just about a background check, it's 18 fucking pages long and apparently you never read it but claim to have voted on it. Shame on you but you provided a great example of why initiatives usurp our representative democracy.Exactly. I live in Washington state and this is the first I've heard of it.
The people of Washington state don't care what gun nuts think. They are wrong about the whole thing. They call logical and rational safety measures gun control.
All that law does is give law enforcement another tool to enforce laws we've already had on the books for a very long time.
And that all anyone needs to know about this bonehead.Where in the constitution does it say that people have the right to kill innocent people?
Most of us have jobs, unlike the unwashed professional malcontents. Most would not have voted on it if they had read beyond the headlines. But since this is a shall issue/open carry state I have to concluded that most people don't side with your type.That's one of the problems. They don't have many people to participate. I wouldn't be surprised of some of the people at that rally don't live in Washington.I hope these movement in the state grows and stands ready to refuse to comply.
As long as they have thousands that participate, they can't arrest them all.
The polling of registered voters before the election had people approving it by 72%.
Not all people voted and the measure passed with 60%
Now, if that many people in Washington state want that law, you're not going to get many to join gun nuts.
Those you do get will be laughed at, mocked and ignored by the people of Washington state.
It's not gun control. It's background checks on all gun sales whether the sale is done with a licensed dealer or a private person.
So unless they were standing on the front of the capitol selling to people without the background check, no laws were broken.
I just have to ask why you want to allow a felon, someone who has mental problems or a domestic abuser to have a gun. Why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for those people to get a gun? Why should we make it easy for those people to kill people?
I also want to know why you don't support democracy? The people of Washington state voted and they voted for the law by 60%. Why should the minority have the right to dictate what happens in a democracy?
I've answered your questions. You haven't answered any of mine.
What questions?
I've answered your questions. You haven't answered any of mine.
What questions?
I've asked you where in the constitution does it give the right for someone to kill an innocent person.
I've asked you why don't you want to make it as hard as possible for the wrong people to get guns.
I've asked you why you want to make it easy for a felon to get a gun and kill someone.
You haven't answered any of my questions.
Roe v. Wade was the court decision that made abortion a right, which isn't really in the Constitution but we are supposed to pretend it is for the greater "good".I've asked you where in the constitution does it give the right for someone to kill an innocent person.