Our Kennedy.

[Oldstyle]

You can continue to repeat your mantra about the "official policy" all you want...but you've STILL not shown where Kennedy's "official policy" to prevent the spread of communism changed. If it hadn't changed? Then there is no way that Kennedy is walking away from Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia at the height of the Cold War! I'm sorry but that simply wasn't going to happen...hence Saunder's belief that Kennedy wouldn't have withdrawn troops.

 

[Bfgrn]

And the fact that Johnson escalated that conflict far beyond what Kennedy did, doesn't change what JFK did before Johnson took office. Kennedy profoundly changed what we were doing in Vietnam after he replaced Dwight Eisenhower. He decided that Vietnam was one of the places that he would draw a line in the sand against communism...a policy that he REPEATEDLY put forth all through his thousand days.

You have once again failed to show that Kennedy was willing to walk away from South Vietnam and let it fall to the communists which was a given if he had pulled out US troops starting in 1963.

Kennedy is responsible for EXACTLY what he did...NOTHING MORE. 16,000 troops. Had he lived and even if he didn't pull out all troops by 1965, the troop level and casualties for 5 more years would have made Vietnam a footnote in history. JOHNSON escalated WAY WAY WAY beyond what Kennedy DID or WOULD have done. Johnson turned Vietnam into a major American war. Kennedy DIDN'T. But you want to tag Kennedy with what Johnson did. That is either dishonest or obtuse. Which one is it?

I'm not "tagging" Kennedy with what Johnson did...I'm "tagging" him with what HE did! Kennedy escalated the war in Vietnam in a major way...turning the US military's mission there from the training that they were doing under Eisenhower...to the combat missions that they were doing on a large scale.

As for what Kennedy "WOULD" have done? You don't know what he would have done! It's possible he would have kept troop levels at the rate they were when he was killed. It's also quite possible that he would have increased them just as he increased them following Eisenhower. Why? Because even though Kennedy and many of his advisers correctly viewed Southeast Asia as a potential quagmire they were STILL adamant about preventing the spread of communism which means you've got conflicting "policies". On the one hand you've got Kennedy's oft stated declaration that the US would defend free nations against communist takeovers...and on the other you've got his plan to withdraw troops from South Vietnam. Obviously something has to give...

An indication of JFK's vision for the future and what Kennedy would have done and what he would have worked for in a second term can be seen in his America University "peace" speech, the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, his secret negotiations with Russia to end the Vietnam war and negotiations to normalize relations with Cuba. And his close relationship with Khrushchev.

At the beginning of this thread I explained how the CIA and the military/industrial complex sabotaged peace talks with Russia in 1960. Ike was so incensed he called out those entities in his farewell address.

Here is JFK's nephew, try reading it and understanding just how much power and push back the agencies Ike called out wielded.

JFK's Vision of Peace: RFK Jr. on John F. Kennedy's Attempts to End the Cold War

Despite the Cold War rhetoric of his campaign, JFK's greatest ambition as president was to break the militaristic ideology that has dominated our country since World War II. He told his close friend Ben Bradlee that he wanted the epitaph "He kept the peace," and said to another friend, William Walton, "I am almost a 'peace at any price' president." Hugh Sidey, a journalist and friend, wrote that the governing aspect of JFK's leadership was "a total revulsion" of war. Nevertheless, as James W. Douglass argues in his book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, JFK's presidency would be a continuous struggle with his own military and intelligence agencies, which engaged in incessant schemes to trap him into escalating the Cold War into a hot one. His first major confrontation with the Pentagon, the Bay of Pigs catastrophe, came only three months into his presidency and would set the course for the next 1,000 days.

 

[Oldstyle]

LOL...so your "proof" is something written about JFK by his nephew? Really?

Here's a bit of reality for you, Bfgrn...the Kennedy family have used the Camelot myth to land themselves cushy public service and non profit jobs for the past 50 years. They are heavily invested in keeping the Kennedy "brand" as iconic as they can because to be quite frank...MOST OF THEM ARE IDIOTS and can't survive in the real world!

 

[Oldstyle]

Once again...you've failed to show that Kennedy's policy to stem the tide of communism had changed in 1963. You would like us to believe that JFK was willing to walk away from Vietnam and let it fall to the communists. At the height of the Cold War that would have been a disaster for our foreign policy.

When Kennedy drew up that plan to withdraw troops it was before the situation in South Vietnam turned ugly with the South Vietnamese army suffering a particularly humiliating defeat and the Diem brothers being assassinated in a coup. Withdrawing troops because you've been led to believe that the war is going so well that you CAN do that is a far cry from withdrawing them because the war is going badly. Kennedy stated numerous times that we were involved in a life and death struggle with communism...a struggle that we couldn't back down from...yet you want us to believe that he was going to just pack up and leave Southeast Asia? Common sense tells you that would NOT have happened.

 

[Bfgrn]

LOL...so your "proof" is something written about JFK by his nephew? Really?

Here's a bit of reality for you, Bfgrn...the Kennedy family have used the Camelot myth to land themselves cushy public service and non profit jobs for the past 50 years. They are heavily invested in keeping the Kennedy "brand" as iconic as they can because to be quite frank...MOST OF THEM ARE IDIOTS and can't survive in the real world!

I'm sorry, I forgot that anything positive about the Kennedy family is a myth, and anything that slanders the Kennedy family is absolute truth.

Please provide a list of 'cushy public service and non profit jobs'?

 

[thanatos144]

Best thing that could be Said about Kennedy is that he was mediocre as president the thing not said was he was a racist warmongering womanizing coward

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[Bfgrn]

Once again...you've failed to show that Kennedy's policy to stem the tide of communism had changed in 1963. You would like us to believe that JFK was willing to walk away from Vietnam and let it fall to the communists. At the height of the Cold War that would have been a disaster for our foreign policy.

When Kennedy drew up that plan to withdraw troops it was before the situation in South Vietnam turned ugly with the South Vietnamese army suffering a particularly humiliating defeat and the Diem brothers being assassinated in a coup. Withdrawing troops because you've been led to believe that the war is going so well that you CAN do that is a far cry from withdrawing them because the war is going badly. Kennedy stated numerous times that we were involved in a life and death struggle with communism...a struggle that we couldn't back down from...yet you want us to believe that he was going to just pack up and leave Southeast Asia? Common sense tells you that would NOT have happened.

2 Nov 1963 - Diem assassination

20 Nov 1963 - Honolulu Meeting Briefing Book, Part I. See also Part II.
The briefing books prepared for a Vietnam meeting in Honolulu reaffirmed the timetables for complete withdrawal from Vietnam, as well as the initial 1,000 main withdrawal, despite the recent coup in Vietnam.

 

[Bfgrn]

Best thing that could be Saud about Kennedy is that he was mediocre as president the thing not said was he was a racist warmongering womanizing coward

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He was a womanizer, but he was not a racist.

 

[thanatos144]

Best thing that could be Saud about Kennedy is that he was mediocre as president the thing not said was he was a racist warmongering womanizing coward.

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He was a womanizer, but he was not a racist.

He consistently voted on civil rights he was a racist pig. Just like his criminal father.

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[Bfgrn]

Best thing that could be Saud about Kennedy is that he was mediocre as president the thing not said was he was a racist warmongering womanizing coward.

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He was a womanizer, but he was not a racist.

He consistently voted on civil rights he was a racist pig. Just like his criminal father.

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What president proposed what became the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Criminal father? Do you mean the bootlegger myth?

 

[Oldstyle]

LOL...so your "proof" is something written about JFK by his nephew? Really?

Here's a bit of reality for you, Bfgrn...the Kennedy family have used the Camelot myth to land themselves cushy public service and non profit jobs for the past 50 years. They are heavily invested in keeping the Kennedy "brand" as iconic as they can because to be quite frank...MOST OF THEM ARE IDIOTS and can't survive in the real world!

I'm sorry, I forgot that anything positive about the Kennedy family is a myth, and anything that slanders the Kennedy family is absolute truth.

Please provide a list of 'cushy public service and non profit jobs'?

You want me to list the public service jobs that the Kennedy clan have held? Are you kidding? It would be easier to list the Kennedy's that HAVEN'T held public office than all those that HAVE! Joe Kennedy II gave up his job in Congress because he could slide over into Citizen's and make twice the money and do half the work. It's good to be a Kennedy!

As for non-profits? Citizen's Energy. It's been a Kennedy "boondoggle" for decades. If you're a Kennedy and you need a job that pays six figures and doesn't require you to do anything, you work at Citizen's Energy.

 

[thanatos144]

He was a womanizer, but he was not a racist.

He consistently voted on civil rights he was a racist pig. Just like his criminal father.

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What president proposed what became the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Criminal father? Do you mean the bootlegger myth?

None did it was a republican congressman that did

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[Bfgrn]

He consistently voted on civil rights he was a racist pig. Just like his criminal father.

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What president proposed what became the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Criminal father? Do you mean the bootlegger myth?

None did it was a republican congressman that did

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Really? What is his name?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the nation's benchmark civil rights legislation, and it continues to resonate in America. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. Passage of the Act ended the application of "Jim Crow" laws, which had been upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1896 case Plessy v. Ferguson, in which the Court held that racial segregation purported to be "separate but equal" was constitutional. The Civil Rights Act was eventually expanded by Congress to strengthen enforcement of these fundamental civil rights.

The House Judiciary Committee held a series of hearings on the proposed legislation during the summer of 1963. The proposed bill was amended during the committee process to broaden the scope of protections. The changes strengthened President Kennedy's original proposal in response to the tumultuous summer of 1963,which saw several incidents of racially motivated violence across the South. The House Judiciary Committee approved the legislation on October 26, 1963, and formally reported it to the full House on November 20, 1963, just two days before President Kennedy was assassinated. On November 27, 1963, President Lyndon Johnson asserted his commitment to President Kennedy's legislative agenda, particularly civil rights legislation. The House of Representatives passed a final version of the Civil Rights Act on February 10, 1964.

 

[thanatos144]

What president proposed what became the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Criminal father? Do you mean the bootlegger myth?

None did it was a republican congressman that did

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Really? What is his name?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the nation's benchmark civil rights legislation, and it continues to resonate in America. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. Passage of the Act ended the application of "Jim Crow" laws, which had been upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1896 case Plessy v. Ferguson, in which the Court held that racial segregation purported to be "separate but equal" was constitutional. The Civil Rights Act was eventually expanded by Congress to strengthen enforcement of these fundamental civil rights.

The House Judiciary Committee held a series of hearings on the proposed legislation during the summer of 1963. The proposed bill was amended during the committee process to broaden the scope of protections. The changes strengthened President Kennedy's original proposal in response to the tumultuous summer of 1963,which saw several incidents of racially motivated violence across the South. The House Judiciary Committee approved the legislation on October 26, 1963, and formally reported it to the full House on November 20, 1963, just two days before President Kennedy was assassinated. On November 27, 1963, President Lyndon Johnson asserted his commitment to President Kennedy's legislative agenda, particularly civil rights legislation. The House of Representatives passed a final version of the Civil Rights Act on February 10, 1964.

This proves you point how? It wasn't his bill dipshit.

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[Bfgrn]

LOL...so your "proof" is something written about JFK by his nephew? Really?

Here's a bit of reality for you, Bfgrn...the Kennedy family have used the Camelot myth to land themselves cushy public service and non profit jobs for the past 50 years. They are heavily invested in keeping the Kennedy "brand" as iconic as they can because to be quite frank...MOST OF THEM ARE IDIOTS and can't survive in the real world!

I'm sorry, I forgot that anything positive about the Kennedy family is a myth, and anything that slanders the Kennedy family is absolute truth.

Please provide a list of 'cushy public service and non profit jobs'?

You want me to list the public service jobs that the Kennedy clan have held? Are you kidding? It would be easier to list the Kennedy's that HAVEN'T held public office than all those that HAVE! Joe Kennedy II gave up his job in Congress because he could slide over into Citizen's and make twice the money and do half the work. It's good to be a Kennedy!

As for non-profits? Citizen's Energy. It's been a Kennedy "boondoggle" for decades. If you're a Kennedy and you need a job that pays six figures and doesn't require you to do anything, you work at Citizen's Energy.

One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke

Citizen Energy is a "boondoggle" for poor and elderly citizens. The more you speak the more ignorant you become. Slander the Kennedys.

The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis by The Associated Press using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm.

As of 2010, Kennedy's CEO salary was $596,988 per year.

 

[Bfgrn]

None did it was a republican congressman that did

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Really? What is his name?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the nation's benchmark civil rights legislation, and it continues to resonate in America. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. Passage of the Act ended the application of "Jim Crow" laws, which had been upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1896 case Plessy v. Ferguson, in which the Court held that racial segregation purported to be "separate but equal" was constitutional. The Civil Rights Act was eventually expanded by Congress to strengthen enforcement of these fundamental civil rights.

The House Judiciary Committee held a series of hearings on the proposed legislation during the summer of 1963. The proposed bill was amended during the committee process to broaden the scope of protections. The changes strengthened President Kennedy's original proposal in response to the tumultuous summer of 1963,which saw several incidents of racially motivated violence across the South. The House Judiciary Committee approved the legislation on October 26, 1963, and formally reported it to the full House on November 20, 1963, just two days before President Kennedy was assassinated. On November 27, 1963, President Lyndon Johnson asserted his commitment to President Kennedy's legislative agenda, particularly civil rights legislation. The House of Representatives passed a final version of the Civil Rights Act on February 10, 1964.

This proves you point how? It wasn't his bill dipshit.

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You really shouldn't be calling people names like dipshit, especially when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Civil Rights Act History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which ended segregation in public places and banned employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin, is considered one of the crowning legislative achievements of the civil rights movement. First proposed by President John F. Kennedy, it survived strong opposition from southern members of Congress and was then signed into law by Kennedy’s successor, Lyndon B. Johnson. In subsequent years, Congress expanded the act and also passed additional legislation aimed at bringing equality to African Americans, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm sorry, I forgot that anything positive about the Kennedy family is a myth, and anything that slanders the Kennedy family is absolute truth.

Please provide a list of 'cushy public service and non profit jobs'?

You want me to list the public service jobs that the Kennedy clan have held? Are you kidding? It would be easier to list the Kennedy's that HAVEN'T held public office than all those that HAVE! Joe Kennedy II gave up his job in Congress because he could slide over into Citizen's and make twice the money and do half the work. It's good to be a Kennedy!

As for non-profits? Citizen's Energy. It's been a Kennedy "boondoggle" for decades. If you're a Kennedy and you need a job that pays six figures and doesn't require you to do anything, you work at Citizen's Energy.

One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke

Citizen Energy is a "boondoggle" for poor and elderly citizens. The more you speak the more ignorant you become. Slander the Kennedys.

The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis by The Associated Press using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm.

As of 2010, Kennedy's CEO salary was $596,988 per year.

Citizen's Energy is a boondoggle for the Kennedy clan...not the poor or the elderly! The Kennedy's say nice things about Hugo Chavez and he gives them oil at a cut rate price. Running Citizen's Energy is something that is passed around the Kennedy clan like it's a trust fund. Couldn't get elected to public office because you're embroiled in a sex scandal? No problem! If you're a Kennedy you can work at Citizen's and make a six figure salary and never break a sweat. It's not like you're going to get fired if you take a month off to ski in Aspen or hang out in Palm Springs! You've got the ultimate prize...a no show job for big bucks. Executives in a typical public company put in long hours because if they don't they'll be replaced. Kennedy's don't get fired from Citizen's Energy because they ARE Citizen's Energy. Joe Kennedy pulls down that $600,000 a year salary and has plenty of time to enjoy the finer things in life because he doesn't really do anything at Citizen's.
The head of a typical public company works long hours for their money and if they aren't successful they are let go. Being the head of Citizen's Energy means that you work pretty much when you feel like it and the job is yours until you want to pursue something else.

 

[thanatos144]

Really? What is his name?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the nation's benchmark civil rights legislation, and it continues to resonate in America. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. Passage of the Act ended the application of "Jim Crow" laws, which had been upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1896 case Plessy v. Ferguson, in which the Court held that racial segregation purported to be "separate but equal" was constitutional. The Civil Rights Act was eventually expanded by Congress to strengthen enforcement of these fundamental civil rights.

The House Judiciary Committee held a series of hearings on the proposed legislation during the summer of 1963. The proposed bill was amended during the committee process to broaden the scope of protections. The changes strengthened President Kennedy's original proposal in response to the tumultuous summer of 1963,which saw several incidents of racially motivated violence across the South. The House Judiciary Committee approved the legislation on October 26, 1963, and formally reported it to the full House on November 20, 1963, just two days before President Kennedy was assassinated. On November 27, 1963, President Lyndon Johnson asserted his commitment to President Kennedy's legislative agenda, particularly civil rights legislation. The House of Representatives passed a final version of the Civil Rights Act on February 10, 1964.

This proves you point how? It wasn't his bill dipshit.

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You really shouldn't be calling people names like dipshit, especially when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Civil Rights Act History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which ended segregation in public places and banned employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin, is considered one of the crowning legislative achievements of the civil rights movement. First proposed by President John F. Kennedy, it survived strong opposition from southern members of Congress and was then signed into law by Kennedy’s successor, Lyndon B. Johnson. In subsequent years, Congress expanded the act and also passed additional legislation aimed at bringing equality to African Americans, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Maybe you should actually read what your posting. John f. Kennedy proposed changes to the bill he didn't write the f****** bill you idiot the bill was written years prior

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[Bfgrn]

This proves you point how? It wasn't his bill dipshit.

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You really shouldn't be calling people names like dipshit, especially when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Civil Rights Act History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which ended segregation in public places and banned employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin, is considered one of the crowning legislative achievements of the civil rights movement. First proposed by President John F. Kennedy, it survived strong opposition from southern members of Congress and was then signed into law by Kennedy’s successor, Lyndon B. Johnson. In subsequent years, Congress expanded the act and also passed additional legislation aimed at bringing equality to African Americans, such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Maybe you should actually read what your posting. John f. Kennedy proposed changes to the bill he didn't write the f****** bill you idiot the bill was written years prior

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Maybe YOU should read what is posted...Kennedy PROPOSED civil rights legislation in a speech on June 11, 1963.


Civil Rights Act of 1964

Origins

The bill was called for by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963, in which he asked for legislation "giving all Americans the right to be served in facilities which are open to the public—hotels, restaurants, theaters, retail stores, and similar establishments", as well as "greater protection for the right to vote".

 

[Bfgrn]

You want me to list the public service jobs that the Kennedy clan have held? Are you kidding? It would be easier to list the Kennedy's that HAVEN'T held public office than all those that HAVE! Joe Kennedy II gave up his job in Congress because he could slide over into Citizen's and make twice the money and do half the work. It's good to be a Kennedy!

As for non-profits? Citizen's Energy. It's been a Kennedy "boondoggle" for decades. If you're a Kennedy and you need a job that pays six figures and doesn't require you to do anything, you work at Citizen's Energy.

One that confounds good and evil is an enemy to good.
Edmund Burke

Citizen Energy is a "boondoggle" for poor and elderly citizens. The more you speak the more ignorant you become. Slander the Kennedys.

The head of a typical public company made $9.6 million in 2011, according to an analysis by The Associated Press using data from Equilar, an executive pay research firm.

As of 2010, Kennedy's CEO salary was $596,988 per year.

Citizen's Energy is a boondoggle for the Kennedy clan...not the poor or the elderly! The Kennedy's say nice things about Hugo Chavez and he gives them oil at a cut rate price. Running Citizen's Energy is something that is passed around the Kennedy clan like it's a trust fund. Couldn't get elected to public office because you're embroiled in a sex scandal? No problem! If you're a Kennedy you can work at Citizen's and make a six figure salary and never break a sweat. It's not like you're going to get fired if you take a month off to ski in Aspen or hang out in Palm Springs! You've got the ultimate prize...a no show job for big bucks. Executives in a typical public company put in long hours because if they don't they'll be replaced. Kennedy's don't get fired from Citizen's Energy because they ARE Citizen's Energy. Joe Kennedy pulls down that $600,000 a year salary and has plenty of time to enjoy the finer things in life because he doesn't really do anything at Citizen's.
The head of a typical public company works long hours for their money and if they aren't successful they are let go. Being the head of Citizen's Energy means that you work pretty much when you feel like it and the job is yours until you want to pursue something else.

You are making this shit up. You don't work at Citizen's Energy, so you are relying on your hatred and slander of the Kennedy's to fuel your ignorant rants.

Are you SAYING Citizens Energy doesn't help hundreds of thousands of poor and elderly citizens?