Our 'Friends' The Saudis

[dilloduck]

So, why was the area anti-American in the 1930's and before?

http://www.historycooperative.org/c...ooperative.org/journals/jah/89.2/makdisi.html

It's subscription, but I'm sure you can find others.

Of course Muslims hate Christians but when Christians support Jews in an area that they believe was wrongly taken you certainly exacerbate the hatred. You can't take Israel completely out of the equation and just call them the excuse-de-jour.

 

[Gunny]

Of course Muslims hate Christians but when Christians support Jews in an area that they believe was wrongly taken you certainly exacerbate the hatred. You can't take Israel completely out of the equation and just call them the excuse-de-jour.

In the greater scheme of things, Israel IS the excuse-du-jour.

 

[Annie]

Of course Muslims hate Christians but when Christians support Jews in an area that they believe was wrongly taken you certainly exacerbate the hatred. You can't take Israel completely out of the equation and just call them the excuse-de-jour.

I didn't take them out of the equation. I asked:

Originally Posted by Kathianne
In your opinion, if we hadn't armed Israel, never cooperated with them, do you think today would be different in the US regarding the jihadis?

IMO, no, we would still be where we are. They want to eradicate Israel, but the 'great Satan' is the US and it's not about Israel.

Are you taking lessons on diversions?

 

[dilloduck]

I didn't take them out of the equation. I asked:

Are you taking lessons on diversions?

Originally Posted by Kathianne
In your opinion, if we hadn't armed Israel, never cooperated with them, do you think today would be different in the US regarding the jihadis?

IMO, no, we would still be where we are. They want to eradicate Israel, but the 'great Satan' is the US and it's not about Israel.

my bolding and sizing

 

[theHawk]

In your opinion, if we hadn't armed Israel, never cooperated with them, do you think today would be different in the US regarding the jihadis?

Of course today would be different if we hadn't armed Israel. Not saying we wouldn't have problems with Muslims but it wouldn't be near the problem it is today.

But it doesn't matter. We have been supporting Israel and nothing can change that. And I doubt we will stop supporting Israel.

 

[Annie]

my bolding and sizing

Yeah, again inferences. It's not the root or main cause. I'm sure I don't need to remind you of Tripoli.

 

[Annie]

Of course today would be different if we hadn't armed Israel. Not saying we wouldn't have problems with Muslims but it wouldn't be near the problem it is today.

But it doesn't matter. We have been supporting Israel and nothing can change that. And I doubt we will stop supporting Israel.

I disagree.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I disagree.

So you believe arming israel to this extent has done 'what' to the situation? Had no impact? That's an interesting p.o.v.

 

[Annie]

So you believe arming israel to this extent has done 'what' to the situation? Had no impact? That's an interesting p.o.v.

At the most, dragged out the attacks on US.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

At the most, dragged out the attacks on US.

By "dragged out" do you mean "caused entirely"?

 

[Annie]

By "dragged out" do you mean "caused entirely"?

No, I mean delayed.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, I mean delayed.

So arming israel delayed their attacks on us? How?

 

[Annie]

So arming israel delayed their attacks on us? How?

They have to go through Israel to get to us. We provided the straw man.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

They have to go through Israel to get to us. We provided the straw man.

No they don't. You can take planes to the u.s. from many locations in the ME without going through israel.

I think a more likely scenario is that our arming of Israel has resulted in a much more militant and radicalized Islamic world.

 

[dilloduck]

No they don't. You can take planes to the u.s. from many locations in the ME without going through israel.

I think a more likely scenario is that our arming of Israel has resulted in a much more militant and radicalized Islamic world.

The UN formed Israel--now the has assumed the sole responsibilty for protecting it.

 

[Annie]

No they don't. You can take planes to the u.s. from many locations in the ME without going through israel.

I think a more likely scenario is that our arming of Israel has resulted in a much more militant and radicalized Islamic world.

The reason I mostly ignor you. I am well aware you knew what I meant and purposely misrepresent it. I don't hate you Jason, but with posts like this, I will ignore you.

 

[dilloduck]

They have to go through Israel to get to us. We provided the straw man.

We created Israel as a strawman buffer between radical islam and the US ?
Does Israel know this?

 

[Annie]

We created Israel as a strawman buffer between radical islam and the US ?
Does Israel know this?

Yes. It happened over time. Israel gets to fight first. That's what we get for our bucks.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes. It happened over time. Israel gets to fight first. That's what we get for our bucks.

Well that plan got shot all to hell on 9/11.

 

[Annie]

Well that plan got shot all to hell on 9/11.

but has been redeemed in the past 3 weeks or so.