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W's no Socialist, he's a tool.ThomasPaine said:He's A) Christian B) A capitalist C) A Republican.
Max you've GOT to put down the crack pipe sometimes before you post nonsense.
It certainly is a socialist program. One of many.manu1959 said:publicly funded education is socialist? i thought all americans had a "right" to an education.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy02/browse.htmlwhat expenditures did bush approve in the 9 months prior to 9/11
I don't belive so, no.question about clinton finances.....did they book the actual or future cost savings of closing the military bases and corrosponding military savings?
Yes it does.GunnyL said:1. Christianity does not advocate slavery.
The establishment clause certainly is there.2. The only part of the Constitution I'm missing is the part you read into it that ISN'T THERE.
archangel said:I knew right after I hit the post button...oh shit! now I will have to deal with Mr.Congeniality non other than Clay the magnificient...well shit clay how should I know...just a guess... and left it up to Max to explain...however he said I was not civil enough even though he told me "STFU" on a previous post..
So may I suggest you ask max...he seems to claim to have all the answers...!
So?ThomasPaine said:He's A) Christian
To an extent. He's also quite the socialist.B) A capitalist
So? He's still a socialist.C) A Republican.
LuvRPgrl said:The percentage of the GDP that Bush's budget is, is not as high as the spending of some other administrations.
I make more money than some ULTRA rich people from the 1800's made, does that mean Im "richer" than they were? no.
Max Power said:
The ClayTaurus said:That's obviously referring to the same story that's a year old. More stretching. And there's a big difference between the color of napkins, and prohibitting what colors a student can wear.
LuvRPgrl said:I also noticed in the lead post in this thread that "opposing" wearing green and red became "banned" wearing green and red. They certainly are NOT the same thing.
I think Maxi would however, if given conflicting reports, immediately assume Oreilly to be lying and anyone else to be telling the truth. sad
The ClayTaurus said:Luv, O'Reilly's been busted multiple times for this particular topic. He actually been using a very Michael Moore-esque technique, where he's probably never outright lying, but being dishonest all over the place. Does that mean his subject material isn't necessarily true? No, but it certainly does very little to help the cause, besides misinforming people.
Max Power said:Yes it does.
You would be incorrect.
The establishment clause certainly is there.
archangel said:it was my best guess...research not completed...however most found were Jewish....starting with the ACLU president Nadine Strossen and working down state by state.. (Nadines father was one half Jewish holcaust survivor) Her husband is also Jewish..and a professor at Columbia University...Eli M. Noam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Strossen
working on research using www.answers.com searching list of jewish attorneys aclu..jewish-american political figures...also using wikipedia links...very interesting!
LuvRPgrl said:Clay, give him some time to find his resources.
Often I will say something based on information I have gathered over a long period of time and dont have the resources at my fingertips. When asked for links or proof, if I dont produce them within, err, say, 15 seconds, the opponent declares victory. It really is a sign they are scared, kinda like not wanting the other team to show up when you know if they do, your in for an asskicking , not your specifically clay, just give him time.
LuvRPgrl said:Clay, give him some time to find his resources.
Often I will say something based on information I have gathered over a long period of time and dont have the resources at my fingertips. When asked for links or proof, if I dont produce them within, err, say, 15 seconds, the opponent declares victory. It really is a sign they are scared, kinda like not wanting the other team to show up when you know if they do, your in for an asskicking , not your specifically clay, just give him time.
Max Power said:Yes it does.
The establishment clause certainly is there.
The ClayTaurus said:If you aren't capable of backing up what you say, then don't say it. I'm sick of people dropping knowledge like it is fact, and then when asked for proof they don't have any. Like we should all assume that anything anyone on the internet says is true automatically. Perhaps if you had a history of constantly being honest, I could cut you some slack. I promise we won't die waiting the day or two it takes for you to find whatever proof you want and then posting. It's very easy.
Make sure you're clear on what I'm declaring victory on. It's not the issue - it's the particular debate. We can debate about the sky being blue, but if you tell me the sky is blue because blueberries emit blue light and color the sky, well, you've lost the debate.
Kathianne said:What is the point of using a closed thread onto another thread? You want this one shut down also?
The ClayTaurus said:If you aren't capable of backing up what you say, then don't say it. I'm sick of people dropping knowledge like it is fact, and then when asked for proof they don't have any. Like we should all assume that anything anyone on the internet says is true automatically. Perhaps if you had a history of constantly being honest, I could cut you some slack. I promise we won't die waiting the day or two it takes for you to find whatever proof you want and then posting. It's very easy.
Make sure you're clear on what I'm declaring victory on. It's not the issue - it's the particular debate. We can debate about the sky being blue, but if you tell me the sky is blue because blueberries emit blue light and color the sky, well, you've lost the debate.
LuvRPgrl said:Give time my son.
I have built up a network of trustworthy sources that HAVE NEVER GIVEN ME FALSE INFORMATION ONCE.
I often hear info on the radio and dont have time to find it online before I post it.
If you can go do a google on my nic, you can find any postings,, anywhere I have ever done. If you can find one, two or three posts where I have posted information that is blatantly wrong, and I mean INFORMATION, then you have a gripe.
I even got into it with one guy about Kerry and Kennedy not giving back their tax cuts. He called me a liar. I wound up proving it, but it took a LONG time to find the right info. I had heard that fact on the radio. I simply dont have time to research every little bit of info. Sometimes you just have to trust people. And learn which people to trust.
When some have the habit of twisting things, like Christianity supports slavery, and you know DAMN well that the person is distorting things to make Christianity look bad, then you dont use them as a credible source.
Now, if you can find that pattern from me or the person who stated the ACLU is mostly non practicing Jews, then you have a legitimate beef.
My experiene has been the same as his, that most ACLU lawyers are non practicing Jews, but that is antedotal. I will give him time to produce his figures.
By the way, I asked my 10 year old daughter about her science class. They are learning about photosynthesis. I asked if they ever talk about non science stuff.
She said, yea, sometimes. The teacher (miss page) will talk about her personal life, or political stuff.
I asked if she always brings it up to talk about it in terms of science or is it just a periphrial discussion (I had to explain to her what that is)
she said, both. Sometimes we wind up talking about the "thing" as part of our science class, and other times we just talk about other things and dont talk about science at all for the rest of the class.
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