Opposing Point of View

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    Has any opinion, issue or statement voiced to any of you from the opposing point of view, ever had any impact whatsoever in swaying you to that opposing point of view? If so, what?

    If either party is never impacted by the other party, then why waste so much time discussing/debating anything? It all turns into mindless shouting and rhetoric spewing...

    Foolhardy for Democrats to try to change the negatives of the Republican party. Equally foolhardy for the Republicans to try to change the negatives of the Democrat party.

    Both sides may be talking, but neither side is listening...
     
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    I wouldn't say neither side is listening. I doubt that conservatives, true conservatives, would have supported some of Bush's "compassion" agenda items if they hadn't been listening that this is what the majority of their constituents want. I doubt that democrats would really have passed the Iraq war measure if they didn't think that's what their constituents wanted.

    People listen...
     
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    Listen up...
    You missed the point...

    The question is, are you ever swayed by the opposing point of view?
     
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    Listen up...
    Seems as if your question was directly responded to. Try being a bit more clear on exactly what you're asking. You ended your post with "Both sides may be talking, but neither side is listening..." and that point was also directly addressed by Moi.
     
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    Yes. I used to be very strongly opposed to gay marriage. I know think that government should have no say in who gets married. I also used to be for affirmative action. I am very much opposed to it now.

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    Listen up...

    The Question was clear. It asked "Has any opinion, issue or statement voiced to any of you from the opposing point of view, ever had any impact whatsoever in swaying you to that opposing point of view? If so, what?".

    If you read the post by Moi, you'll see that he said that the Democrats listen to their own constituents, and the Republicans listen to their constituents.
    That misses the mark.

    The issue is do you as a Democrats ever listen to and are impacted by a Republican point of view, or do you as a Republicans ever listen to and are impacted by a Democrat point of view. If neither side ever impacts the other, then they just spewing party rhetoric trash at each other, for no reason.
     
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    As was Moi's post in reference to the point you attempted to make. Why don't you just respond with "that's not exactly what I was looking for" instead of sounding like a pompous ass with your "listen up" crap.
     
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    Constituents are of both parties. Once a leader is elected, she/he is sworn to uphold the views of ALL their constituents not just those that are of the same political party as themselves. The examples I have already given are proof enough that republicans do listen to democrats and that democrats do listen to republicans.

    And, by the way Mr. Quick Trigger-Finger, you asked 3 questions. I responded to your third: "If either party is never impacted by the other party, then why waste so much time discussing/debating anything?"

    I certainly am under no constraints to answer every one of your questions.
     
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    If it is the TRUTH. For example, look in the "Kerrys 4 months! military service" thread. I acknowledged Kerry's Vietnam service as being more than 4 months when that was pointed out to me and I gave him credit for it. However I am still wondering about other important things with regard to his service and gave you some factual material.

    In the "Dirty Campaigning" thread I asked you to prove my statements wrong if you could. Evidently you couldn't and you resorted to dancing around the issues and personal attack. However I am still


    <<<<<<< LISTENING >>>>>>>>>


    Although so far, in terms of PROOF and TRUTH on the issues, all I have heard from you is

    <<<<< THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE >>>>>


    other than your whininess :wtf:
     
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    Let me speak as a recovering rabid socialist. In my foolish youth, I let idealism form my political beliefs. If I read or heard something that supported my view of the world, I incorporated that as added proof that I was right. That is inferential reasoning. When I argued with conservatives, who were people in a different click who I felt looked down upon by, I just thought they were brainwashed and didn't see the big picture. I didn't consider where they were coming from. That is arrogance.

    Luckily, I did learn about debate. Unfortunately, I thought the lesson was that you could come up for proof for anything. Later, I learned some sources are more reliable than others. In debate, it was about winning, so you don't care about the source as long as it supports you want it to. In the battlefield of ideas, it is about being right, so it is very important to consider the validity of "proof".

    Later, I had a good friend who was a Republican. He wasn't socially conservative, but he believed in small government, cutting social spending, and other "evil conservative" ideas. We would often get into arguments, which was good because I didn't have any other friends who enjoyed political discussions. We almost always disagreed. However, a few days later I would think about his arguments and find that they made a lot of sense. After a couple of years, I found that my views were becoming more conservative because it made more sense.

    Through the years, I learned more about economics. The more I learned about economics, the more conservative fiscal policy made sense.

    After 9/11, I learned that evil truly exists. Good and evil cannot exist in the same space. This changed my world view. I went from being unsure about George W. Bush to being a staunch supporter after witnessing how he handled the aftermath.

    After I had a child, I found that my personal morality was lacking. I listened to people who I before thought were "holier than thou". They began to make sense. I realized we must improve ourselves to be the best possible example to our children.

    So, yes, I was swayed by the "dark side". However I see it as growing and improving my mind. The more I learn, the more I can piece together to find The Big Truth. I have learned to rely on deductive reasoning removed from emotion. I am guided by what is, not what I want to be true or what I fear to be true.

    I will not be swayed back, though. You see, I have already been over every argument that a liberal could possibly think of. I used to believe it. I now know it is a bunch of nonsense. It is harmful to me, my family, and my country. I will fight to the death do defend your right to believe and say it, but I will pray that you will begin to use the divine gift of reason someday.
     

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