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Obama turned around one of the worst economic situations in American history.
What are you calling out?
What are you calling out?
What are you calling out?
Considering the FACTS, this was no mickey mouse job. Therefore why the t-shirt?
Racism.
Victim? That would be you. You pass off your failures on blacks. Just like you falsely blame Obama while giving Trump credit for doing nothing but riding what Obama created. But don't worry we are about to see what Trumps policies will do.
This is the race and racism section. Race will be an issue in this section. So just stop crying because whites don't get to blast blacks freely anymore.
You are ridiculous. So because you believe Obama did a good job as president, everyone else must believe the same. If someone does not, the only reason must be racism.
Now, if you think that HereWeGoAgain is racist based on other posts, that's something different. But if you are saying someone cannot believe Obama was a bad president unless they are a racist, you are simply expecting racism and deciding it is there regardless of the evidence.
I say here we go is racist because of racism he displayed long before this t-shirt shit. You made a ridiculous assumption. Now as you are white you have not seen all the different ways racism manifests itself. But you want to argue how things cannot be so based on your lack of knowledge. No one expects racism. And you saying that was so fucking insulting but you can't help it.
"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”
White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."
Dr. Robin DiAngelo
1. I said that if your claim of racism on HereWeGoAgain's part is based on past interaction, that is a different thing. What you posted here did not indicate that
2. I never said anything about how "things cannot be so." What I did was ask you to explain how a shirt showing Obama with Mickey Mouse ears is racist, and point out that if you cannot explain it, it would indicate that you are seeing racism without evidence of it
3. You assume you know my race
4. You have claimed that the shirt is "plainly racist," but have yet to explain why that is. You have indicated that because you believe Obama's presidency was a good one, that anyone who believes otherwise must hold that belief because of racism. If you want ridiculous assumptions, look to your own posts.
No I will look at yours. Because the racism on that t-shirt is self explanatory. And like I said, when you look at the facts of the Obama presidency, you see he did a great job not a mickey mouse job no matter if you disagree. So as you look at the facts there is only one reason to conclude Obamas presidency was mickey mouse while praising Trump for doing nothing. Racism. Now that's what I said and it is based upon the facts of his presidency not what I just chose to think.
It's funny how you say the racism of the shirt is self-explanatory, yet you cannot explain it.
Again, disagreements about policy or political ideology do not equal racism. Someone who supports Trump and did not support Obama is not automatically racist. That is your own inability to look at anything without assuming it involves racism.
For shits and giggles, how about we look at some facts about Obama's presidency. During Obama's presidency, the US remained at war in Iraq for years, despite getting troops out of Iraq being one of Obama's campaign issues. During Obama's presidency, various aspects of the Patriot Act, such as roving wiretaps, were renewed. During Obama's presidency, the US remained at war in Afghanistan. During Obama's presidency, the US dropped tens of thousands of bombs in Iraq and Syria. During Obama's presidency, the ACA was passed, with the horrible individual mandate. During Obama's presidency, the national debt almost doubled from approximately $10 trillion to $19.5 trillion.
Those are not all solely due to Obama, but each of them are things I consider bad governance, and none has a thing to do with anyone's race. Clearly there are things that can be pointed to about Obama's administration, or any presidential administration, which might be considered bad. That you look at the facts and see Obama's presidency as a success does not make it anything other than your opinion; whether a presidency is a success is subjective.
To look at it another way, do you think that someone who describes Trump's presidency as terrible is doing so because they are racist?
I really don't think you want to talk about the Obama presidency. Your post in that regard is very shallow and lacks real recognition to everything that happened during his presidency that allowed me to come to the conclusion I did. In these places whites always try making totally stupid comments to dismiss why we see things as racist. All you want to do is lecture me about how things I claim can't be racist from the perspective of a white person who has not ever faced a second of racism to know how it starts or how many ways it is done.
So I am going to post this again and I hope you read it and then ask yourself these questions:
How much real thought have you ever given the issue of race/racism?
How much introspection have to done yourself on your real thoughts about race/racism?
How much complex study and research have you ever done on the issues of race/ racism?
I'm not asking you to give me any answers. I am asking that you begin thinking before you decide to argue about how something is not racist in your opinion as a white person.
"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”
White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."